I agree that people who have not seen the display should go see for themselves before passing judgment; however I disagree with your view. And I will say for those who hated the old glossy displays, you will most likely hate these new ones as much or more.
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I agree that people who have not seen the display should go see for themselves before passing judgment; however I disagree with your view. And I will say for those who hated the old glossy displays, you will most likely hate these new ones as much or more.
Er, I'm sorry, but I do believe you should read the rest of my posts in this thread before you take what I said in that specific post to heart and try to dismiss it.
I'm using an argumentation form called ad absurdium, which, unlike what most people think, is a way of telling whether an argument holds water or not. By transferring the argument more or less verbatim to another related field, I have shown it's an invalid argument because it doesn't make sense in that related field.. There is nothing "virulent" about that way of thinking. It's a classic way of checking validity of an argument.
I do believe you're shooting in the opposite direction of what is needed.
On second thought, perhaps you merely think it's "virulent" to use the word "nonsensical". If not, I apologise. But if so, it's time to grow some skin.
There's a chance you will hate the new glossy just as much as the old, but it is still worth giving it a good look. I seriously have not had any problems with glare or color at all with these new displays, and I was never a big fan of the old glossy.
Maybe I am just one of the lucky ones who got the good screen.
Oh? Does that remove the reflections from the fat black reflective bezel?
Please visit DPReview and maximize the screen. Unless you sit in a dark cave with Steve Jobs black turtleneck there is no way you can increase the brightness to make your own reflection go away.
If you look at one in the store and think it is awful, you wouldn't buy it, would you? What is your point?
Do you mean ad absurdum? And no I haven't taken anything to heart, and have fully dismissed it as misdirected anger with Apple, not me personally.
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I've seen the display multiple times and (reflections aside) I just couldn't see myself wiping fingerprints off the display after every use. I find that more distracting than the reflections. It also looks a little too simplistic in terms of a design and nothing about it really "wows" me, which is why I went ahead and ordered the last gen Macbook Pro.
I don't see Apple changing their decision on the glossy screens anytime soon, so now is the perfect time to purchase something for the long-term.
I don't see Apple changing their decision on the glossy screens anytime soon, so now is the perfect time to purchase something for the long-term.
Considering it is glass up to the edges, eventually you will inadvertently touch at least the outer edges of the screen while opening and closing it or through normal use.
Ah, yes, a spelling mistake makes all the difference to the argument
It's fun watching you, dismiss any and all arguments, this time by using conjecture, making belief the validity of an argument is based on who it's addressing.
First you don't get sarcasm at all.
Second, you insist that what I said was my opinion, and not the opposite (as is the nature of sarcasm.
Third, you entirely disregard a properly formed argument, by claiming it's wrong because it's somehow "misdirected".
Sigh …
true words.
well if I was a pro and i couldn't live with the new MBP's screen or FW port/chipset i would buy a old generation MBP matte. It's as fast as the new one and costs a lot less. It will last three years. Till then you know if apple has a future with pro notebooks or not and at the same time you can use the three yeas to move your software/hardware investments and skills to windows/vista.
i would not expect any changes in apples product strategy in the next two years. we will be stuck with these types of notebooks and ports.
i would rather prepare for the worst (leaving the platform and move to windows) and protect my investment.
even as a consumer i'm doing this. i bought an old MBP and will phase out my FW HDDs and scanner. I will not invest too much in apple software (not much money as a consumer but lots of time and work) .
I will rather use software where i can transfer data to the windows side easily (e.g. i will not make any more keynote presentations and rather use powerpoint. i have hundreds of presentations and don't want to redo them. same is true for pages and numbers documents. i also will look for a way to transfer my iphoto library into something platform independent.) if i decide to by a HD camera it still can be a FW model because currently i have a FW port. and if apple dropps FW entirely in two years i'll be able to buy a windows notebook with FW ports. usually they are flexible enough to offer BTO options like this.
I'm coming from all matte displays and love this display. I've always opted out of glossy and went with matte and loved matte. I was scared how this glassy screen was going to be with reflections, but you don't notice it at all!
I am going with this reply.
Actually never seen that term before so I was looking it up. Two different spellings offered up two different sets of results. It is an interesting form of argument. Doubt I will ever use it, but thanks for the clarification.
That post was also a bit of a test, and I got the reaction I expected from it.
Regardless our discussion has now gone completely off topic, and I fully welcome you to continue this "nonsensical" debate via PM.
That is one of my gripes about this glass screen, especially when showing someone something on this laptop, and they feel the need to touch the screen.
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Ah, yes, a spelling mistake makes all the difference to the argument
Actually never seen that term before so I was looking it up. Two different spellings offered up two different sets of results. It is an interesting form of argument. Doubt I will ever use it, but thanks for the clarification.
That post was also a bit of a test, and I got the reaction I expected from it.
Regardless our discussion has now gone completely off topic, and I fully welcome you to continue this "nonsensical" debate via PM.
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That is one of my gripes about this glass screen, especially when showing someone something on this laptop, and they feel the need to touch the screen.
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Keeping fingers crossed
I agree with you about the waiting game and that is the approach I started last year when I bought a glassy iMac. (And then a second matte LCD) It's a big reason I bought Lightroom 2 and not Aperture 2 and why I'm using the pretty awful Office 2008 over iWork so if I do get phased out as a professional I can make a fairly painless transition to whatever is available in 2010/11. (Windows 7/An actual usable version of Linux that supports Adobe products)
I can live without FW ports ONLY if we see USB 3.0 or ESATA standards soon to replace FW800 because USB is currently 1/2 as fast and you cannot daisy chain external drives with it.
The one thing I find atrocious is the move away from DVI standards without packaging an adapter with the new MBP's and charging either $30 for display port -> DVI or worse $99 for display port -> Dual Link DVI which is insane.
I agree with you about the waiting game and that is the approach I started last year when I bought a glassy iMac. (And then a second matte LCD) It's a big reason I bought Lightroom 2 and not Aperture 2 and why I'm using the pretty awful Office 2008 over iWork so if I do get phased out as a professional I can make a fairly painless transition to whatever is available in 2010/11. (Windows 7/An actual usable version of Linux that supports Adobe products)
I can live without FW ports ONLY if we see USB 3.0 or ESATA standards soon to replace FW800 because USB is currently 1/2 as fast and you cannot daisy chain external drives with it.
The one thing I find atrocious is the move away from DVI standards without packaging an adapter with the new MBP's and charging either $30 for display port -> DVI or worse $99 for display port -> Dual Link DVI which is insane.
i haven't seen those prices! wow, why is the dual link adaptor so expensive? gold wires? that's gonna piss off a lot of people who have the 30 inch screen at home. i know quite a few of them.
I did too. I went into the apple store and complained about this when I went in to purchase my Mini-DisplayPort to DVI adapter. The person helping me (Apple Store in Southdale (Edina Minesota)) sold me one for $0.30. Still not free, but definitely helped reduce some of my negative opinion on that subject.
I know it is cost saving to not supply them, however the display adapters used to be a staple for both consumer and professional Apple products.
I havent read through alot of the garble.
but fromt he imac, the screen isnt really even glossy, its coated and has a sheet of coated glass to give it a prominent look.
they have a more crt quality to them.
theyre actualyl alittle bit for brighter and vibrant then the ACD and MBP matte screen I use and theyre pretty tolerable.
the Firewire ports are backwards compatible so you can definitely get 400 or 800 within, just need an adapter, but of course its such an inconvenience for everyone
the only thing i can really agree with is the lack of included adapters, now thats just ridiculous.
if youre going to change standards, supply the proper adapters so people can use them (honestly the price of these machiens should include these adapters whether its a display adapter or dv->displayport etc, and a fw400->fw800 i mean its they least they could have done with the transition)
but fromt he imac, the screen isnt really even glossy, its coated and has a sheet of coated glass to give it a prominent look.
they have a more crt quality to them.
theyre actualyl alittle bit for brighter and vibrant then the ACD and MBP matte screen I use and theyre pretty tolerable.
the Firewire ports are backwards compatible so you can definitely get 400 or 800 within, just need an adapter, but of course its such an inconvenience for everyone
the only thing i can really agree with is the lack of included adapters, now thats just ridiculous.
if youre going to change standards, supply the proper adapters so people can use them (honestly the price of these machiens should include these adapters whether its a display adapter or dv->displayport etc, and a fw400->fw800 i mean its they least they could have done with the transition)
the thing is as a consumer i alway felt confident in apple because they provided top end products for the pros. so if i want to buy a new mac the worst thing that could happen was that i have to pay more money and get a pro product if the consumer line doesn't satisfy my needs.
now without the support for pros as a consumer i might end up in a situation where i might not get what i want regardless of price. for example if i wanted a matte screen before october i could buy a MBP for $2000 instead of a glossy MB for $1300. expensive but i get what's important to me because the pro's need it. now that's not possible anymore. and in 3 years they might not have FW anymore at all. maybe no optical drive at all anymore. maybe no pro quality movie making software (remember how they ditched imovie HD. at least you can buy FCE right now. but in a few years that might be gone).
so for a consumer the pro's are a garantee for stability and quality. that's what is worrying me.
I wanted to send you a link but I couldn't find the individual items, you have to go to the store, select the new MBP and scroll down to the multitude of adapter choices and check out the prices, it's ludicrous.
Even if you don't use it, you ought to be recognising it as a valid form of argument.
So, in other words, you couldn't argue your own case, nor had any counterarguments, but instead figured being a troll was a good idea. FiguresThat post was also a bit of a test, and I got the reaction I expected from it.
Here is the link to the mini displayport to DVI adapter
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTkzOTY4OA&p=2&s=topSellers
And to the Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTk2MTYzNA
I also read the review and appreciated both viewpoints. I really don't mind the color and might even buy the argument that glass distorts color less than a matte coated screen, but the problem for me is not so much one of taste as it is the fact that I just am very sensitive to glare.
I have ruled out the previous gen MBP based on what I know about the NVidia graphics issues so I guess I am going to wait until photodon.com comes out with their thin (0.05mm) matte screen for the new MBP. Speaking of which, I need to check that next.
i haven't been following anything about the new MBPs for a while, but hearing that they removed an option for a matte screen makes me as giddy as a little girl about having an older model
I would agree with you. I checked out both generations of MBP in the stores, each at its release. In my opinion, the new displays reflect much more than the previous gen MBP's glossy screen. Having said that, I still like the new structural design using glass for the display better. I just wish they would have offered a matte display.
Here is the link to the mini displayport to DVI adapter
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTkzOTY4OA&p=2&s=topSellers
And to the Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTk2MTYzNA
Thanks for some reason I didn't come across them. The big one that stinks is if you have a nice 30in Cinema Display you need this $99 badboy.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MTk2MTA3OQ