How about this scenario:
Car OS is good, but GM charges a monthly fee for services you get in CarPlay at no additional cost such as Waze/Maps or access to your music streaming service(s)?
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GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars [Updated]
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How about this scenario:
Car OS is good, but GM charges a monthly fee for services you get in CarPlay at no additional cost such as Waze/Maps or access to your music streaming service(s)?
Which manufacturers are removing HomeLink? I've seen it on current Fords and Toyotas, though usually as part of a package.
Or raise your watch and say "Open garage door"
The "uproar" (which it wasn't IMHO, outside of certain parts of MR) was Apple dropping optical drives. Not floppies, not spindle drives.
As car manufacturers start to see how much money they are leaving on the table, you're going to just see more and more of them make this move. All of them will eventually pull the trigger. It's not if. It's when. It's a great move for them, a bad move for Apple and CarPlay, and, unsurprisingly, a horrible move for consumers.
At some point, CarPlay will only exist in aftermarket solutions and niche applications. By then, due to commercial viability, I'm sure Apple will have stopped development already. CarPlay (and Android Auto) have 7-10 years of existence left.
At some point, CarPlay will only exist in aftermarket solutions and niche applications. By then, due to commercial viability, I'm sure Apple will have stopped development already. CarPlay (and Android Auto) have 7-10 years of existence left.
When shopping for a new car in 2018, I really wanted a Toyota Highlander. CarPlay had not made it into the Highlander yet, so I passed on the vehicle and bought a Subaru instead. I've bought 2 other Subarus since then.
GM will never get on my list if they never offer CarPlay.
GM will never get on my list if they never offer CarPlay.
I drove a Chevy Trax with the new interface. Google is the one programming it NOT GM.
Update to the article says CarPlay and Android Auto will still be available for gas powered vehicles.
They do plan on transitioning away but not yet. Supposedly.
Update to the article says CarPlay and Android Auto will still be available for gas powered vehicles.
They do plan on transitioning away but not yet. Supposedly.
CarPlay is my one non-negotiable in any car purchase. Along with adaptive cruise control, its the best feature thats been added to cars since I started driving.
General Motors began phasing out support for CarPlay in its electric vehicles back in 2023, leading to complaints from iPhone users, but the company has no plans to back down.
In fact, GM is going further and plans to remove CarPlay from all future gas vehicles, too. In an interview with The Verge, GM CEO Mary Barra said that the company opted to prioritize its platform for EVs, but the change will eventually expand across the entire GM portfolio.
When asked if users should expect that new gas cars will not support "smartphone projection" for CarPlay or Android Auto, Barra said "I think that's the right expectation. Yes."
GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson suggested that GM's decision to embrace its own system is a "very Jobsian approach to things" that he likened to phasing out the disk drive.
Anderson said that GM's in-house infotainment option offers a "much more immersive environment" and can "do so many more things" than CarPlay.
In EVs, General Motors transitioned to an infotainment system that it previously called "Ultifi." GM said that eliminating Apple CarPlay gave it access to direct integrations and information that it needed for its electric vehicle line, plus the company claimed that an in-house unified solution was the better option for consumers.
Starting with the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ, GM is rolling out a centralized vehicle computing system that it says will overhaul how GM vehicles are built and how they can be updated over time. GM will share software across its portfolio, including all electric and gas-powered vehicles produced by its GMC, Chevrolet, Buick, and Cadillac brands.
Update: In a statement to MacRumors, a GM spokesperson said that CarPlay and Android Auto will still be available in gas-powered vehicles for the "foreseeable future," but confirmed that GM will eventually move to a more deeply integrated experience.
Article Link: GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars [Updated]
Another non-negotiable is that the car cant be made by GM or Chrysler (Fiat/Stellantis or whatever ungodly crap)
I know Tesla makes you pay extra to get garage integration. I think the new Nissans do not not have it and I know our new Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV does not have a HomeLink option. Also many new Hondas only have the cloud-based MyQ integration for garage openers (though some of their lineup does offer HomeLink).
It just seems like a trend in car manufacturers trying to figure out what they bill you for on a recurring basis (like when Ford changed the Mustang Mach-E 360-view camera feature to only operate if you had their subscription -- though they may have reversed course on that since there was a lot of backlash)
"Look, guys, flash storage really is the future."
I really doubt he said that. Flash storage wasn't even a thing until about 2002, 4+ years after iMac.
I really doubt he said that. Flash storage wasn't even a thing until about 2002, 4+ years after iMac.
Exactly. I have a smart tv because what else is there? But, I do not use the Samsung store apps and do not even care if they are good. I use an external streaming box that I can upgrade at any time without a TV (and that does not force ads like most TVs will do).
Pinning this for in 7-10 years. I'll prove you wrong then, not necessary now.
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It’s not about accessing your phone UI. It’s about accessing your the data on the phone.
And that automaker gm’s decision isn’t making any sense anymore.
Just to take away a software based product that doesn’t even cost too much for the company to add.
I hate to say I agree with your prediction, but I do. The car makers feel like they are giving away a revenue stream and every corporation is hunting for ways to squeeze more money out of people. I dread having even more subscription services in my life. The rest of the car manufacturers are happy to let companies like GM be the bad guys for now, meanwhile I be they are prototyping their own solutions for the same reasons: Gaining revenue, and not giving the dashboards of their product to another company.
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I had a Tesla for many years, and I still wanted CarPlay. Why?
Calling: The calling function just doesn’t work as well as it’s just basic Bluetooth, basic calls it’s fine, however it’s far inferior for FaceTime, teams calls etc.
Google Maps: I extensively tested the inbuilt navigation and it ALWAYS was behind Google in traffic updates. On traffic sensitive journeys I resolved to leaving Google maps running whilst sat in the charging mat to ensure I had the best alerts.
WhatsApp: it’s fantastic on CarPlay, non-existent on Tesla
App speed and functionality: I used Apple Music and Apple Podcasts etc on the Tesla but they are slow and clunky compared to when you use them in CarPlay.
So basically, the Tesla software is good for car software, but it isn’t CarPlay. I would have still WAY preferred to have access to CarPlay when I needed/wanted it, and I missed it when I owned Tesla’s for 4 years. In my new car I have loved having CarPlay back, and I haven’t missed Tesla software at all.
I can see this, I really can.
...however...
I would not make a "car" decision based on the CarPlay/Android Auto given aux or BT is less complex/dependent on multiple vendors to "work together" and support seems to span decades. Way way up on the list is maintainability, support, driving performance, fuel efficiency....way way down on the list is "can a make a call or play music." Really a 1st world problem...
But you get so much more with GM's new system! You get new subscription charges after the initial period runs out, the opportunity for the system to no longer work when GM chooses to move to an updated server system, the excitement of never knowing when a hacker will brick your car!
Maybe, but I think it is equally likely that one or more of the smaller manufacturers, both to save development costs and to differentiate themselves in the market by saying "no subscriptions, ever" will choose not to have such a system and get more money by selling more cars.
Tesla does not have its own maps service. The underlying mapping and data is all Google Maps. I would rather prefer using Tesla navigation as it provides very useful information as occupancy of Superchargers, battery estimation on arrival, etc.
I haven't experienced any issues with responding calls while driving. Obviously, I don't do video and Facetime and Teams meetings while driving.
Whatsapp, agree on this one. However, I believe that reading text messages while driving is unsafe, so I would want to be bombarded with notifications while driving in a first place.
I haven't noticed Apple Music to be clunky. I have extensively used Spotify and works perfect. Had experienced some bugs with new software updates, but these have been resolved.
Overall, I'm very happy with Tesla software and haven't missed any functionality of my iPhone while travelling, except for radar notification, for which I use dedicated app, but with Shortcuts, it is easy to configure for convenient experience.
I'm not GM client, so no need to convince me. It a shame that billion dollars, 100+ years old company is incapable of creating basic software for its vehicles, especially at present when software is increasingly important aspect of a modern vehicle.
The visual stuff is Google, but the actual navigation and routing hasn't been Google for quite a few years now.
Such as? Calendar, phone, and texts get integrated to the point it will auto-select navigation to your first appointment. For audio you have full playback control but can alternatively use Apple Music, Podcasts, Spotify, Audible and other streaming native apps, with the full set of controls and album art (including for podcasts). You can use the phone’s share button to send an address you’ve just looked up: of course you need to do this before starting to drive. And Tesla’s built-in Maps interface is much nicer than Apple’s somewhat cartoonish Car Play variant. If you really want to push it, you have a full web browser that works with iCloud and no nannying not to use it (though you will get the attention monitor upset).
YMMV but real world the only two apps that are “missing” in my view are first Overcast, and second Waze. I am a big Overcast user but generally listen sequentially so for me the only time I hit a speed bump (as it were) is finding it is not the front audio app, but Siri takes care of that. But, I understand for some people this would be very annoying. I don’t use Waze, and if that’s a dealbreaker for people then it is, but I understand Tesla wants that data for Autopilot training.
I do get where people are coming from: I rent generic cars and the software is always awful. But I don’t miss it in my Tesla, at all.