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There excuse to say what they developed with Google is a complete and utter lie. Android Automotive fully supports Apple Car paly and Android Auto.

Do remember Android Automotive is a different product than Android Auto. They are NOT the same thing.

This is 100% GM hoping to get get extra data and to get more money from 3rd parties. The companies that make software for Carplay and anything that integrates with cars are all pushing to get away from the manufactures SDK and wanting to with just Carplay/Android Auto.
 
There excuse to say what they developed with Google is a complete and utter lie. Android Automotive fully supports Apple Car paly and Android Auto.

Do remember Android Automotive is a different product than Android Auto. They are NOT the same thing.

This is 100% GM hoping to get get extra data and to get more money from 3rd parties. The companies that make software for Carplay and anything that integrates with cars are all pushing to get away from the manufactures SDK and wanting to with just Carplay/Android Auto.
They can only hope…

GM won’t be able to stop their downward spiral until they realize that they are not the most powerful or most desirable car company - not even near the top - and haven’t been for quite some time. They have way too much hubris and what they need is humility and a startup-like, underdog mentality.

They were given an unprecedented advantage in 2009, and they have wasted that opportunity. They are basically remaining profitable by continually slashing their expenses, not by increasing their market share - it just keeps shrinking. There’s only so far this strategy can take them.
 
This is false. iOS supports EV routing with charge state information. I use it every road trip I make with my Ford Mustang Mach-E since it was released in March 2022.

It does require the car to communicate the information to iOS. Last I checked only Ford vehicles including the Mach-E and F150 Lightning. While I couldn't find public documentation, it's clear it's not meant to be a Ford-only feature. Much like how Apple Car Keys is the implementation of the CCC Digital Key standard, I would be shocked if this feature was highly proprietary.
I also use Apple Map's EV integration in my Mach-E. However it doesn't activate on route automatic battery pre-conditioning when navigating to a public DC fast charging station. You will still need to use the built in nav to get that. Also lately the battery percentage predictions are way off after some OTA updates. Looks like Ford and Apple will need to collaborate a little better to fix these major issues, but I am glad it is there at least. I am also happy that Ford is on board with working with Apple in the future. So hopefully these issues get resolved soon.

For the un-initiated reading this post, you only need on route battery pre-conditioning in the winter. Pre-conditioning your battery ensures that it's warm enough to accept the maximum charging speeds at the DC fast charger you are heading to. I myself experienced the differences. Without a pre-conditioned battery I was only able to change at below 100 kW. With battery pre-conditioning on the same trip, I was able change to the upper 140s kW. So a sizable difference. Now given the state of the public CCS charging network, you might not get close to your car's maximum charge rate even with pre-conditioning active (*cough* Electrify America).
 
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There excuse to say what they developed with Google is a complete and utter lie. Android Automotive fully supports Apple Car paly and Android Auto.

Do remember Android Automotive is a different product than Android Auto. They are NOT the same thing.

This is 100% GM hoping to get get extra data and to get more money from 3rd parties. The companies that make software for Carplay and anything that integrates with cars are all pushing to get away from the manufactures SDK and wanting to with just Carplay/Android Auto.
I echo your sentiment. I would also like to add that the infotainment systems in Volvo's EVs are also based on Android Automotive, and they support CarPlay and Android Auto as well.
 
Except Tesla aren’t getting burned and continue to sell every car they produce… they open new factories, and then sell through that increased capacity… they open in China and sell through all of those… it’s an important feature against the bad systems present from the dawn of modern smartphones through the 10s… it’s not an important feature when someone has come along and one-upped both projection systems with one that’s faster and not phone dependent. They were always nothing more than a band-aid over other manufacturers mediocre, stagnant, borderline unusable infotainment and navigation systems. And… if you really want them, you can use them - wirelessly. It’s just not official support. So…
My dude, like a couple dozen people on this thread have given you piles of examples of reasons why a lot of us prefer projection systems, including ones that are fundamentally undoable without serious compromises with built in infotainment (like portability, or data segregation), are you just ignoring everyone because those things simply dont matter to *you*? Do you believe your specific needs are the only ones in the huge market for cars?
 
My dude, like a couple dozen people on this thread have given you piles of examples of reasons why a lot of us prefer projection systems, including ones that are fundamentally undoable without serious compromises with built in infotainment (like portability, or data segregation), are you just ignoring everyone because those things simply dont matter to *you*? Do you believe your specific needs are the only ones in the huge market for cars?

I'm ignoring them because, in regards to Tesla, they're woefully incorrect and in a negligible minority. 86% of Tesla owners... 86%... eighty-six percent... prefer Tesla's system. Are you just ignoring everyone because you've never used it and it simply doesn't matter to *you*? Do you believe your specific needs are the only ones in the market for Tesla's? Tesla's system is feature-rich, others are not. Using a projection system, due to the way you interact with a Tesla's overall functions, is dangerous.
 
I'm ignoring them because, in regards to Tesla, they're woefully incorrect and in a negligible minority. 86% of Tesla owners... 86%... eighty-six percent... prefer Tesla's system. Are you just ignoring everyone because you've never used it and it simply doesn't matter to *you*? Do you believe your specific needs are the only ones in the market for Tesla's? Tesla's system is feature-rich, others are not. Using a projection system, due to the way you interact with a Tesla's overall functions, is dangerous.
Did it ever occur to you that part of the reason for that number is that people who wanted projection just decided not to buy Teslas? I’ve used Tesla’s system, it aint for me. Lack of carplay is an instant disqualifier for me these days, and that includes Tesla

I’m not arguing everyone wants projection, I’m telling you there are fast and firm reasons why a lot of us (I’d argue the majority of the car market) do

Also just a reminder here: Tesla’s a huge component of the EV market right now, but they’re still only a relatively small portion of the overall car market
 
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Also, people drive Teslas because they wanted Teslas (and didn’t have any other choices). They made adjustments in some of their habits to drive Teslas.

There isn’t going to be such cult following for GM cars, or even Teslas for that matter now that the competition has finally arrived. I see an ever increasing number of Polestars around, for example.
 
Also, people drive Teslas because they wanted Teslas (and didn’t have any other choices). They made adjustments in some of their habits to drive Teslas.

There isn’t going to be such cult following for GM cars, or even Teslas for that matter now that the competition has finally arrived. I see an ever increasing number of Polestars around, for example.

This was exactly my original point. Tesla is a unique product. People will adjust their requirements if they really want what's arguably the best EV on the market at the moment. But as competition increases, people will weigh not having CarPlay more heavily in their buying decision.

Even if @BuffaloTF really believes that Tesla's infotainment is a better option than CarPlay, a lot of people will never get to make that same decision because they won't try it when they skip the Tesla in favor of an EV with CarPlay.
 
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I'm ignoring them because, in regards to Tesla, they're woefully incorrect and in a negligible minority. 86% of Tesla owners... 86%... eighty-six percent... prefer Tesla's system. Are you just ignoring everyone because you've never used it and it simply doesn't matter to *you*? Do you believe your specific needs are the only ones in the market for Tesla's? Tesla's system is feature-rich, others are not. Using a projection system, due to the way you interact with a Tesla's overall functions, is dangerous.
I recently drove a Tesla M3 for a week. It was mostly a good experience. Locking and unlocking the doors proved more cumbersome than on my Volt, but I eventually figured out the process.

The navigation system worked well and for any situation where I need to include charging I would probably use that. The Tesla Apple Music app was clunky and was annoying because it kept skipping songs on a playlist. I’ve heard that there are data caching issues.

Most of my driving has me listening to podcasts on Overcast on my iPhone. Doing that on CarPlay is easy and I have access to podcast chapters and to other podcasts and the CarPlay interface makes it easy to use. On the Tesla I was limited to Bluetooth and a very minimal player interface that just gave me play/pause and skip forward and back. Anything else required me to pickup my phone and use its small screen to operate. Not something I want to do while driving, even at a stoplight. Unless Tesla were to have a copy of my specific podcast app and that would sync in real time to the app on my phone, then there is a brick wall that doesn’t let me do what I need on Tesla.

When I am using navigation, most of the time the driving is local and I just need assistance finding the specific freeway exit and the turns near the destination. I may only need to charge every few days. That location information is coming from a web search on my phone, from an email on my phone, or contacts on my phone, or something else on my phone. See the pattern? Yes, I could bring up the Tesla app on the phone and paste a location there or start a new search on the car’s navigation, but I’d rather not.

I don’t want to share my contacts, my call history, my calendar, or other data from my phone to my car. It doesn’t need that information.

It’s OK if Tesla doesn’t provide all of the apps and data that I need. They should provide good software related to the operation of the vehicle and then give me a way to easily integrate the personalized data space of my phone into the car. then I will use Tesla’s apps when I need them and will use Carplay apps when I need them. This is not a pissing contest. This is about respecting your customers.

GM should learn this lesson too. Tesla may still get lots of customers. GM may still get lots of customers, buy I guarantee that they are going to get less customers than they could because they refuse to allow this kind of personalized phone integration that we need. I currently drive a Chevy Volt. It was my first Chevy and I was impressed enough that I was considering another Chevy for my next car. I would have been an easy sale compared to getting someone from outside the GM space. Now that is not going to happen. As long as GM prioritized small amounts of revenue and data collection over my needs as a customer, I will not be a customer.n I’d even accept needing to subscribe to a plan that included CarPlay but they aren’t even willing to offer that.

Tesla is also out of consideration for the same reason. If a company is going to be hostile to their customers, their potential customers can respond in kind.
 
I recently drove a Tesla M3 for a week. It was mostly a good experience. Locking and unlocking the doors proved more cumbersome than on my Volt, but I eventually figured out the process.

The navigation system worked well and for any situation where I need to include charging I would probably use that. The Tesla Apple Music app was clunky and was annoying because it kept skipping songs on a playlist. I’ve heard that there are data caching issues.

Most of my driving has me listening to podcasts on Overcast on my iPhone. Doing that on CarPlay is easy and I have access to podcast chapters and to other podcasts and the CarPlay interface makes it easy to use. On the Tesla I was limited to Bluetooth and a very minimal player interface that just gave me play/pause and skip forward and back. Anything else required me to pickup my phone and use its small screen to operate. Not something I want to do while driving, even at a stoplight. Unless Tesla were to have a copy of my specific podcast app and that would sync in real time to the app on my phone, then there is a brick wall that doesn’t let me do what I need on Tesla.

When I am using navigation, most of the time the driving is local and I just need assistance finding the specific freeway exit and the turns near the destination. I may only need to charge every few days. That location information is coming from a web search on my phone, from an email on my phone, or contacts on my phone, or something else on my phone. See the pattern? Yes, I could bring up the Tesla app on the phone and paste a location there or start a new search on the car’s navigation, but I’d rather not.

I don’t want to share my contacts, my call history, my calendar, or other data from my phone to my car. It doesn’t need that information.

It’s OK if Tesla doesn’t provide all of the apps and data that I need. They should provide good software related to the operation of the vehicle and then give me a way to easily integrate the personalized data space of my phone into the car. then I will use Tesla’s apps when I need them and will use Carplay apps when I need them. This is not a pissing contest. This is about respecting your customers.

GM should learn this lesson too. Tesla may still get lots of customers. GM may still get lots of customers, buy I guarantee that they are going to get less customers than they could because they refuse to allow this kind of personalized phone integration that we need. I currently drive a Chevy Volt. It was my first Chevy and I was impressed enough that I was considering another Chevy for my next car. I would have been an easy sale compared to getting someone from outside the GM space. Now that is not going to happen. As long as GM prioritized small amounts of revenue and data collection over my needs as a customer, I will not be a customer.n I’d even accept needing to subscribe to a plan that included CarPlay but they aren’t even willing to offer that.

Tesla is also out of consideration for the same reason. If a company is going to be hostile to their customers, their potential customers can respond in kind.

Very fair assessment. I think your real world examples are very much on point.
 
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I can agree with this. The reason that the Tesla interface is a real competitor to CarPlay is because Tesla has been doing car UI for 10+ years, with monthly updates/improvements.

I recently rented a Tesla 3 for a trip, and while there are a few things I genuinely like — including the SIZE of that screen — there were many more things I found infuriating. The map interface was very poor compared to CarPlay’s detail, and the creepyvoice kept telling me to turn far too early. I should mention I was driving around Long Island, NY — one of the wealthiest areas in the eastern US, not some no-internet small hamlet or anything.

Possibly I would have had a better experience if I had installed the iPhone app, but the whole point here should be that I don’t have to look at the phone (or, in the case of the Tesla, the on-screen only owner’s manual) to do things like unlock the truck from the driver’s seat. That was just stupid.

As for the driving experience, the Tesla 3 is not the right model for me (I’m too tall), and I wasn’t impressed with its “mileage” for an electric, but the engine was nice and responsive and the regenerative braking meant I very rarely had to use the actual brake. As I say, there are things to like (a lot) about it, but that interface is still in kindergarten compared to CarPlay.
 
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I recently rented a Tesla 3 for a trip, and while there are a few things I genuinely like — including the SIZE of that screen — there were many more things I found infuriating. The map interface was very poor compared to CarPlay’s detail, and the creepyvoice kept telling me to turn far too early. I should mention I was driving around Long Island, NY — one of the wealthiest areas in the eastern US, not some no-internet small hamlet or anything.

Possibly I would have had a better experience if I had installed the iPhone app, but the whole point here should be that I don’t have to look at the phone (or, in the case of the Tesla, the on-screen only owner’s manual) to do things like unlock the truck from the driver’s seat. That was just stupid.

As for the driving experience, the Tesla 3 is not the right model for me (I’m too tall), and I wasn’t impressed with its “mileage” for an electric, but the engine was nice and responsive and the regenerative braking meant I very rarely had to use the actual brake. As I say, there are things to like (a lot) about it, but that interface is still in kindergarten compared to CarPlay.

Tesla has been caught lying about range.

 
I recently rented a Tesla 3 for a trip, and while there are a few things I genuinely like — including the SIZE of that screen — there were many more things I found infuriating. The map interface was very poor compared to CarPlay’s detail, and the creepyvoice kept telling me to turn far too early. I should mention I was driving around Long Island, NY — one of the wealthiest areas in the eastern US, not some no-internet small hamlet or anything.

Possibly I would have had a better experience if I had installed the iPhone app, but the whole point here should be that I don’t have to look at the phone (or, in the case of the Tesla, the on-screen only owner’s manual) to do things like unlock the truck from the driver’s seat. That was just stupid.

As for the driving experience, the Tesla 3 is not the right model for me (I’m too tall), and I wasn’t impressed with its “mileage” for an electric, but the engine was nice and responsive and the regenerative braking meant I very rarely had to use the actual brake. As I say, there are things to like (a lot) about it, but that interface is still in kindergarten compared to CarPlay.
To me, CarPlay has the kindergarten interface. Tesla uses Google for the map detail, so I’m not sure how the level of detail could be any better on CarPlay. Did you use the satellite overlay. CarPlay doesn’t support satellite view, AFAIK.
 
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Everything that they have told us is not true. As noted in the article, it’s a political decision. I think that they are worried about CarPlay 2. And how it would take over all the way across the 55 inch screen. Although the CarPlay 2 is an option, you are not required to use it. You can do it the regular CarPlay way. But I do think that they are scared, They really don’t think they can do it as good as Apple can. It they want to have vehicle data in CarPlay all they have to do is write an app. The app puts the vehicle data in the iPhone. And then it would show up on Apple Maps.
You will see the way it should be done in the Lincoln navigator for 2025. Same big kind of screen, but full CarPlay support. And I believe that it will have CarPlay 2 support as well. And the Ford company is doing it right. They are not going to force you to do it one way or another. It’s up to the driver. They can use the Ford software or the Apple CarPlay software.
 
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