I have only owned Chevrolet vehicles going back to the 90s. A 92 Cheyene pickup truck, a 2000 Silverado, a 2009 Silverado, and currently a 2016 V6 Colorado. The Colorado is my favorite truck I have ever owned. First, GM decides to stop putting V6 engines into their trucks and now they are no longer supporting CarPlay. That's it for me. I plan to make my Colorado last as long as it can, but when it's time for a new one, if I can't buy a Colorado with a V6 engine and CarPlay, I will buy a Ford instead or whatever other brand offers a mid-size truck with those options. If there are many others like me, I have a feeling GM is in trouble.
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GM to Remove CarPlay from All Future Vehicles, Including Gas Cars [Updated]
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CarPlay is very important when I buy a car. Besides the consistancy of using my settings/music/maps ext, I refuse to pay a subscription to a car company. It will never happen. So thank you to GM for making future car purchases easier.
This will go down in GM history like the decision to make a diesel Oldsmobile (or should I say OldsmoBuick) out of a gas engine 350 block with 2 bolt mains. Great job there, GM.
I was in the new car market this year until I sat down with a sales critter and saw the abysmal interest rates they were charging and decided my 100k mile crate didn’t seem like such a “penalty box” after all, so I punted for now. But it was a GM product (Chevrolet Silverado) I was looking at.
Much the same way not having a V8 option took Ram off the table (I need a full size pickup) not having car play INSTANTLY takes GM out of the running. Period. I won’t even CONSIDER a car that doesn’t have car play. Same thing for SiriusXM. These two are deal breakers for me.
GM will rue the day they made this decision. I wouldn’t be surprised if the competition doesn’t advertise that they have car play and GM doesn’t.
I was in the new car market this year until I sat down with a sales critter and saw the abysmal interest rates they were charging and decided my 100k mile crate didn’t seem like such a “penalty box” after all, so I punted for now. But it was a GM product (Chevrolet Silverado) I was looking at.
Much the same way not having a V8 option took Ram off the table (I need a full size pickup) not having car play INSTANTLY takes GM out of the running. Period. I won’t even CONSIDER a car that doesn’t have car play. Same thing for SiriusXM. These two are deal breakers for me.
GM will rue the day they made this decision. I wouldn’t be surprised if the competition doesn’t advertise that they have car play and GM doesn’t.
General Motors began phasing out support for CarPlay in its electric vehicles back in 2023, leading to complaints from iPhone users, but the company has no plans to back down.
In fact, GM is going further and plans to remove CarPlay from all future gas vehicles, too. In an interview with The Verge, GM CEO Mary Barra said that the company opted to prioritize its platform for EVs, but the change will eventually expand across the entire GM portfolio.
When asked if users should expect that new gas cars will not support "smartphone projection" for CarPlay or Android Auto, Barra said "I think that's the right expectation. Yes."
GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson suggested that GM's decision to embrace its own system is a "very Jobsian approach to things" that he likened to phasing out the disk drive.
Anderson said that GM's in-house infotainment option offers a "much more immersive environment" and can "do so many more things" than CarPlay.
In EVs, General Motors transitioned to an infotainment system that it previously called "Ultifi." GM said that eliminating Apple CarPlay gave it access to direct integrations and information that it needed for its electric vehicle line, plus the company claimed that an in-house unified solution was the better option for consumers.
Starting with the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ, GM is rolling out a centralized vehicle computing system that it says will overhaul how GM vehicles are built and how they can be updated over time. GM will share software across its portfolio, including all electric and gas-powered vehicles produced by its GMC, Chevrolet, Buick, and Cadillac brands.
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As a current EV customer of many years from GM, I can confidently say that they are horrible with software integration. The new Equinox EV’s, which a friend has, have slightly better software (Google), but are still very poorly designed and more importantly, running G👀gle Android, which is known for surveillance and major privacy violations. why would I trust that on my car when GM is also known for violating consumer privacy and collecting all sorts of private data they were not entitled to (OnStar)??? I value my private information. I’m done with GM, period. My current car still has CarPlay, but when I sell, it’s over. Several friends who upgraded their EVs, already left GM.
CarPlay support is literally the #1 deciding factor for me when buying a car. I have installed after-market CarPlay stereos many times in older car models. But it's getting harder in the newer models, so having CP supported OEM is more important. If it doesn't come OEM, and I can't install it myself, I will never buy that car. I've turned down quite a few for just that reason.
One of the conditions that Jobs adamantly negotiated with the original iPhone exclusive launch with AT&T was that there would be no carrier logo on the phone, and more importantly, not a single bit of AT&T software on the phone. This was against the grain of industry standards at the time.
Like it or not, GM is accurate that they are being philosophically like Jobs with this move. Their product; their control entirely over the user experience. Now if they sells, that’s yet to be determined, but it’s the same line of thinking as Jobs with Apple products.
That's why they lost my business this year. I didn't even considered looking at any of their electric cars when researching to buy one.
Same applied to other brands: No CarPlay = Out of the list.
Same applied to other brands: No CarPlay = Out of the list.
Yes we forget that most of us here are not average apple tech users but far more advanced and this might not mean much to many
I have a Blazer SS EV, the system is a POS ! so what do most of us do... , drive with one hand ... while holding your phone in the other ! There is no integration with addresses, the system AI is an Idiot ! and the overall performance is like a commodore 64 ... real safe GM !.... This is about as stupid as Dodge killing the HELLCAT .... on deaths door .... here comes the Hellcat roaring back ..... so will car play !
So instead the mechanical services is where dealers make recurring income often in my experience in crooked manners. I am so done with dealers I do my cars at a reliable repair and maintenance shop I have used for over a decade.
For daily commuting, the infotainment system is the item I interact with the most and has the most differentiation between cars. I've got a nice 2017 Limited edition RAV4, their Entune system is garbage. I was visiting friends and rented a cheap Chevy that supported Car Play. I disliked everything about the car EXCEPT the Infotainment system which was a joy to use - to the point that I enjoyed the drives because CarPlay would play the songs and albums I requested off the voice recognition (Entune never came close to functioning) and I could take and send messages verbally (Entune deprecated the feature).
Well I base my car buying (once every 5-10 years) on several factors. Reliability has become major so I am done with American vehicles. I have ended up with some of the Japanese cars as major interest and settled with Mazda. Had a Mazda 6 for 10 years got 120K and probably another if I kept it but at 75 I needed easier car to get in and out so I moved to a crossover Mazda CX-5 -2025 model. My grandson has the Mazda 6 now and loves it. Again reliability but my focus on Mazda, Toyota and Subaru was that whatever I choose did need CarPlay in it. So factor two after reliability and cost for me
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Let’s not, given how most of the reason for this is telemetry and subscription services.
well into the 2000s too, my old ‘06 Dodge Stratus sedan was nearly identical to the Chrysler Sebring (including mostly the exact same Chrysler branded parts under the hood). Bonus: the 4 door versions, like I had, on both cars were Chrysler makes, the 2 door coupe versions on both cars were basically rebadged Mitsubishi Eclipses
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Non-issue for me, as GM was never ever in my radar as a vehicle purchase. No American brands for that matter, really.
Been a Honda fan since the 80's as they make the best cars on the planet, pound for dollar, IMHO.
Been a Honda fan since the 80's as they make the best cars on the planet, pound for dollar, IMHO.
What rental car companies are going to want GM cars in their fleet? I don’t own a car, but we definitely rent them from time to time & we won’t rent a car that doesn’t have CarPlay. GM is shooting themselves in the foot. What a great way to go out of business.
It sure would be nice if the car makers kill CarPlay if they would be forced to make their infotainment systems modular so that the day will never come when my favorite music streaming app or podcasting app is no longer supported by the version of the OS ran in the car (which will inevitably be running on unsupported hardware). With CarPlay on my phone I only have to replace a phone instead of a car. The OS on my car becoming unsupported will piss me off quite a lot more than the OS on my phone will as I hope to not have to upgrade cars as frequently as I do phones.
Personally, I wish it was easier to live in America car free. This is just a case of car companies deciding that they want to figure out how to generate subscription revenue from users as if their cars are not already enough of a financial drain on people to begin with.
Personally, I wish it was easier to live in America car free. This is just a case of car companies deciding that they want to figure out how to generate subscription revenue from users as if their cars are not already enough of a financial drain on people to begin with.
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Did you read what you linked to, or were you simply satisfied that "Apple" and "secrecy" were sufficiently close in the sentence? Neither addresses the question I asked. What makes you think Apple is developing CarPlay without input from automakers?
Aston Martin discusses their collaboration with Apple on CarPlay Ultra.
Every new CarPlay release has car brands signed on at the public announcement, so they're clearly aware of it before we are.
You gave two articles about resistance to journal publications, employee recruitment, and unsanctioned leaks. None of that says Apple doesn't work closely with partners under standard NDA restrictions to build working relationships. Everything we know about CarPlay says they do.
Just get in any car from the last 20 years. Look at the dashboard and say, "someone thought they were the right person for this job." Car manufactures think they know how to do electronics and software. 🤦
Don't forget the mid-80s Cadillac Cimmaron—an 88hp "luxury" car that was a badge engineered Chevy Cavalier with leather seats for twice the price of the Cavalier.
Interesting - GM fails to mention their proprietary ‘infotainment’ platform will cost a you a monthly subscription fee to use - on top of what you are already paying for the car.
And if you want to install future updates or turn on functions of your car which are already built in but locked behind a paywall, - the you will need to shell out more in micro transactions and subscription fees!
And if you want to install future updates or turn on functions of your car which are already built in but locked behind a paywall, - the you will need to shell out more in micro transactions and subscription fees!
standard Car Play doesn't do that. Only Car Play Ultra "takes over" all the displays. and hardly any manufacturer is opting into that. I think that will die a natural death, but standard Car Play is extremely useful and popular.