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Where do you live that they have places like this? That sounds like a nice deal

Actually, everything is a rip-off where I live. $40 for most G5s is typical in a lot of areas, but that's an amazing price for where I am. Usually a PowerMac G5 goes for $80-115 in my area, with Quad-core ones going for around $200+. It was cheap because this guy had them in bulk; he had purchased them from e-waste "recyclers".

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I asked you to provide specific examples of issues regarding current (defined as any version of Windows in mainstream support) versions of Windows. You have failed to do so. All you have provided is vague commentary regarding version of Windows prior to Windows XP...itself a thirteen year old, unsupported operating system.

If you've got specific issues with current versions of Windows I'd be happy to discuss them. Until such time the only conclusion I'm left with is your complete and utter lack of understanding regarding Windows. Any such comments you make regarding it will be summarily dismissed. And finally if you don't want to be treated like a five year old then don't act like one. I've attempted to engage you in a sensible discussion and so far you have failed to take me up on that offer.

I originally discussed valid information that is true with pretty much ALL Windows operating systems. I thought YOU would be sensible and listen to it, but instead you decided that it wasn't worth reading any further. Not sure how I have failed at that, and I am not sure why you believe I have zero knowledge of Windows, considering I did a massive overhaul of about 20 Windows PCs. I've waste more hours on this cr*ppy operating system than I can recollect.
 
Ok... So I did what you said and still the same old ?folder then finder folder. Then it boots up OS X 10.4. I think I'm going to pull the plug out on that hdd and let it force boot from the disk and install 10.5.8 on my 2.7tb hdd, like I wanted to.

You may want to check the type (DVD-R versus DVD+R) of DVD you're using. I seem to recall Apple only supported one type of DVD media in the earlier Macs. I have some Apple branded DVD's which are of type -R so that may be the supported. Regardless if you're currently using one type you may try using the other type.

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I originally discussed valid information that is true with pretty much ALL Windows operating systems. I thought YOU would be sensible and listen to it, but instead you decided that it wasn't worth reading any further. Not sure how I have failed at that, and I am not sure why you believe I have zero knowledge of Windows, considering I did a massive overhaul of about 20 Windows PCs. I've waste more hours on this cr*ppy operating system than I can recollect.

I have yet to see any specific information. Yes, I did read the rest of your post (you didn't really think I had not did you?) and it was exactly what I suggested in my response to you.

Here, I'll play along:

"For one, it is no question that Windows is easily penetrated by viruses."

I am absolutely questioning this. How is Windows "easily penetrated by viruses" (you're not going to go all pedantic and start arguing virus versus worms versus trojans are you)? Be sure your examples are of architectural / design flaws and not merely based on a bug.

"You could argue that that is true because more are made for Windows, but its level of security is low."

Specifically how is its security low? Please provide details on why you believe its security is low.

"(in fact, there was this trick with XP and older where you could easily log onto the system without a password. I need to ask my brother how he did that, but it was a loophole so stupid on MS's part)"

And here we have you using examples you have no first hand knowledge with regarding operating systems which are at least thirteen years old and no longer supported by Microsoft. I assume you wouldn't want me stating the Mac is unstable because Mac OS lacks a proper memory manager thus making the system unstable (lack of memory protection) and forcing one to manually allocate memory to applications would you?

I really have a problem with the "and older" portion of your comments. Earlier consumer versions of Windows are completely different than those currently available today. Your "easily log onto the system without a password" comment applies to those earlier versions. The trick? Select "Cancel" in the login dialog...not hard to do at all. But then you're referring to versions of the OS which lack built in security. Essentially the password dialog was primarily used to obtain the users password so the OS could connect to shared resources. It was not intended to prevent a user from using the system.

There are two code lines to Windows. The DOS based versions and the NT based versions. In fact one can think of the DOS based versions as analogous to Mac OS and the NT based systems as analogous to OS X. Starting with Windows 3.0 the DOS based versions are:

Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1 (and all the 3.11 varients)
Windows 95
Windows 98/98SE
Windows Millenium

These versions were flaky and did not have a proper security model. Thus making them very insecure. As for the NT based versions they are:

Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 3.5/3.51
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8/8.1
Windows 10 Preview

These versions of Windows were built from the ground up as proper operating systems with a proper security model. They do not suffer the same issues the DOS based versions do. From reading your issues it appears you're using examples from the DOS based versions.

"Windows LOVES to continue to store your passwords in PLAIN SITE in a random file, whereas MacOSX encrypts passwords."

I'd like you to provide a specific example of this. I have some ideas what you may be thinking here but I'd prefer you tell me instead of my guessing. Seems reasonable...right?

"As for Windows, simply browsing the web can do harm."

As can happen in Mac OS and OS X.

"Another example is that Windows allows applications to modify system files and registry, while MacOS does not."

Yes, applications can modify the system files and registry if they have the appropriate permissions (you are aware each key in the registry is protected by an ACL and therefore a user needs the appropriate permission to work with it aren't you?) to do so. Just as they can in Mac OS and OS X. There is no difference here. If you feel there is please provide specifics.



Again: If you want to provide some specific, sensible examples from a current (being defined as any consumer version of Windows currently in mainstream support) I'd be happy to discuss them with you. Until such time I have no choice but to conclude you're merely regurgitating what you've read / heard ("I need to ask my brother how he did that") elsewhere.
 
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You may want to check the type (DVD-R versus DVD+R) of DVD you're using. I seem to recall Apple only supported one type of DVD media in the earlier Macs. I have some Apple branded DVD's which are of type -R so that may be the supported. Regardless if you're currently using one type you may try using the other type.

I'm using Memorex DVD-R with 16x burning speed, 4.7GB, and 120 minutes of movie capacity.

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Actually, everything is a rip-off where I live. $40 for most G5s is typical in a lot of areas, but that's an amazing price for where I am. Usually a PowerMac G5 goes for $80-115 in my area, with Quad-core ones going for around $200+. It was cheap because this guy had them in bulk; he had purchased them from e-waste "recyclers".

Ah ok... Thank you!

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so upon unplugging the old hard drive and leaving the new one installed as well as booting with the disk in the drive, i'm stuck with it flashing the ?Folder and FinderFolder. Idk what I'm doing wrong...
 
Specifically which model are you experiencing the issue with?

huh? Im buring a DMG to this disk using the instructions given by BunnSpecial on my MBP with those disks. I'm then inserting that disk into my PowerMac and attempting to boot off of it, that way i can run the disk utility and install a backup of a freshly installed Leopard powermac onto my new HDD. However, it wont let me boot from CD, regardless of what I try. Currently I'm in open firmware and attempting to boot it by selecting the CD Drive, to no avail.

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everything that i put in that has to do with the cd drive says LOAD-SIZE is too small
 
huh? Im buring a DMG to this disk using the instructions given by BunnSpecial on my MBP with those disks. I'm then inserting that disk into my PowerMac and attempting to boot off of it, that way i can run the disk utility and install a backup of a freshly installed Leopard powermac onto my new HDD. However, it wont let me boot from CD, regardless of what I try. Currently I'm in open firmware and attempting to boot it by selecting the CD Drive, to no avail.

Specifically which PowerMac are you inserting the disc into?
 
I can think of a couple of things that could be going wrong. None of these are a guarantee-just a couple of thoughts off the top of my head.

First of all, when you burn the DVD, I'd suggest putting your MBP on a table other solid surface and leaving it undisturbed through the duration of the burn. I've ruined more than a couple DVDs(especially DLs) by inadvertently picking up my MBP while it was burning-especially if the case is "squeezed" anywhere near the optical drive. You may also want to slow down the burn speed a little bit.

You could also be dealing with a dirty or bad optical drive in your G5. Cleaning disks for optical drives do exist, and I've revived more than one "touchy" drive by using one of these. If the drive is bad, you need another PATA/IDE drive to replace it. Pretty much any IDE drive should work, although you may find that you need to remove the front of the tray(a minor operation) to get it to open and close correctly in the G5 case.

With the disk in the optical drive, what happens if you boot into boot manager(hold down "option" while starting)? Does the OS X disk appear as one of the boot options there?
 
I can think of a couple of things that could be going wrong. None of these are a guarantee-just a couple of thoughts off the top of my head.

First of all, when you burn the DVD, I'd suggest putting your MBP on a table other solid surface and leaving it undisturbed through the duration of the burn. I've ruined more than a couple DVDs(especially DLs) by inadvertently picking up my MBP while it was burning-especially if the case is "squeezed" anywhere near the optical drive. You may also want to slow down the burn speed a little bit.

You could also be dealing with a dirty or bad optical drive in your G5. Cleaning disks for optical drives do exist, and I've revived more than one "touchy" drive by using one of these. If the drive is bad, you need another PATA/IDE drive to replace it. Pretty much any IDE drive should work, although you may find that you need to remove the front of the tray(a minor operation) to get it to open and close correctly in the G5 case.

With the disk in the optical drive, what happens if you boot into boot manager(hold down "option" while starting)? Does the OS X disk appear as one of the boot options there?

1. My macbook is on a solid and steady surface, and is not being used. I've learned my lesson from moving it with a disk in it, lol.

2. I do believe there is something wrong with the optical drive because it has a huge amount of trouble opening. Half the time i need to hold down the door in order for it to open, and the disks get jammed 1/2 the time.

3. With the disk in the drive, while on OS X it shows up and can be used. However, while using the boot select (option) it only shows the OS X disk, not the CD Drive. Even when I have the main HDD not plugged in, it doesn't show up. If i just let it boot, it gets stuck at the no OS found screen (flashing ?folder and FinderFolder). If i press c while the hdd is connected, it flashes the no os found once and then continues to boot OS X off the HDD.
 
It sounds to me as if you have somehow damaged the disk image you are burning to disk. Both OSX and OS9 need to be in a blessed state to be bootable. With earlier releases of OSX just opening the image before burning was enough to unbless the image such as to create an unbootable, if readable, disk.

The only way to check if the issue is with your optical drive is to test with a pressed version of Leopard. If that won't show on the OF bootable drive screen then you can narrow down the issue to hardware. If you can hear the optical drive spinning up with your burnt disk inside only for it to stop and show just your HDD in the OF bootable drive screen, then the problem is likely with your Leopard image.
 
It sounds to me as if you have somehow damaged the disk image you are burning to disk. Both OSX and OS9 need to be in a blessed state to be bootable. With earlier releases of OSX just opening the image before burning was enough to unbless the image such as to create an unbootable, if readable, disk.

The only way to check if the issue is with your optical drive is to test with a pressed version of Leopard. If that won't show on the OF bootable drive screen then you can narrow down the issue to hardware. If you can hear the optical drive spinning up with your burnt disk inside only for it to stop and show just your HDD in the OF bootable drive screen, then the problem is likely with your Leopard image.

I appreciate your help, but I'm only 14, lol... I going to have a really hard time trying to follow those instructions, but thanks anyway!
 
so here is a little update...

Google chrome was downloading the OS X 10.4 install dvd and changing the file type. It was supposed to be a .ISO, but it was downloading it as a .dmg. Anyway, even after making another disk with it being .ISO didnt make a difference, so I'm going to use a SATA to USB cable and format it with my MacBook Pro and restore the backup of 10.6.8 to the new 2.7 TB HDD using the wire and Disk Utility. Then it should work once I put it in and select it as my new boot drive. If I'm wrong about this, please, someone correct me. I will attempt to do this later today once I get home and if I get the cable from my tech coordinator.
 
so here is a little update...

Google chrome was downloading the OS X 10.4 install dvd and changing the file type. It was supposed to be a .ISO, but it was downloading it as a .dmg. Anyway, even after making another disk with it being .ISO didnt make a difference, so I'm going to use a SATA to USB cable and format it with my MacBook Pro and restore the backup of 10.6.8 to the new 2.7 TB HDD using the wire and Disk Utility. Then it should work once I put it in and select it as my new boot drive. If I'm wrong about this, please, someone correct me. I will attempt to do this later today once I get home and if I get the cable from my tech coordinator.



You can restore a .dmg to a flash drive or other bootable media.
 
so here is a little update...

Google chrome was downloading the OS X 10.4 install dvd and changing the file type. It was supposed to be a .ISO, but it was downloading it as a .dmg. Anyway, even after making another disk with it being .ISO didnt make a difference, so I'm going to use a SATA to USB cable and format it with my MacBook Pro and restore the backup of 10.6.8 to the new 2.7 TB HDD using the wire and Disk Utility. Then it should work once I put it in and select it as my new boot drive. If I'm wrong about this, please, someone correct me. I will attempt to do this later today once I get home and if I get the cable from my tech coordinator.

10.6.8 will not be bootable on a G5.

10.5.8 is the maximum version of OS X any PowerPC computer is capable of running.
 
10.6.8 will not be bootable on a G5.

10.5.8 is the maximum version of OS X any PowerPC computer is capable of running.

That's what I meant, sorry

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Ok... So I'm trying to restore the backup's DMG to my HDD, and it keeps giving me an error. It says: Restore Failure- Source volume is read-write and cannot be unmounted, so it can't be block copied. Any ideas?
 
come on, no one knows what's wrong? This is extremely annoying just to update my mac. I've done everything, I've reverted it back to when i first downloaded it, i tried to follow similar errors fixes, it's no use... i just can't figure out why it won't work.:mad::mad::mad:
 
come on, no one knows what's wrong? This is extremely annoying just to update my mac. I've done everything, I've reverted it back to when i first downloaded it, i tried to follow similar errors fixes, it's no use... i just can't figure out why it won't work.:mad::mad::mad:


Can you get your hands on a different image?
 
I think that your tech coordinator did not properly rip the image for you. Just for clarification, this is a rip of a Leopard DVD right?

It's leopard, but it is basically a clone the computer. He did a clean install of Leopard and then just cloned the files and sent them to me on drop box.
 
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