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Not trying to be argumentative but I think it depends a little more specifically how one defines speed or power, or to what those qualities are applied.

High end video editing, coding, and heavy spreadsheet jockeying are the primary examples that I would cite where an iPad falls somewhat short. That said...

- there are some pretty functional video editing apps on the iPad including of course Apple's - perfectly suitable for consumer use and very light pro use

- with Codea there is now an apple approved coding solution on the iPad (there's a great game called Cargo-bot that was coded entirely on the iPad.)

- viewing and tweaking existing spreadsheets, even complex ones, works fine

All a long way of saying that the list of shortcomings is pretty small, and getting smaller all the time. And in terms of speed - the kind we experience all the time whenever opening apps, files, switching, booting/turning on/off, etc. - I can say without hesitation that the new iPad is way quicker than the iMac is.

I'm a film producer. I do all my work on the iPad, as well as track and manage all my business and household finances on my iPad.

My iPad is my favorite Apple device but in my opinion what you're suggesting is wrong, it's like promoting 'counter-productivity' :) .. Unless you want to do things slower and more inefficiently forget accepting the iPad 'as a good enough' tool especially for a productivity tool. Why limit yourself?

While it is the perfect device for consuming content and doing a little bit of content creation along the way it is in no way a replacement for a computer. And suggesting that 9X percent of people 'could' do it is bad advice.

It's like saying you could get by driving a scooter on the freeway. But should you? No. Not unless you like to take your time getting things done and having fewer options.
 
While it is the perfect device for consuming content and doing a little bit of content creation along the way it is in no way a replacement for a computer.

Except of course for all the people in the thread and elsewhere who find it a perfect replacement for a computer. But yes, if we ignore all the contrary evidence, you are correct.
 
My iPad is my favorite Apple device but in my opinion what you're suggesting is wrong, it's like promoting 'counter-productivity' :) .. Unless you want to do things slower and more inefficiently forget accepting the iPad 'as a good enough' tool especially for a productivity tool. Why limit yourself?

While it is the perfect device for consuming content and doing a little bit of content creation along the way it is in no way a replacement for a computer. And suggesting that 9X percent of people 'could' do it is bad advice.

It's like saying you could get by driving a scooter on the freeway. But should you? No. Not unless you like to take your time getting things done and having fewer options.
different people have different needs in regards to computers AND cars. with things like dropbox and google drive coming soon....there is not a need for a computer for a basic user. Now if you do tons of word docs/spreadsheets and software intensive stuff...then yes it won't replace a computer for YOU. There are some people that just surf the web, read/write email, download and play music and that's about it. Maybe some photos here and there. If they get a dropbox account....they are good to go. Why do you think they keep calling it post pc??
 
My iPad is my favorite Apple device but in my opinion what you're suggesting is wrong, it's like promoting 'counter-productivity' :) .. Unless you want to do things slower and more inefficiently forget accepting the iPad 'as a good enough' tool especially for a productivity tool. Why limit yourself?

While it is the perfect device for consuming content and doing a little bit of content creation along the way it is in no way a replacement for a computer. And suggesting that 9X percent of people 'could' do it is bad advice.

It's like saying you could get by driving a scooter on the freeway. But should you? No. Not unless you like to take your time getting things done and having fewer options.

This post smacks of someone who is limiting their perspective to their own use case, and not (honestly) considering that of others.

If you think it's quicker and more efficient to use a computer for most tasks than it is an iPad, then I think you haven't used an iPad. At least not sufficiently. You think you can power up and dash off a few emails more quickly than I can? Or quickly launch safari and visit a few sites? Fire up a reader and read a PDF or ebook? Get some music playing? NFW. And it's not particularly close. I know - I used a MBP for years. The iPad is simply quicker in use for common everyday tasks. No two ways about it.

Tell you what - let's agree to disagree for now. Book mark these posts and come back in 24 months and we'll see how things have shaken out. If you can't see the writing on the wall, I think you're looking at the wrong wall.
 
This post smacks of someone who is limiting their perspective to their own use case, and not (honestly) considering that of others.

If you think it's quicker and more efficient to use a computer for most tasks than it is an iPad, then I think you haven't used an iPad. At least not sufficiently. You think you can power up and dash off a few emails more quickly than I can? Or quickly launch safari and visit a few sites? Fire up a reader and read a PDF or ebook? Get some music playing? NFW. And it's not particularly close. I know - I used a MBP for years. The iPad is simply quicker in use for common everyday tasks. No two ways about it.

Tell you what - let's agree to disagree for now. Book mark these posts and come back in 24 months and we'll see how things have shaken out. If you can't see the writing on the wall, I think you're looking at the wrong wall.

Those examples may all be true, but that's not all of what a computer does. There is a fundamental shift to mobile for usage, that doesn't mean anyone's getting rid of their computers. It's just a time/attention shift.
 
Those examples may all be true, but that's not all of what a computer does. There is a fundamental shift to mobile for usage, that doesn't mean anyone's getting rid of their computers. It's just a time/attention shift.

Sorry but that's a straw man and completely misses my point. I never said that those examples were all computers do. But those are the things most people do most of the time - even those who need, or think they need, a "real" computer. And those are *also* the kinds of examples where the speed, convenience, and superior overall user experience of the iPad makes itself known over and over and over and over and over in every single moment of use.

And while people may not (yet) be getting rid of their computers in droves, they are and will increasingly abandon them to 'occasional if ever' usage. I still maintain a household iMac and make no bones about it. It serves one essential function that the cloud has yet to conquer in a way that works for me - and that is to act as a media storage and syncing hub. But I will happily eliminate that sole remaining function when the cloud provides the functionality in a way that works for me.

As for the rest - high end video/photo editing, heavy spreadsheet jockeying, serious page layout work, and coding, the path from here is pretty clear. More and more functionality has appeared in apps and iOS over time, and of course thanks to Mr. Moore we've had lovely increases in hardware capabilities, and those processes can only continue.

-iMovie is completely fine for most consumer use, and is already being used for light professional use (I know, I'm in the industry)
-Numbers and various office suites are fine for viewing and tweaking spreadsheets
-Codea is a great little development environment, built right into an apple approved app and already resulting in a pretty cool ipad game called Cargo-bot which was developed entirely on the iPad
-Adobe and Apple both continue to push what's possible with photo editing on the iPad

I cite these not to say that "we are here" but to demonstrate clearly where we are going. This kind of stuff was completely unimaginable to so many when the iPad first appeared. Now? They're more or less conventional ideas which only hint at where things will go.

The reality is that most people don't need a computer (again, using the current conventional definition of a Mac or PC) because as individuals most people don't do much of the stuff that an iPad cannot. And, for what the iPad does do, it does so in a manner which is vastly superior in terms of overall user experience (and here too I include things like size and weight, battery life, portability, etc. as well as the speed and efficiency of the touch interface).

Some critics of this notion too get bogged down by interface. To that I say again it's a limit of imagination. iOS devices already have myriad physical keyboard options, and now have dedicated DJ and audio mixing consoles, musical instrument interfaces, and on and on. Again, the trend will only continue. But these are not 'most people most of the time' kinds of things. And they don't need to be!
 
I don't care how much processing capability you have, you're not going to overcome the limitations of limited KVM and I/O. Yes, the iPad will take a lot of time from the computer, but it can't replace it when you can't store and manage files, and use different third-party software to easily manipulate those files.

Also, the iPad can't multitask in the sense of having multiple programs up on multiple monitors all in view at the same time. Even it's multitasking API, while well suited for a mobile environment, would be an epic fail in the desktop environment.

The future is having two or three devices, if an iPad is in the mix, and time moving towards the iPad and iPhone, but there's no way the iPad is going to replace the PC.
 
I know some who have tried without success. Unfortunately, as much as I love my iPad, it just can't do everything. Even today I needed to pull out my computer to render a PDF embedded in a website properly.

Just today I had to fire up my MBP to set a calendar entry. Apple needs to add custom repeats to the iOS calendar program.
 
If you will still keep your computer, and just intend to use the iPad mostly, then you can do what I did and use Splashtop. It's a great app for using your computer on your iPad remotely.

I've even used it when I was in Las Vegas, and my iMac was in my home in L.A. and it wasn't laggy. I would remote into the iMac, and look through it's webcam to checkup on my home.

It was great for accessing documents and media, and for when I needed to use flash websites. I even played Machinarium on it.
 
rmhop81 wrote at the end of his post: "Why do you think they keep calling it post pc??"

Also on the basis of what you wrote in your post before the last sentence, I will say that you were rightly rather arguing for calling the iPad a device that is well suited to be used IN ADDITION TO a computer, not a device that is "post PC", as that implies that it can replace a PC in a convenient and user friendly way for most daily tasks for most people using a PC. Obviously it cannot do so, ever, lacking a hardware keyboard (among several things). It can be used for consuming content and only to a very limited degree to create data (because the lack of a good (= hardware) keyboard).

Therefore the naming from Apple - "iPad being a post PC" - is revealed to be just a sale's gimmick.
 
The iPad isn't replacing the PC in its current form, but to say that it never will is incredibly shortsighted. Almost all of the limitations stated on this thread are software by nature and could actually be completely addressed now if Apple wanted to.

Who really knows what will happen in the next five users, but I wouldn't bet against having some sort of tablet device as one's primary or only device. This is not to say that this device wouldn't be capable of connecting wirelessly with other devices to create a PC-like setup. It's entirely possible that the iPad of 2017 has the processing power to do everything we need on a PC, particularly when it can be synced with a monitor, mouse and keyboard, as well as any other peripherals you need. Who's to say that some sort of iOS/OS X hybrid won't soon be developed
 
Quite possible, and I agree that the technology will continue to merge and the iPad will become a more and more powerful device.

In the meantime:

my iPhone is my mobile device (i.e. goes everywhere with me) for checking emails, taking photos, my MP3 player, quick web searching, calculator, and a few other utilities. I also make the occasional phone call on it and send/receive texts :roll eyes:

my iPad is my main portable (and around the house) device for just about everything else, including emails, web, amazon, ebay, games, youtube, movies, along with several favourite apps. I happily use it as a business tool, answering 99% of emails and dealing with documents, using a wireless Apple keyboard. It is also my favourite and trusted companion when travelling and is far superior in flight entertainment system as it has all the movies I want to watch and games I want to play. The only thing I use the in flight system for now is the flight tracker!

my MacBook Air comes into occasional use for stuff which is either too cumbersome or impossible on an iPad, for example documents which require tracking (in fact I can't even find a way or reading the tracking on an iPad), file management, and working on spreadsheets. As for presentations, although Keynote is an excellent product and capable of generating and editing decent presentations, it is so much easier on a laptop and with a mouse.
 
my MacBook Air comes into occasional use for stuff which is either too cumbersome or impossible on an iPad, for example (...) working on spreadsheets..

Numbers for iOS is unexpectedly very powerful. I was searching for an ideal invoicing app and when I found none that fit my perquisites, I sat down on Numbers for iPhone and created the perfect invoicing app, adding further and further layers of complexity. Now I also use it on my iPad and all my invoices remain synced.

This week, I decided to try setting up a writing station to potentially replace my MacBookPro and I was so impressed with how crisp and paper like the new iPad screen looks. It's like having a glowing book sitting in front of you but you're able to type the content directly on to this book.

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Some downsides included moving the cursor via touch proved uncomfortable when having to reach your arm straight ahead. A touch pad or mouse still win here and demonstrate Steve Jobs' point about Mac desktops not becoming touch enabled.

When the major typing was over, I took the iPad off the dock and was able to sit back to edit. I used the "Writer" app.
 
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Perhaps I should have said "more complex spreadsheets".

In the meantime, maybe I should spend more time looking at the merits of Numbers.
 
Obviously it cannot do so, ever, lacking a hardware keyboard (among several things). It can be used for consuming content and only to a very limited degree to create data (because the lack of a good (= hardware) keyboard).

A desktop also lacks a hardware keyboard. It's a peripheral. An iPad works perfectly well with a keyboard as a peripheral.

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Perhaps I should have said "more complex spreadsheets".

In the meantime, maybe I should spend more time looking at the merits of Numbers.

Indeed. I was and still am thoroughly impressed with how complex a spreadsheet I could build on a phone. wow.

My invoice spreadsheet contains a first sheet with the actual invoice. I don't input anything here, it is automatically entered via forms in different tabs. In the first tab, I enter the client name, invoice number and date in a user friendly form. This data copies to the invoice. The next tab I add each line item which is also entered into the invoice. I built a Paid tab where if not checked for 30 days, a big OVERDUE in red appears in the thumbnail view alerting me to follow up on that invoice. Once I click the Paid checkbox, PAID appears on the thumbnail prompting me to file that invoice away.
I'm able to write an invoice on site, send a PDF version to my client and get paid on the spot.

If this doesn't sound very complex, that's by design. I wanted a very simple invoicing app. The complexity is in the formulas hidden in a final tab. Remember, Numbers wasn't designed to do what I got it to do through a series of referenced calculations and "if" cells.

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A desktop also lacks a hardware keyboard. It's a peripheral. An iPad works perfectly well with a keyboard as a peripheral.

agree 100%.

Now, I was about to add a photo of my iPad workstation and have just realised another limitation (or perhaps the limits of my knowledge?!) : I took the photo on my iPhone and beamed it across to the iPad (where I'm writing this, incidentally without the peripheral keyboard) but I can't find a way of inserting the pic here (paste doesn't work and can't attach) :confused:

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Indeed. I was and still am thoroughly impressed with how complex a spreadsheet I could build on a phone. wow.

My invoice spreadsheet contains a first sheet with the actual invoice. I don't input anything here, it is automatically entered via forms in different tabs. In the first tab, I enter the client name, invoice number and date in a user friendly form. This data copies to the invoice. The next tab I add each line item which is also entered into the invoice. I built a Paid tab where if not checked for 30 days, a big OVERDUE in red appears in the thumbnail view alerting me to follow up on that invoice. Once I click the Paid checkbox, PAID appears on the thumbnail prompting me to file that invoice away.
I'm able to write an invoice on site, send a PDF version to my client and get paid on the spot.

If this doesn't sound very complex that's by design. I wanted a very simpler invoicing app. The complexity is in the formulas hidden in a final hidden tab. remember, Numbers wasn't designed to do what I got it to do through a series of referenced calculations and "if" cells.

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Wow, that is impressive! And you did all the development work on the phone?!
 
Wow, that is impressive! And you did all the development work on the phone?!

Thanks. Yes, all on the iPhone. When I couldn't find an invoicing app that I liked, I was originally just going to design a spreadsheet template that I could fill in the cells directly with my content but over a few hours, I figured out how to add more automation and came up with a fully functional invoicing app.

What struck me most was how Apple has managed to tuck so many features into such a limited set of tool tabs. I really can't find anything missing in Numbers for iOS that I can do on the desktop version. There may be different ways of going about certain tasks but they're all possible.

So spreadsheets on iPad: Check!
 
Thing i find annoying in iPad everyday using is way of handling it. It is slippery, and writing something when having ipad in hand means constant risk of dropping it. Smart Cover doesnt work very well here, because it doesnt stick on magnets to back of iPad.

I cannot work on ipad alone, because i use couple virtual machines, on which im doing coding and things. Of course i can do that on Parallels Mobile, but i still need my PC to actually run those VMs. Sometimes i want to play Skyrim, Diablo 3 or WoW, and while they run perfectly smooth on Parallels, its very hard to play on Parallels Mobile.

Many people here say about filesystem on iOS. From mine point of view, i not only dont need it, but i think that it would make experience far more worst. The thing i would enhance is iCloud. Files shouldnt be stored there by application, but by MIME type, and apps should open specified MIME types, for example im running photo organizer and it shows JPG and RAWs from iCloud, but i run raster graphics editor and it shows JPG, PNG, GIF and PSD only, I run simple text editor, it shows only TXT from iCloud, but i run word processor it shows TXT, RTF and DOC.
 
Many people here say about filesystem on iOS. From mine point of view, i not only dont need it, but i think that it would make experience far more worst. The thing i would enhance is iCloud. Files shouldnt be stored there by application, but by MIME type, and apps should open specified MIME types, for example im running photo organizer and it shows JPG and RAWs from iCloud, but i run raster graphics editor and it shows JPG, PNG, GIF and PSD only, I run simple text editor, it shows only TXT from iCloud, but i run word processor it shows TXT, RTF and DOC.

See, I don't see why the current way of thinking about files is so bad. The examples you mentioned preclude me from grouping files by project. For example, let's say I'm keeping a folder for everything regarding my daughter. This could take the form of video clips, jpgs, word docs, whatever. I would hate to have to peck at different apps just to see all of the files regarding one specific topic.

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agree 100%.

Now, I was about to add a photo of my iPad workstation and have just realised another limitation (or perhaps the limits of my knowledge?!) : I took the photo on my iPhone and beamed it across to the iPad (where I'm writing this, incidentally without the peripheral keyboard) but I can't find a way of inserting the pic here (paste doesn't work and can't attach) :confused:

I've never tried it myself, but some have said the iCab browser lets you upload files through the browser.
 
See, I don't see why the current way of thinking about files is so bad. The examples you mentioned preclude me from grouping files by project. For example, let's say I'm keeping a folder for everything regarding my daughter. This could take the form of video clips, jpgs, word docs, whatever. I would hate to have to peck at different apps just to see all of the files regarding one specific topic.

Do you use one app to view all kinds of files, like word docs and video clips, on your desktop computer?
 
Do you use one app to view all kinds of files, like word docs and video clips, on your desktop computer?

Yes. It's called Finder. Or Windows Explorer on a PC. It gives me access to the file system and lets me organize my files any which way I want. This has been the paradigm of computing for 25+ years and works fine. I still haven't see anything that's convinced me of the need to change it.
 
Yes. It's called Finder. Or Windows Explorer on a PC. It gives me access to the file system and lets me organize my files any which way I want. This has been the paradigm of computing for 25+ years and works fine. I still haven't see anything that's convinced me of the need to change it.

I am also a power user and I am of course used to file systems, as we use them now. Try to think about the future a bit. Most people don't understand the idea of a file system, so what Apple and Microsoft are doing is to hide it from normal people. Imagine not having to worry about file operations and management. Everything is just there, available to the right applications. Not having to worry about filenames is the future of computing, and we all have to start getting used to it. I know we are not there yet. The current implementation on iOS leaves a lot to be desired, but I am sure that this will change with the next iterations of the OS in the next couple of years.
I believe that iCloud is essential to this strategy and I think we are just in the beginning of an evolution.
 
Yes. It's called Finder. Or Windows Explorer on a PC. It gives me access to the file system and lets me organize my files any which way I want. This has been the paradigm of computing for 25+ years and works fine. I still haven't see anything that's convinced me of the need to change it.

Are You really able to VIEW video files, word documents, rar archives, pdf files, mp3 files in Your Windows Explorer? Last time when ive checked, explorer couldnt even view rar files or play mp3s.
Because Your argument was that You are able to view all of them from one place, and just listing directory contents isnt exactly viewing of file contents. Because listing rows and columns of abstract filenames, which usually have completely nothing to do with actual file contents is actually argument agains filesystems :)

Not only Windows, but even geek linuxes are trying to "hide" actual files under the hood, so why Apple should now start to do something oposite with their mobile os ?
 
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