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Going back to Snow Leopard, Lion worst OS experience ever
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Downgrading back to Snow Leopard
Has anyone other than me decided that Lion just isn't ready yet? I've been using it since the day it came out and today just decided that I couldn't take it anymore and will wait until the first update.
I'm using a 2011 iMac 27" full spec and I cannot even count the number of times I've had to use the power button to restart due to a full system crash loading flash videos. I even tried reinstalling lion from a fresh snow leopard install but that didn't rectify the problem either; now I'm back to good ol' Snow Leopard. Surely I can't be alone in this...
Ah...I didn't see this thread. Glad to see there are other people as frustrated as I am
Has anyone other than me decided that Lion just isn't ready yet? I've been using it since the day it came out and today just decided that I couldn't take it anymore and will wait until the first update.
I'm using a 2011 iMac 27" full spec and I cannot even count the number of times I've had to use the power button to restart due to a full system crash loading flash videos. I even tried reinstalling lion from a fresh snow leopard install but that didn't rectify the problem either; now I'm back to good ol' Snow Leopard. Surely I can't be alone in this...
Ah...I didn't see this thread. Glad to see there are other people as frustrated as I am
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No problems here
Upgraded my 2011 MacBook Pro 15" 2.0 with no issues. I'm a noob so it was a pretty standard configuration with MS Office 2011, Onyx, and Steam with Half-Life. Sometimes hook it up via displayport to a Dell u2311h, with apple keyboard and magic mouse.
Upgraded from the MAS on the morning it came out, worked as advertised. I own a couple of iPads and it's no iPad...my 2 cents. Seems a lot of people with issues have pimped out their systems a bit.
Upgraded my 2011 MacBook Pro 15" 2.0 with no issues. I'm a noob so it was a pretty standard configuration with MS Office 2011, Onyx, and Steam with Half-Life. Sometimes hook it up via displayport to a Dell u2311h, with apple keyboard and magic mouse.
Upgraded from the MAS on the morning it came out, worked as advertised. I own a couple of iPads and it's no iPad...my 2 cents. Seems a lot of people with issues have pimped out their systems a bit.
And have your two screens stopped working with Lion? No.
Its just that full-screen mode doesn't make sense with dual monitors, but if you look at how Mail and XCode behave in full screen and apply a bit of design nous you'll see that the whole point is to make them work well on a single, small screen.
Incidentally - both Linux and Windows are taking a much more radical line towards "tabletization" - see the recent Windows 8 demo and all the flack about Gnome Shell and Ubuntu Unity. At least Apple haven't taken away the maximize button!
Good for you, not so good if your HTPC is Windows 7. Can still see my windows HTPC and laptop from the Mac, but the Mac (where all my media is stored) is now invisible. Really really annoying, and having searched the web quite a few people seem to be having the same problem.
Multiple monitors will always rule the roost. The only OS that has made multiple monitors a bit of a non-starter is Windows 7 with the Snap fuctionality - something Apple DESPERATELY needed if they wanted people to be more productive.
I also agree that basic things such as network/LAN connectivity should have been priority. Nevermind the glaring security issue that was identified with passwords being stored plainly on the machine and accessible. Unix doesn't do that, to my knowledge, so why does Lion have such a security issue?
Well, I tend to agree. Lion is a vastly pushed OS X version.
As a developer I also digged into some new APIs and let me tell you, there are some awesome and obvious bugs in many new features (NSPopup is a disaster). I already implemented some new stuff in my main apps but it took many 'tricks' to implement them in a good way.
Anyway, I feel Lion is good enough for most casual users that do not require some more advanced features (though some simple things also not work correctly). Those people will say 'It works smoothly, with no issues'. And thats fine by me.
For me though .. it isn't. I fully hopes the next Xcode with updated APIs AND 10.7.1 is a bit usable for me.
As a developer I also digged into some new APIs and let me tell you, there are some awesome and obvious bugs in many new features (NSPopup is a disaster). I already implemented some new stuff in my main apps but it took many 'tricks' to implement them in a good way.
Anyway, I feel Lion is good enough for most casual users that do not require some more advanced features (though some simple things also not work correctly). Those people will say 'It works smoothly, with no issues'. And thats fine by me.
For me though .. it isn't. I fully hopes the next Xcode with updated APIs AND 10.7.1 is a bit usable for me.
I had a crapload of issues and annoyances when upgrading from Snow Leopard to Lion to the point where I had to start the "Lion is Apple's Vista" thread that all the fanboys love.
After All the frustration, I did a clean install of Lion and it has been OK so far. However there is still the NAS drive compatibility issue (which has a work around) and other OS related problems but the experience is much better than running on an upgrade.
I can not recommend installing this via upgrade. You'd actually save more time doing a clean install and even BETTER off sticking with Snow until apple works out their sht.
After All the frustration, I did a clean install of Lion and it has been OK so far. However there is still the NAS drive compatibility issue (which has a work around) and other OS related problems but the experience is much better than running on an upgrade.
I can not recommend installing this via upgrade. You'd actually save more time doing a clean install and even BETTER off sticking with Snow until apple works out their sht.
In your infinite wisdom, do you count non working Mail with IMAP just an issue? Or how about disconnecting Network connections? Or how about not being able to connect to network shared work folder(s)? Just curious if I should just wait to use my work mail on my mac until the issues are resolved.
I'll just use my iPhone for the next ___ months until I can use mail again; my customers will understand.
If all you do on your mac is check twitbook stuff then Lion is ok. For professional use though, it has kinks aplenty.
I've found 3d graphics work is a challenge in Lion.....OpenGL has some serious issues, despite the fact that the GPU options on the mac are so limited and should therefore be less problematic.
I hope this gets sorted out with updates but I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile I still depend on a stable Snow Leopard partition to get the job done.
I've found 3d graphics work is a challenge in Lion.....OpenGL has some serious issues, despite the fact that the GPU options on the mac are so limited and should therefore be less problematic.
I hope this gets sorted out with updates but I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile I still depend on a stable Snow Leopard partition to get the job done.
Somehow that would seem more satisfying if you had installed Linux or some other Open Source OS, wouldn't it.
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I installed Lion on my month-old white Macbook about a week ago. So far, so good. I haven't experienced a single problem except that downloading took 10 hours because of my slow internet connection. Web browsing is really snappy and faster or as fast as Snow Leopard. Boot up time is still awesomely fast. I love it.
No way, if Apple added Snap it would be game over - knowing them there would be no way to turn off that which is widely acknowledged as the worst feature known to man. Thank goodness there is a convoluted off-switch in 7 for it. First time I've seen Snap and more productive in the same sentence ... except perhaps "I turned off Snap and became more productive
".I have ditched my dual monitor setup in Lion so far, and am starting to really embrace fullscreen apps - though I would like a show menubar option.
Different strokes, in summary, of course!
Same here. IMAP in Mail works just as well as it did for me in Snow Leopard. Sorry he's having issues though.
Gmail IMAP is screwed lately! Has nothing to do with Lion...my iPhone and iPad are having the exact same problem with IMAP. It was just coincidence that their system got horrible the same day Lion came out. It's been REALLY annoying! So much so that I now have my gmail forwarded to my MobileMe account so I can receive my emails!
I'm really starting to hate google!
When I'm upgrading to Lion from SnowLeopard, I didn't have a choice due to my system was slow for the last 1 month or so. I couldn't work it what it is (spinning circle thingy, can't access internet sometimes through WiFi, slow opening up Word document etc etc).
So I've upgraded anyway ... and turns out really well. I haven't seen any spinning a lot of spinning circle thing happening which is good and accessing webpages seem no problem.
The only issue that I got is that I have Canon software and now that software is not working with this new version.
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So I've upgraded anyway ... and turns out really well. I haven't seen any spinning a lot of spinning circle thing happening which is good and accessing webpages seem no problem.
The only issue that I got is that I have Canon software and now that software is not working with this new version.
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Wow. I find it funny how many defend Apple when they release a subpar product. iPhone 4 antenna issue, iPad 2 screen bleeds etc.
Now an OS that is clearly buggy and has issues. When MS does this Apple fanboys scream how that never happens and how perfect Apple is.
Holy crap, call like it is. Apple rushed another product to the market that is buggy and rough. Why because they can and people buy and believe it's perfect.
Apple has gotten too big and arrogant.
I am more than willing to call Apple out. I own numerous Apple products( iMac, iPad2, iPhone 4 and 2 iTouches) and while they integrate well, the QC is not what I expect from premium priced product. Moreover, QC seems to be getting worse with each new product lately.
Now an OS that is clearly buggy and has issues. When MS does this Apple fanboys scream how that never happens and how perfect Apple is.
Holy crap, call like it is. Apple rushed another product to the market that is buggy and rough. Why because they can and people buy and believe it's perfect.
Apple has gotten too big and arrogant.
I am more than willing to call Apple out. I own numerous Apple products( iMac, iPad2, iPhone 4 and 2 iTouches) and while they integrate well, the QC is not what I expect from premium priced product. Moreover, QC seems to be getting worse with each new product lately.
No way, if Apple added Snap it would be game over - knowing them there would be no way to turn off that which is widely acknowledged as the worst feature known to man. Thank goodness there is a convoluted off-switch in 7 for it. First time I've seen Snap and more productive in the same sentence ... except perhaps "I turned off Snap and became more productive
I have ditched my dual monitor setup in Lion so far, and am starting to really embrace fullscreen apps - though I would like a show menubar option.
Different strokes, in summary, of course!
People who downplay Snap are snapping it wrong. It makes the best use of a 27" monitor in years.
I've not used the server version of Snow Leopard or Lion, so I can't comment on anything about that. But, it's generally best to wait and see how things go before you update if you're not willing to deal with problems.
I've updated my 27" iMac and my mum's 13" MacBook Pro which are both running very smoothly and very well with no bugs, glitches, or hiccups of any kind. I was prepared to deal with any issues, but I'm glad to say I've encountered none.
However, I did a clean install rather than an upgrade. I created a small partition on an external drive and burned the image file of Lion to that and booted into it. It then created another little partition with the installer on it by itself and I erased my main drive (after backing up extensively), selected the main drive to install to, and voila.
I've updated my 27" iMac and my mum's 13" MacBook Pro which are both running very smoothly and very well with no bugs, glitches, or hiccups of any kind. I was prepared to deal with any issues, but I'm glad to say I've encountered none.
However, I did a clean install rather than an upgrade. I created a small partition on an external drive and burned the image file of Lion to that and booted into it. It then created another little partition with the installer on it by itself and I erased my main drive (after backing up extensively), selected the main drive to install to, and voila.
I loved it on the MBA. Everything just seemed *right*.
Now, on my trackpad-less iMac, I am not feeling that same love. I am seriously debating going back to SL at this point.
Now, on my trackpad-less iMac, I am not feeling that same love. I am seriously debating going back to SL at this point.
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