They don't even have to reprogram their UI for CarPlay, it is a part of AAOS already. It is just a configuration file for the manufacturers to enable it. Android Auto not so much. There is only more work if there is a need for tighter integration and adaption for multiple screens.
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GM Says It's Nixing CarPlay to Make Drivers Safer
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Exactly, I"m using google aaos and it works just the same and perfectly fine with iPhone iMessage etc. If anything google assistant seems to understand me better than siri.
So if you read the article you'd know this is not a bestoke GM system, it is Google AAOS. It is already on many cars and and it is actually really good.
Yup, Google AAOS runs it as a system app as well, so within it's own virtualized environment. It works, the screens are big enough, multiple screens are also supported, but I don't like how some data then gets duplicated like time, network connectivity etc. And it is effectively an app. So you still switch for other car functions. I must prefer AAOS directly without carplay.
So what you’re inferring is that everyone “will be fine” using Google Maps and Spotify. And for the rest of us that DON’T want to sell our souls to Google analytics? I want to use Apple Maps and Apple Music.
And I have had a chance to mess around with their new style OS and I think it’s garbage.
What I was replying to was that it isn't a bespoke system, and is and has been in use with many manufacters.
And no you don't have to sell your soul to Google Analytics, and you can use Apple Maps and Apple Music.
Based upon what you just responded with, I don't think you have as otherwise you couldn't possible state what you've stated as that is clearly not true. I think you are mixing up Android Auto and Google AAOS, they are very different.
No, I had a chance to try a 2024 Blazer and it doesn’t matter if it’s better than MyLink or whatever they’ve been calling their infotainment system. It’s not CarPlay, which is what I use now and will continue to use.
For years now, the automotive industry has been playing catch-up to android auto and CarPlay. Now that there are so many models that have it included on their base model, most cars and trucks and SUVs, a company taking this option away is very stark.
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Problem is not app developers but Apple’s sdk is very and I mean Very limited in what you can do. Super limited for ui elements, look and feel. Mix that is radically different than iOS’s sdk.
Very painful to test and the debug tools are not that great so a lot harder to debug ui issues.
It is one of those cases car play is great but the tools and sdk is just not great.
I think this is due to their need to be compatible out of the box. Some CarPlay/Android Auto screens are capacitive screens with much lower screen resolution / refresh rate, and some screens are more powerful. I've read in the past that this "generic" or basic functionality helps to get the same experience no matter what kind of display it's working with. Another reason there's no scrolling artist & title information, and I'd suspect why there's no Weather Apps with animated Satellite Radar (FB6774977 & FB7807307).
I believe you are confusing Android auto vs Android Automotive. 2 very different products. Android Automotive supports car play. It also supports Android Auto.
GM is choosing to not enable CarPlay nor Android Auto which is a horrible and dumb idea. It is pure greed. Ford is also going with Android Auto but they are allow allowing CarPlay and Android Auto.
As an infotainment system Android Automovtive is pretty good. Easy to navigate around and access and adjust settings. Still can use the phone for its things.
Maybe? All I know is there was no CarPlay icon so I could use my iPhone instead. When I asked about it, was told it's something that "might be phased out in the future". I went to the dealership specifically to test the Blazer because that's the first car that they announced would drop CarPlay support. I'm not a fan. And after 20 some comments of "Bye bye GM" and stuff, I'm not alone.
Also, pushing an Android system on a Mac Forum probably won't go over well 🤣🥲🤪
Ok, so you haven't really tried Google AAOS then you've clearly made up your mind that because it is not CarPlay it is no good? So may it be, but I wouldn't discount it so quickly, nor fight it. The integration within a car, especially EVs will soon overcome most objections. Well, bar Overcast as that is iOS only.
I'm really not convinced they are taking it away as it is part of Google AAOS. Android Auto, yes definitely not, but CarPlay I'm convinced the app will be enabled regardless of what this article now says.
Yes. I have my iPhone with me almost 100% of the time. When I get in my car, I expect (after using it in two Chevy's for roughly a decade) to continue on with my Phone's apps just as I do when I'm not driving. That means Apple Maps, Apple Music, and Messages. What you're really trying to do is to convince me to just try another product instead. What I'm saying is that taking the option away is pretty ***** lame.
Nope not trying to convince anyhone, just trying to keep it factual and realistic as many react to something they've never even used.
However as someone who has gone through, and seen many others do the same it's the same cycle like with EVs in general;
1. There is range anxiety, but in reality as good as all cars have more range than one's bladder and cars are charged up whilst going to the wc and grabbing a coffee anyway.
2. Then there is charger anxiety, but (other than large parts of the USA) chargers are fine and plentiful. We've driven across 9 countries never had an issue, just hit that 'find me a charger' button (doesn't exist in Apple Maps....)
3. Lack of Carplay - our previous BMW, Mercedes, Audi all had it, as my current Range Rover. So yes, big change. But actually AAOS is super impressive and so well integrated with not only iOS but also the car that it is easily forgotten. Experiences differ, but whilst Apple Maps in the UK is awesome and the best, it isn't the same in other European countries.
Use, buy what you want, nobody cares whether you do or don't. Personally, I think it is silly to discount a car for not having CarPlay when the alternative can be perfect if given some recognition that it is different. The way a car drives, looks, feels, and integrates with the screens is to me much more different but we are all different.
I think the only true way to know what people think will be with their wallets over time. Another thing that gets me, pointed out by John Gruber's post last night about the original article GM's been quoted at:
GM Says It's Ditching Apple CarPlay and Android Auto for Your Safety
GM says people won't stop looking at their phones and it wants to minimize that danger inside its cars by removing Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
From John- "If CarPlay is unsafe, why isn’t GM recalling all its existing cars that have it equipped? And that last sentence is the real kicker: hasn’t been tested, even in a lab, but he’s just guessing."
EXACTLY. Some suit at a board of directors table said GM wasn't making enough money, so they're partnering with Google to try and get in on some of that ad revenue. At the expense of losing a feature most of us have gotten used to for roughly a decade.
As for the location, I find Apple Maps to be GREAT here in the states. I have no desire to start curating a new list of favorite places and locations in Google Maps, knowing they're just sucking as much data from me as they can. Granted, most folks just don't care about that and continue to use Facebook all day lol
Some of us do care, and not only that, we like what we like. I'm convinced this will backfire on them, and they'll sneak in support through a software update at a later time. Much much later. People do vote with their wallets, and I think CarPlay & Android Auto are actually REALLY liked by the folks that use it, and when folks ask where the option is when looking at future GM cars, only then will people's voices be heard. Years & years of car sales data will show this. Us here on a tech forum is pretty niche.
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Maybe? All I know is there was no CarPlay icon so I could use my iPhone instead. When I asked about it, was told it's something that "might be phased out in the future". I went to the dealership specifically to test the Blazer because that's the first car that they announced would drop CarPlay support. I'm not a fan. And after 20 some comments of "Bye bye GM" and stuff, I'm not alone.
Also, pushing an Android system on a Mac Forum probably won't go over well🥲
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Which was the point we were trying to make. They are 2 different products that people confuse. The naming I find confusing.
Apple does not make a car infotainment OS as car play is more of a limit screen mirroring but can not do other things.
Now I know Android Automotive is causing companies to up their Android side as they can port apps from Android Auto over to fully native Android Automotive apps fairly easily.
I do hate that CarPlay not being supported my GM and I will not buy a car now that does not support Android Auto and CarPlay.
No this is more of a case of people like you confusing Android Automotive vs Android Auto. They are 2 very different products.
One is a phone connection/minor and the other is a full car os. Android auto/Carplay are fully supported by Android Automotive. GM is choosing to not support them.
Android Automotive is a really good OS for a car. Remember there is a lot more than just the phone part thst has to be access. Things CarPlay just can not do plus remember it must be able to fully run with no phone connected.
Whether it's 'Android Auto' or 'Android Automotive', it's still Google. Er, Alphabet. Regardless, they're still using you as a product. And with the OS built in more closely with the car's computer, that's just MORE ad revenue. If you DID want to sign into Google on the head unit, all of that data would be presented to you in a creepy way during Google search results. If you're fine with Google (and now apparently GM) owning your complete life, go for it.
That is cute that you believe that this data mining is not coming to ICE as well. Your car is data mining you right now and it will only get worse.
Wait until the next generation of any ICE and it will get the same. Only reason the EVs are getting is right now is they are brand new generation.
This is not an ICE vs EV thing. This is just corporate greed.
Ah blind Google hate gotcha so spreading FUD. You are choosing to be willfully ignorant and confusing 2 very different products. That blind hate is blocking you from seeing the OS and UX for what it is and how good it is. Oh and don’t think Apple is all high and mighty in many ways they are just as bad. Big time when you learn at some of the products that you use and the powers behind them.
Guess you will not being being a car any time soon as most of the major players are going over to Android Automotive for their cars OS.
Current manufacturer going Android Automotive that I know of. Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Honda, Volvo, VW group, BMW. I would not be shock to hear Toyota as well considering Ford’s move as Toyota is using QNX which is the base Ford sync 3 and 4 are. I expect multiple QNX cars to all switch.
Also they (manufacturers) can use Android Automotive with out using any Google services and Andriod Automotive is the base and they build on top of it.
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He's absolutely right on that one. And of course it's even illegal in Germany to play with your phone while driving. Everything that keeps your eyes from looking at the street is a huge safety issue at 250 km/h.
Don’t know about him, but I personally don’t give a flying duck whether it’s “good” or “bad”. I change cars all the time (grab whichever car is closest to the edge of the driveway when I’m the first to leave the house, rent almost every week on business trips). I want to have a consistent experience in every car that I use. I don’t want to memorize new voice commands, different menus, and remember what car has what infotainment controls. CarPlay is absolutely perfect for my needs and is making sure that I have a familiar interface and voice commands in any car that I happen to drive that day. I refuse to rent cars that don’t offer CarPlay, and I will certainly not spend my own money on them.
Moreover, GM is not a highly desirable brand. It’s “a” brand. They are large, they are everywhere, and they have a choice of cars and trucks ranging from ****** to very good. Mostly in between. There’s also Toyota, Ford, Stellantis, Hyundai, Honda, or VW. It’s a commodity market, really. Has been for decades. Why would anyone jump through the hoops to buy a GM vehicle over a number of competing choices if this means more headache ?
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One advertiser may be able to listen in on you -- if you have an Android phone
Worried that your smart phone is listening to you? A digital marketing group associated with one of the US's biggest cable companies claims to be doing exactly that.
I see all that but the one thing about AAOS vs just AA/Carplay is CarPlay is limited to mostly infotainment system only. There is extremely limited information about the car pass back. Maybe current charge/ gas needed.
The AAOS is how you are going to access deeper car settings, control the climate in the car, change any car driving modes, say reading trip information or any error states on the car. Setting up behaviors like automatic adjusting the seat based on the keys that unlock the car. Maintenance tracking and so on. Hell just getting your phone connected requires working with the car’s os.
For a rental not as big of a deal. For a daily driver that is a bigger deal and it helps out a lot plus you do need to work with the OS to set that all up. All things CarPlay/ AA just can not do.
Yeah I got what you meant (it’s, IMHO, a good thing), I’m asking why you think that’s why GM is removing carplay since you linked the two.
Spoiler: GM removing carplay is not the world’s fault for pressing for EVs
I hate, HATE cars where climate controls are only accessible via a stupid touchscreen display. I know that I’m hardly unique in this.
The rest is already being done behind the scenes without having to tinker with user interface.
I want navigation, entertainment, ability to call or text, and that’s it. If there’s a maintenance or service message, I should be able to get it via CarPlay. In my Lincoln, I get a CarPlay notification when my tank gets empty, along with a suggestion to get directions to a gas station.
I’m sure this can be easily expanded for any other service messages.
Anything else should be kept away and not be interfering with my driving.
The reason GM wants to kill CarPlay is first and foremost data mining.
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My vehicle is not collecting any telemetry. I’m fully aware that any vehicle is capable of this kind of data harvesting.