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Call up apple and complain, I've had no problems but you apparently are. Support lines are open for this kind of thing
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Going back to Snow Leopard, Lion worst OS experience ever
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Call up apple and complain, I've had no problems but you apparently are. Support lines are open for this kind of thing
Yeah, been there, done that. Even filed a bug for VPN and fortunately or not, it is a known issue! And about calling support lines - I am afraid that will involve restarts, reinstallations and other time wasting nonsense. Apple support is not for technically savvy people knowing their problems well. It is for those who cannot transfer their music and photos etc.
So was Leopard or SL on GM releases. Actually Lion incompatibilities at least for me have been fixed much faster than SL. I had to wait several months for all my apps to be SL compatible, but it took 2 weeks for everything I use to get their Lion updates.
I think part of the problem, aside from Apple apologists, is that Apple is far too tight with information.
Take the VNC thing I mentioned. Not a big deal, and there are workarounds, but a heads-up or explanation of the change would have been nice. Lotsa people run headless servers and the like and it would be cool if Apple at least said, "oh, BTW, we've changed that and here's what you can expect."
Contrast that with the support sites where the little developers sell products that rely on Apple's implementation of VNC. They've been mentioning the changes, posting workarounds, and generally being helpful. And those are guys who are working out of their dens for pennies, whilst Apple is what, the second biggest corporation in America??
Or another example, the weak full screen implementation for those with more than one monitor. Sure, it's a small thing, but Apple once paid attention to those details. Perhaps now they don't have to.
Lion doesn't break much new ground. In fact I doubt Apple cares to; I suspect their plan is to stick where the money is, in mobile computing, and let the computing end catch up. You can see that with all the iOS stuff they've imported, some of which is great stuff. But this is an incremental upgrade, and I don't see many people being awestruck by any new features.
Rob
Yeah, there's a lot of griping online.
Take the VNC thing I mentioned. Not a big deal, and there are workarounds, but a heads-up or explanation of the change would have been nice. Lotsa people run headless servers and the like and it would be cool if Apple at least said, "oh, BTW, we've changed that and here's what you can expect."
Contrast that with the support sites where the little developers sell products that rely on Apple's implementation of VNC. They've been mentioning the changes, posting workarounds, and generally being helpful. And those are guys who are working out of their dens for pennies, whilst Apple is what, the second biggest corporation in America??
Or another example, the weak full screen implementation for those with more than one monitor. Sure, it's a small thing, but Apple once paid attention to those details. Perhaps now they don't have to.
Lion doesn't break much new ground. In fact I doubt Apple cares to; I suspect their plan is to stick where the money is, in mobile computing, and let the computing end catch up. You can see that with all the iOS stuff they've imported, some of which is great stuff. But this is an incremental upgrade, and I don't see many people being awestruck by any new features.
Rob
Yeah, there's a lot of griping online.
worst OS experience ever? Windows ME clearly stands as the worst experience i've ever had to deal with tbh.
You go and tell that to the hundreds of people who come to this forum and whine and moan endlessly about how Lion was the worst thing that ever happened to them, apparently ignoring the fact that there is something called www.apple.com/feedback where they can report their concerns to Apple and help them release updates valid and useful for everyone.
Thats is very true and people should report issues to Apple directly
However, this forum would'nt be half as interesting to read if people didnt air their views on the subject
(for me anyway, I like reading about peoples good/bad experiences with things)
where do you go to do that? I too am new with macs. I have a 13 MBP. thank you for your help and I am loving my new Mac with Lion!
So far, Lion seems to me to be OK. It has some nice features.
I'm only cracking the surface so far, but my biggest gripe is that my NAS no longer works for Time Machine. This is due to Apple, apparently silently, changing the support for the older version of AFP. Thecus is working on a solution, but it aggravates the crap out of me that it's been more than a week and I have no backups. Even the 'workaround' doesn't work fully.
Anyways.. I think Lion has a lot of potential. I'll see how much I like it as I use it more.
I'm only cracking the surface so far, but my biggest gripe is that my NAS no longer works for Time Machine. This is due to Apple, apparently silently, changing the support for the older version of AFP. Thecus is working on a solution, but it aggravates the crap out of me that it's been more than a week and I have no backups. Even the 'workaround' doesn't work fully.
Anyways.. I think Lion has a lot of potential. I'll see how much I like it as I use it more.
All, I resonate with some of the issues... I've been using OS X since first launch and also have the impression that Lion is half baked. They obviously spent most of their time on user interface, getting gestures in, versions, all that stuff you can watch them talk about in the recent keynote... What startled me is how "touchy" Lion server is to configure. Yes I had the same, sometimes you mark a checkbox and it doesn't do what it's supposed to do. For example sharing via SMB. Took me all evening yesterday to get it up and running. Can't even tell what the issue was, my suspicion though is that anyone has to be careful of changing options in system preferences vs. Server admin... That seems to easily screw things up.
Initial performance was a bit sluggish, yes, both on my new Mini Server as well as 2007 MacBook. Looking at Activity monitor, in the first days the systems seems to be fairly busy updating Spotlight indexed, help indexes and all kinds of other stuff that's why the fan keeps blowing. Resolved itself after 2 days for me though.
User experience is ok, but server configuration or any other of the "more advanced functions" (like VNC) is a real headache. That hasn't been debugged well enough. Just hoping they release 10.7.1 soon with lots of fixes...
Initial performance was a bit sluggish, yes, both on my new Mini Server as well as 2007 MacBook. Looking at Activity monitor, in the first days the systems seems to be fairly busy updating Spotlight indexed, help indexes and all kinds of other stuff that's why the fan keeps blowing. Resolved itself after 2 days for me though.
User experience is ok, but server configuration or any other of the "more advanced functions" (like VNC) is a real headache. That hasn't been debugged well enough. Just hoping they release 10.7.1 soon with lots of fixes...
Your absolutely correct, that's why many are so upset of the complete train wreck of this release; we can't "fix" it. Oh, and that's Apples job, I'm tires of troubleshooting it for them- screw that.
The question is, do you need full screen on a multi-monitor setup with oodles of screen real estate? It seems to me that the whole point of full screen is about optimizing apps for small, single things where you don't want to faff around with window management. Think of it as "iPad mode" rather than an improved "maximize" button. Also, as screens get larger (and given Apple's fondness for 27" widescreens) I'm finding multiple screens less essential.
Note that full screen mode does let you drag palettes and floating windows to your second monitor (e.g. in mail) but not many full-screen enabled apps have many palettes. It will be interesting to see how third parties implement full screen.
I think that's the problem with Lion: it is a better upgrade for Macbook Air users than people with MacPros, and if you don't use a small laptop with a big touchpad you'll only see the (inevitable) upgrade glitches. The plus side is that if you don't want these features, you can just ignore them. C.f. the mess that Linux is in with distros pushing the tablet-oriented Unity and Gnome Shell as the default.
Lion Server, now... there we have a train wreck! I guess that if you want profile management or XSan then getting them for $50 is a bargain, but the new "Server" app is just too minimal and the documentation (when you find it) just consists of telling you to read the "man" page or go to the postfix/apache/etc. website. Installing the optional "Server Tools" adds some extra configurability (but now the setup is illogically split between two apps) although not everything. Name-based virtual hosts don't work (you can't fix them without borking the GUI) and even IP-based vhosts don't seem to offer any mechanism for custom configurations. Mail relies on you having incoming SMTP - many small outfits will need to fetch it via POP in which case you're on your own working out how to set up fetchmail and create a launchd for it.
Having a minimal GUI and leaving everything else to the command line isn't a bad idea but (a) we need details on how the server components have been set up (paths, config files, helper tools) not just a link to the Apache/Postfix/Postgresql project website and (b) the GUI needs to be set up with hooks for adding custom config files that won't be overwritten.
Launchpad is basically hidden and doesn't even have it's own keyboard shortcut. That's about the only thing that looks like the iPad besides the new Mail and fullscreen Safari which both work wonderfully. Otherwise it looks like OS X with a facelift.
I could not agree more. Anyone that has been using Apple products for an extended period of time knows that this is par for the course for Apple. I am not saying it's right to use the general public as your beta testers either and it bothers me, but I have learned to live with Apple's idiosyncrasies for the sake of knowing that I am still using the best products available.
The answer is YES. That's why I bought one. That's why at least the hardware engineers made it possible to connect one. People do presentations, teach, demonstrate, and multitask. Once upon a time Apple looked at how people worked and asked what they wanted; now they tell us what we need? Sheesh.
But it seems a simple little fix; just the ability to control it ourselves. My fear is that Apple is getting further and further from personal computing, exerting more and more control. I think it may eventually hurt them; someone will eventually build a better mousetrap.
Rob
Please explain what is broken so I can try to experience it...I have had exactly 0 issues with Lion.....which makes it one of the best major OS releases I've dealt with to date!
Yeah and that's exactly what I did - installed Windows 7! Because however tech savvy you are, you can't fix somebody's else's closed source code for them, don't you agree?
Yeah, on two of my five computers, I installed Lion, and on both of those machines, the wifi won't stay connected for more than a minute. then I have to reselect the network to connect again.
I've reset the smc, the airport router - all that stuff.
When I reinstalled Snow Leopard on the Macbook Air, guess what - NO problem at all!!!
Looking at the Apple discussion forums, this is obviously a very common problem with Lion.
The thing is - it's not like this is an off-beat bug that I can excuse Apple for missing. MAKING SURE A COMPUTER PROPERLY CONNECTS TO THE INTERNET SHOULD BE A GROUND ZERO PART OF TESTING.
And yes, I know, Apple will probably (hopefully?) fix this on the .1 release, but how they missed it in the first place is just astonishing.
***All you fan boys can keep using the eye-candied Lion. Me ... I'm going back to an OS that 'JUST WORKS' - Snow Leopard.
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