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If you want to stick to this point, having ignored my apology...

Sorry mkrishnan I haven't ignored your apology (and my post wasn't aimed at you). I just didn't think it was necessary to post an acceptance, as I knew you're not really the kind of person who would judge people by appearance only...
:)
 
the power of macrumors: someone local from everywhere :)
anyways, you (or the papers) have your numbers wrong, and not by little.
i wouldn't argue that the girl in question is not a bit thick-headed (;)), but 2 cm into the forehead would be basically brain surgery and you'd need a drill (and the ink would not even show on the outside :)). Even 3mm is way too deep.
maybe you/they meant 2 mm instead of the usual .3 mm?

anyway, other than the ethical aspect mentioned above, for which i can see the tattooist sharing some responsibility, i think she just making up stuff as she goes in a vain attempt to save face (;))

I just quoted the papers, which must have been wrong. The tattoo probably was too deep but not by such a large margin.

It really is a total hype over here, there even is a website called the "Kimberlizer"where people could take a pic with their webcam and have the stars automatically added. The site is down for the moment though, either because of too much traffic or legal concerns, I don't know :)

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It really is a total hype over here, there even is a website called the "Kimberlizer"where people could take a pic with their webcam and have the stars automatically added. The site is down for the moment though, either because of too much traffic or legal concerns, I don't know :)

How funny! She's become quite the star! Ooh, bad pun! :( Seriously though, she really is getting her 15 minutes of fame out of this whether she wanted the notoriety or not.
 
The funniest thing about it is that, the very morning of the appointment, we were having a conversation in pediatric neuropsychology seminar, and one of the psychologists pointed out that people can be allergic to gadolinium, the contrast agent that's used in MRIs with contrast. As much as I've been a consumer of MRI data on my patients, and as many people as I've known clinically who've had MRIs, I'd actually never heard this before.

So, I was understandably freaked out that day that I'd be allergic to the Gad.... fortunately not so much. :)

When I used to work in the local ER, we took a lady to the MRI room, pumped her full of contrast. Apparently, either the nurse that administered the contrast, or someone who planted the line before her, went through the vein in question, and the full dosage of contrast was pumped into her arm. It was the nastiest looking swelling I had ever seen. :eek:
Not really an allergic reaction (never heard that myself), but still looked pretty gruesome

Why would anyone bother getting a tattoo that is hidden away so no one else ever sees it?

Sometimes the tattoo can be seen as a form of self-expression (like mine, buster sword/a japanese word; both expressions of things i really enjoy), and not necessarily a public statement (like a bumper sticker! :) )
 
i've read a long letter from the artist on another website in which he explains (in english ad french) in detail what happened, supported by a witness and by police reports (in flemish, and so much for the "language barrier").

Linky? I'd like to read his side of the story.
 
I used to do a bit of tattooing a few years back.I am incredulous that any moron would work on a ladies face,neck or hands,that would never have happened then,or there would be consequences.


Going to sleep while working on the face,especially the face seems a bit unlikely to me also.


Apparently Belgium has a system where you have to write down what you want done so there is no misunderstanding,or so I have heard.


As for the MRI and sleeping :eek:....I had a head one just recently and damned if I could go to sleep,that banging messed me right up and I fell over after getting of the scan bed.....{no contrast}


Just curious - Do the scanners you guys use have the horrible enclosed head piece?....on TV it appears some are more like CT scanners.
 
I would think they'd all have the headpiece.

I've never had an MRI taken of me, nor have I ever seen it done to someone else, but as far as I know, the imaging procedure can last a pretty long time....maybe 10 to 15 minutes.

If you stay still, turn your head 3 mm, and continue staying still, you just messed up the image. If they're imaging your head, a head brace may be what's necessary, and if other people haven't had to use one, then too bad for them. ;)
 
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Going to sleep while working on the face,especially the face seems a bit unlikely to me also.


Apparently Belgium has a system where you have to write down what you want done so there is no misunderstanding,or so I have heard...

She didn't fell asleep but she fainted away due to the pain she got from the tattooing.

There is no such regulation in Belgium, but of coarse after this incident the government will work on a better law regarding tattoos. As for now anybody can start a shop with no skill at all. You just have to report you are opening a tattoo shop to the healt department and you can start after a couple of weeks.
This is what happened : Some Russian guy that doesn't talk Dutch arrives heren and starts a tattoo shop in one of the most commercial streets in town. That girl walks in and is not able to explain what she wants to the guy so he thinks he can do what he wants to her.
He is promising he will pay back her medical costs but my prediction is that he will close his shop within a few weeks and disappear out of the eurpean community.
 
I would think they'd all have the headpiece.

I've never had an MRI taken of me, nor have I ever seen it done to someone else, but as far as I know, the imaging procedure can last a pretty long time....maybe 10 to 15 minutes.

If you stay still, turn your head 3 mm, and continue staying still, you just messed up the image. If they're imaging your head, a head brace may be what's necessary, and if other people haven't had to use one, then too bad for them. ;)

Mine took about 40 minutes I think it was.My poor cousin {MS looking for lesions} was 30 and then back in again for 50.I dont know how she put up with it,mind you she hates them as much as I do now.


Apologies for the shocking punctuation also,is related to why I needed the scan :}
 
She didn't fell asleep but she fainted away due to the pain she got from the tattooing.

There is no such regulation in Belgium, but of coarse after this incident the government will work on a better law regarding tattoos. As for now anybody can start a shop with no skill at all. You just have to report you are opening a tattoo shop to the healt department and you can start after a couple of weeks.
This is what happened : Some Russian guy that doesn't talk Dutch arrives heren and starts a tattoo shop in one of the most commercial streets in town. That girl walks in and is not able to explain what she wants to the guy so he thinks he can do what he wants to her.
He is promising he will pay back her medical costs but my prediction is that he will close his shop within a few weeks and disappear out of the eurpean community.


I stand corrected :}


Ya no oversight is really not good within the tattoo society.I really feel there should at least be some kind of artistic knowledge testing also,not just hygiene.I saw a guy end up with a right angle triangle as the nose,for a portrait a woman did on him,simply because she was not able to render nasolabial folds {nose wings} properly.I believe there were more then a few people ended up in that boat before this woman learned to do it properly.I find that reprehensible and believe the artist should have to show a certain degree of skill before acceptance.....also look out for the apprentice and make sure you are not their first customer,and they do know what they are doing,or at a minimum they are supervised closely.


Some people even take along their own ink nowadays.
 
Reads thread, starts singing to Just Jack

"So why do you wanna go put stars in their eyes,
it's the same old story you just didn't realise.
It's a long way to come from the private bedroom dance routines,
and saturday night drunken dreams.....

So why do you wanna go put stars in their eyes? stars in their eyes..."
:)
 
She didn't fell asleep but she fainted away due to the pain she got from the tattooing.

There is no such regulation in Belgium, but of coarse after this incident the government will work on a better law regarding tattoos. As for now anybody can start a shop with no skill at all. You just have to report you are opening a tattoo shop to the healt department and you can start after a couple of weeks.
This is what happened : Some Russian guy that doesn't talk Dutch arrives heren and starts a tattoo shop in one of the most commercial streets in town. That girl walks in and is not able to explain what she wants to the guy so he thinks he can do what he wants to her.
He is promising he will pay back her medical costs but my prediction is that he will close his shop within a few weeks and disappear out of the eurpean community.

Romanian actually, so he's an EU citizen and I don't think he will leave Kortrijk any time soon, I've seen the tattoo shop, it's probably the most high tech one in town, it's huge, on a nice location on the main shopping street, big flat screen tv's etc, he obviously made quite an investment.
And I don't see why he should leave either, I believe his story much more than that of the girl. Sure he could have had better judgement and not tattoo the face of an 18 year old full of stars, but he didn't do anything illegal.
He probably should start learning Dutch though, to avoid future problems, although most of the people in Kortrijk can speak decent french as well (we're a dutch speaking town on the french border), but clearly, Kimberley couldn't.
 
:eek: @ global reach of MR - we have several people here who have seen the tat shop involved, who have perhaps met Rouslan before.


Thanks. Interesting read. Interesting comments too. Some tat artists said that Rouslan has broken with the community tradition of not giving facial tats until the person has proven themselves by having several other large tats first. He's bought the community into disrepute and opened them up to a legal crack-down.

But other tat artists say it's not Rouslan's job to second-guess his clients or to deny them what they want. As long as they are over the age of consent and not on drink or drugs, he has to treat them as any other mature adult.

Interestingly Rouslan says the girl bought her father with her, and apparently he was fully aware of what was going on (but the father left before the design and mockup phase started). And the girl was on the phone and texting right through the tat job.
 
:eek: @ global reach of MR - we have several people here who have seen the tat shop involved, who have perhaps met Rouslan before.

I have actually! It's a relatively small town and he has a face that you don't easily forget :) The tattoo shop is in the same street as our only apple reseller so obviously I need to pass by there pretty regularly ;)
 
The story reaches its conclusion!

Kimberley has admitted that she did ask for the tattoo, and got afraid when her dad dissaproved of the tattoo, so she invented the whole story about falling asleep. (here's the google translated article)

Pretty much what I (and many others) expected from the beginning.
 
Nice bit of judging a person by their appearance...
:rolleyes:

I think the girl is lying through her teeth.

A tattooist would never tattoo someone who is "asleep". It's just not worth loosing their job over....

It is perfectly acceptable to judge this person by their appearance, considering what they have done to their own body. They are not of a healthy state of mind.
 
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