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According to Consumer Reports surveys, the most reliable car makers (in order) are:

Honda
Toyota
Subaru
BMW, Mazda, Nissan, Volkswagen (tie)

I am really surprised at BMW and VW being up there. I'm not a fan of consumer reports at all usually because they pull things out of their butt. Honestly many people I know that have VW's sell them because of poor reliability and high repair costs. Two of my uncles and one of my aunts have had passats- 2003 V6 4Motion, 2001.5 1.8T, and 2005 TDI. The 2002 had oil sludge issues and something wrong with the coils as well as many little electrical glitches. The 2003 had lots of electrical issues as well. The TDI apparently was ok but had parts fall of the bottom of it and cause damage to the car. That same thing happened to my dads co worker that has a passat- he sold it and bought a Hyundai and likes it a lot more. Another one of my dads coworkers also has a Touareg, he's had a lot of trouble with it as well and it has some issues where it eats through tires every 10,000 miles. My friends mom had an 03 Passat Wagon 1.8t, they loved it but the reliabilty was not there. They said literally every time they took it in for one little thing it ended up being $1000.They ended up selling it and bought a Highlander. VW's are nice cars, the quality is there, they're fun to drive, but reliability... lacking.

This is kind of a dealer thing, but I absolutely hate the VW Dealer. We've bought cars from the Saab, Land Rover, Jeep, and Volvo dealers which are under the same auto group and have never had issues. The VW dealer has rude people, the bosses treat their employees like crap over there, and they never clean your car. In fact its usually dirtier and sometimes there's grease IN THE CAR. One time my mom literally marched back in and said "the next time I take this POS in you are going to give it a full detail" (there was grease on the headliner). The Jeep dealer (which is the same umbrella dealer) are more than helpful, they wash your car, and ever vacuum out the inside every time you take it in.

I can't say much about BMW other than ours was a lemon and I know a couple families with X5's that loved them until ~50,000 when continuous troubles broke out.

My dad owned a 1993, 1996, and 1999 Suburban. He put many miles on them and never had issues with them. We know the owner current owner of the 1996 and in its 12 years and 218,000 miles the only work it has had done was a leaking power steering line, air conditioning compressor (@ 190,000 miles mind you), a radiator, an alternator, a fuel pump and thats about it aside from normal consumables. My dad also drives my Grandmas 1998 Cutlass to work daily (he has a 150mile round trip commute). He's had it for just over 2 years and has put 65,000 miles on it in addition to the 40 that my grandma put on it. In that time the only work it has needed other than brakes was a new antenna, alternator, and the switch for the A/C (total maybe $700 max).

If you were to add up all the work done on our Touareg, had it not been done under warranty it would probably be $10,000. American cars are honestly much easier to deal with. They're not as complicated, you can fix them anywhere, and they're not difficult. Go into Wal-Mart and look for an oil filter for a Passat or Touareg. I can tell you they won't have them. Or windsheild wipers for a Land Rover newer than 1999... nope- if they say they do, they'll be the right size but won't be able to attach.

I love European cars but they all seem very unreliable over here. American cars suck but they are cheap to fix and don't seem to have the expensive issues the imports do. Between the two, I would still take a European car.
 
According to Consumer Reports surveys, the most reliable car makers (in order) are:

Honda
Toyota
Subaru
BMW, Mazda, Nissan, Volkswagen (tie)

well that explains the crap and worthless rating from consumer reports. I personelly think a better number is the number of warrenty repair items per 100 cars. Much better of a way to see problems. That or average cost in that area per 100 cars.
 
I'm really shocked, BMW/Audi/VW are known for their reliability, i've seen a 15 year old Jetta still going with minimal repair or maintenance!!

We dn't have the extra warranty on the vehicles here, is it something to do with emissions? the EU being more stringent and our 'road-worthy' laws?

I sense people are more picky with them because their European? I do have to say though out of all the cars i would only ever buy European because of their reliability and style.

We do have Chevrolet over here now but they are re-branded from Daewoo absolutely horrible cheap cars (in the same league as Kia!!)
 
Sorry, I drive an F150 4X4

Sorry for off-topic, but.... Why? I mean, I heard that for a long time, the Ford F-series is the most popular car in USA. But it's a pickup! Why do you guys need pickups that bad? Sure, we have pickups in Finland as well, but people who drive them are people who REALLY need one. And that means that usually those pickups are sold to companies that do the kind of business that needs a pickup. Regular consumers never really buy any pickups. I think that overall, pickups have maybe 0.5% market-share. And it's no wonder. Compared to normal cars, they aren't as comfortable to drive, and they don't drive that well to begin with. For hauling cargo, you have station-wagons and vans, and for hauling people you have normal cars and MPVs.

So where do pickups fit in, as cars for normal consumers?

Besides, Top Gear agrees with me ;)
 
My brother works for GM and he said that Chevy and Cadillac are selling at a record low this year. Obviously because of gas prices (Chevy Avalanche only gets 8MPG). I think that most US car manufacturers failed to see what high gas prices would do to their sales and to start planning ahead by developing more fuel efficient designs and to switch a lot of their plants over from SUV/Pickups to smaller cars.

We actually had a shortage here in Texas were dealerships were actually unable to buy enough small car inventory because manufacturers were not keeping up with demand. I also don't know how many countless threads I see on craigslist with people trying to trade their SUV/Pickup for Small 4 cylinder car.

PS: I drive 2 VW's. A 2001 1.8T Jetta - 75k on it and a 1990 VW Fox - 265k on it, both have been pretty reliable and I have not had any major issues with them.
 
That same thing happened to my dads co worker that has a passat- he sold it and bought a Hyundai and likes it a lot more.

I have an '07 KIA, and also love it.

Their stats are based on surveys filled out by members.

Yes, but they have certain criteria for their owner's surveys. Low-volume, or lately improved, vehicles seem to fall through the cracks. I.E. Hyundai and KIA.
 
My brother works for GM and he said that Chevy and Cadillac are selling at a record low this year. Obviously because of gas prices (Chevy Avalanche only gets 8MPG). I think that most US car manufacturers failed to see what high gas prices would do to their sales and to start planning ahead by developing more fuel efficient designs and to switch a lot of their plants over from SUV/Pickups to smaller cars.

The Avalanche gets 12-14 MPG( depending if you get the 5.3 or 6 liter V8) city. If you get any less then that( especially at 8 MPG) you have to look at your brothers driving habits. Most likely he has a lead foot when it comes to driving that thing.
 
well that explains the crap and worthless rating from consumer reports. I personelly think a better number is the number of warrenty repair items per 100 cars. Much better of a way to see problems. That or average cost in that area per 100 cars.

I don't see where this is true, especially since warranties end but problems do not. My only beef with the way Consumer Reports aggregates their data is that they don't break down reliability by major options, such as engines. Often, one optional variation on a car can account for most of the reliability issues, but CU doesn't publish that data.

Yes, but they have certain criteria for their owner's surveys. Low-volume, or lately improved, vehicles seem to fall through the cracks. I.E. Hyundai and KIA.

Right. If they don't have a sufficient statistical basis for reporting, then they don't report. This is the way it should be done.
 
This is kind of a dealer thing, but I absolutely hate the VW Dealer. We've bought cars from the Saab, Land Rover, Jeep, and Volvo dealers which are under the same auto group and have never had issues. The VW dealer has rude people, the bosses treat their employees like crap over there, and they never clean your car. In fact its usually dirtier and sometimes there's grease IN THE CAR. One time my mom literally marched back in and said "the next time I take this POS in you are going to give it a full detail" (there was grease on the headliner). The Jeep dealer (which is the same umbrella dealer) are more than helpful, they wash your car, and ever vacuum out the inside every time you take it in.

That's independent of VW and shouldn't be used as a reason to avoid VW. I've had nothing but excellent service at my VW dealer. They're prompt, friendly, and my car always comes back shiny and clean.
 
That's independent of VW and shouldn't be used as a reason to avoid VW. I've had nothing but excellent service at my VW dealer. They're prompt, friendly, and my car always comes back shiny and clean.

That is a shame. People will right off a brand because of a shoddy dealer. Many people swear off the Big 3 due to the shoddy dealers.
 
That is a shame. People will right off a brand because of a shoddy dealer. Many people swear off the Big 3 due to the shoddy dealers.


I agree. The only time it's OK to write off a brand like that is if all dealers in the area are shoddy. If that VW dealer is the only one in Erik's town, then yeah, I could see not buying a VW. But in my area, I've got several VW dealers to choose from (and there's only one that I wouldn't go to, they make other crooked dealers look fully legit) so I definitely can't write off the brand.
 
Really, is anyone surprised? I went to a restaurant last week that was next to a Chevy dealership--the ENTIRE LOT was filled with Silverados and Suburbans!! GM's had a few hits that they like to parade around but it needs consistency and a long-term vision. The Malibu is nice looking but is still losing lots of comparison tests against the Altima, Accord, Camry, Sonata, etc. The Lambdas still guzzle gas. The CTS and Corvette are niche cars. The Impala is horribly outdated, and the Cobalt is just plain horrible. The Aveo... I don't know where to begin.

Also, this "change names every 5 years so people won't remember it sucked" crap needs to stop, along with the insane badge engineering (4 Lambda CUV's?).

Everyone with a bit of common sense should have seen this coming years ago, but GM's executives were too myopic to recognize the coming shift. The way I see it, if you love American industry, DON'T buy garbage. Demand excellence from our country. Using your wallet, tell GM they need to do a better job.
 
I agree. The only time it's OK to write off a brand like that is if all dealers in the area are shoddy. If that VW dealer is the only one in Erik's town, then yeah, I could see not buying a VW. But in my area, I've got several VW dealers to choose from (and there's only one that I wouldn't go to, they make other crooked dealers look fully legit) so I definitely can't write off the brand.

It's the reliability experience of VW that will never let my family buy another one. The dealer situation is just another smack in the face. I just don't understand why such a good dealer chain has one of their dealers be so inconsiderate, especially being such a "fun" brand. Personally I consider VW a more premium brand than Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler, so why does the jeep dealer have such better service?

And to who ever said that Consumer Reports said that VW was towards the top of the list, I believe you, but it contradicts this other statement they made in April 2008.

Other news from our latest survey:

* Despite Toyota's problems, the automaker still ranks third overall in reliability, behind only Honda and Subaru, with 11 models in the best list. Honda has six with a smaller model lineup.

* Only three domestic models made the Most reliable list: the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, and the two-wheel-drive Ford F-150 with the V6 engine. U.S. makes, however, account for almost half the models—25 of 44—on the Least reliable list. There are 13 from GM, 6 from Chrysler, and 1 from Ford.

* European makes account for 17 models on the Least reliable list. This includes six each from Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen/Audi.
Source: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...st-in-car-reliability-1005/overview/index.htm

In that VW's and Audi are very very similar, I would assume they would rank closely on the reliability ratings.
 
No thanks, their cars are pieces of junk, and if supporting an American worker was my main concern when buying a car (which it isn't, I don't care if you hate me for that) then I'd buy a Honda built in Ohio, a Toyota built in Kentucky, a Hyundai built in Alabama, a Subaru built in Indiana or a Nissan built in Mississippi.

Sorry, but the big three made their troubles when they decided to build gas guzzling SUVs in times of ever increasing fuel prices. And while I feel sorry for the workers, I'm not going to bail them out by spending thousands of dollars on a sub-par vehicle.

Sorry, but you've got the gas guzzling SUVs thing backwards. The big three have been making SUVs since the beginning. The Model T was a big-wheeled off-roader/SUV -- even the roads in the big cities weren't paved in the early 1900s.

This is the country of long roads, mostly rural landscape, constant development/new building, and tremendous need for work trucks. The top selling vehicles in this country have been pickups since the beginning.

The dumbasses in building gas-guzzling SUVs are the Japanese big 3. What's the largest standard pickup you can buy? The Toyota Tundra. What's the largest primary full-size SUV in company line-up? The Toyota Sequoia. What's the largest luxury SUV? The Infinity Q56. What's the second largest primary full-size SUV in corporate lineup that is larger than all three of the Ford Expedition, Chevrolet Tahoe, and Dodge Durango? The Nissan Armada. And who has more SUV platforms in their lineup than any other car company in the world -- Toyota.

Even the Japanese Big one that has ventured the least from its motorcycle company roots by continuing the longest in selling cars with enlarged motorcycle engines in them (tiny displacement I4s across the board every model), makes a 17 mpg SUV and full-size pickup (Honda).

American car companies build SUVs because the American people have demanded SUVs for 100 years. The Japanese Big 3, for example, despite coming from countries of extreme density of population into urban areas, gas costing more than twice as much as here, and more people riding motorcycles than cars, decided to invest in entirely new platforms, factories, etc in order to build gas-guzzling SUVs. And they're the ones who are eating it the worst by far now that gas prices have gone up to still only half of what the rest of the world pays.
 
Really, is anyone surprised? I went to a restaurant last week that was next to a Chevy dealership--the ENTIRE LOT was filled with Silverados and Suburbans!! GM's had a few hits that they like to parade around but it needs consistency and a long-term vision. The Malibu is nice looking but is still losing lots of comparison tests against the Altima, Accord, Camry, Sonata, etc. The Lambdas still guzzle gas. The CTS and Corvette are niche cars. The Impala is horribly outdated, and the Cobalt is just plain horrible. The Aveo... I don't know where to begin.

Also, this "change names every 5 years so people won't remember it sucked" crap needs to stop, along with the insane badge engineering (4 Lambda CUV's?).

Everyone with a bit of common sense should have seen this coming years ago, but GM's executives were too myopic to recognize the coming shift. The way I see it, if you love American industry, DON'T buy garbage. Demand excellence from our country. Using your wallet, tell GM they need to do a better job.

Can I get some of that **** you're smoking? It seems to be very effective at getting one f'd up. The Malibu wins lots of comparison tests, not loses. It was even named one of the 10 best vehicles sold in the US this year by C&D. Likewise the CTS. Likewise the Corvette. How many of the other 4 manufacturers of the 4 cars you mention had as many cars in C&D's 10 Best this year? Oops. None. In fact, none of them had any cars at all on the 10 Best list at all except one :rolleyes:
 
So, will we see GM roll-out a 5-year, 100,000 km warranty this year??

I don't understand what you are getting at. I doubt you think I'm a fortune teller, so I think your question isn't intended to be taken literally but rather as some other kind of statement. Are you saying that GM's competition has this kind of warranty or what? Anyway though, I'm really no more than a person who reads car magazines enough to be able to correct someone when wrong about what's in the car magazines.
 
they do have a 5 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Though you want bumper to bumper right?

Yes.

I have that, with road-side assist. Not this On-Star crap that requires a subscription after the first year.

I cancelled my CAA/AAA, and saved 5 years of premiums there too.
 
Yes.

I have that, with road-side assist. Not this On-Star crap that requires a subscription after the first year.

I cancelled my CAA/AAA, and saved 5 years of premiums there too.

Road side assist won't call the paramedics for you if you're unconscious after an accident or diagnose a problem for you on the spot. ;) Onstar has been useful for me. So for me it is worth it. Your experience/opinion may differ.
 
GM is building better cars now than they were 10 years ago. Unfortunately, so many people have been bitten in the ass that the thought of an American car never comes to mind. It's quite unfortunate.
 
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