My iPad never crashed, same with my iPhone 6, and Yosemite crashed two times in public beta 1 and 2 and overall works as stable as Mavericks. So? I'm far far away from being an Apple "fanboy", Apple should be criticised where it is justified, but criticism should not lead to exaggeration.
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PCs are a lot cheaper depending on what you're looking for.
If you're in the $300 range, then sure. Apple doesn't even sell computers in that range, whereas you can buy a perfectly functional PC (laptop or desktop) for $300.
If you want something nicer than that, Apple is pretty competitive.
Show me a PC laptop that weighs less than 3 lbs., has a nice Haswell i5, and has an SSD instead of a hard drive. Those are my minimum specs for a laptop now. And last time I looked, a PC laptop with specs like that cost at least $700 and that's for a model/brand that was getting horrible reviews due to quality issues. For the extra $100-$200 I would happily pay to have an aluminum unibody, MagSafe, excellent keyboard and trackpad, and above-average screen (for that price range).
Pity that what you say (except the pricing) is very true. I also do think Apple is doing many great things and then just lets the most basic Bugs go thru. You are right, the famous Apple tax cannot be justified in such a manner.
However, I do think that an Apple purchase is actually cheaper in the long run as it has a full package of tools that you can use.
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futz: waste time; idle or busy oneself aimlessly.
Really? So what I posted is just an aimless waste of time?
I have no clue what any of you are talking about.
I brought a band new MacBook at LESS than the price of a Windows equivalent.
I don't think you guys know what equivalent means.
Oh, I can get a dedicated GPU and 8GB RAM, and a 1TB Harddrive for only $500. Ha, Macs are expensive.
WRONG. That is not equivalent.
Hard-drives are not the same as Solid-state drives, first of all. Those alone can raise the price by $200-300 or more. And even if a super-fast hard-drive has comparable speeds to a SSD (which I don't think you'll find very often), it still takes up more energy and makes noise.
You're also forgetting that the MBA's battery life is exceptional. There are a number of reasons for this. One, the CPU runs at a low clock speed until otherwise needed. Second, the SSD. Third, great cooling (through the aluminum), etc etc.
It's a really well designed device, and it's very light.
So, does your $500 laptop have an SSD, battery life longer than 10 hours, as well as all the other bells and whistles?
If you want 'equivalent' PC's, think Surface Pro 3, Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, Acer Aspire s7, etc. SP3 had cooling problems so it wouldn't be good enough. Yoga 2 pro was more expensive and the keyboard sucked. Aspire wasn't worth it either.
Sigh, now you're going to think I'm a fanboy. Let me clarify, I'm someone who invested in a Macbook and I'm not going to have someone tell me that I wasted money. I got exactly what I wanted and more. I won't deny it wasn't cheap, but that doesn't mean I would get anything better with the Microsoft logo on it.
Oh, and back to what I was going to say before. I haven't had any of the WiFi issues, no Yosemite bugs of any sorts, and I've had a great OS experience. But, obviously people have had issues. Either way, I'll take Yosemite over Windows 10 any day.
I brought a band new MacBook at LESS than the price of a Windows equivalent.
I don't think you guys know what equivalent means.
Oh, I can get a dedicated GPU and 8GB RAM, and a 1TB Harddrive for only $500. Ha, Macs are expensive.
WRONG. That is not equivalent.
Hard-drives are not the same as Solid-state drives, first of all. Those alone can raise the price by $200-300 or more. And even if a super-fast hard-drive has comparable speeds to a SSD (which I don't think you'll find very often), it still takes up more energy and makes noise.
You're also forgetting that the MBA's battery life is exceptional. There are a number of reasons for this. One, the CPU runs at a low clock speed until otherwise needed. Second, the SSD. Third, great cooling (through the aluminum), etc etc.
It's a really well designed device, and it's very light.
So, does your $500 laptop have an SSD, battery life longer than 10 hours, as well as all the other bells and whistles?
If you want 'equivalent' PC's, think Surface Pro 3, Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, Acer Aspire s7, etc. SP3 had cooling problems so it wouldn't be good enough. Yoga 2 pro was more expensive and the keyboard sucked. Aspire wasn't worth it either.
Sigh, now you're going to think I'm a fanboy. Let me clarify, I'm someone who invested in a Macbook and I'm not going to have someone tell me that I wasted money. I got exactly what I wanted and more. I won't deny it wasn't cheap, but that doesn't mean I would get anything better with the Microsoft logo on it.
Oh, and back to what I was going to say before. I haven't had any of the WiFi issues, no Yosemite bugs of any sorts, and I've had a great OS experience. But, obviously people have had issues. Either way, I'll take Yosemite over Windows 10 any day.
Sorry, I meant that more in the sense of 'twiddle' which is also a synonym of futz.
The OP seems to be at his wits' end with his computers, telling him that he should do stuff with the command line to solve his problem--which might be accurate and helpful--will still likely just annoy him more. Already your suggestion has provoked complaints from others about Apple user-friendlyness.
Checking Activity Monitor is a friendly first step that shouldn't take long.
No, he's just trying to run some diagnostics because you are having an unusual problem. It's just that most end-users who know nothing about computers such as yourself see things like this and freak out. Usually a technician would do this for you and you wouldn't ever see it. Don't worry, he was trying to help you.. don't need to feel so threatened.
Actually, the worst part is that he's not the guy with the issue. He's just somebody that decided to jump in and wanted to disrupt a thread where actual help is being offered because his opinion was so important to voice. This attitude turns these forums into a very frustrating experience.
This can happen on any OS. I'm a little divided at the moment. Yosemite has a lot of problems. Snow Leopard was probably the most stable release of all. Leopard was also good. The ones that came before and after had numerous issues. You shouldn't be angry that debug code doesn't look like plain English though, especially when the stuff he typed relates to the Unix layer. It precedes OSX by several decades, and after all that time it still works exceptionally well.
You say that because you haven't run a stable version of Windows. Sticking to either Windows 7 or 8.1 works fine. You don't know that because you haven't tried either one.
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Not with the QHD, it's only 11hrs but much less in real life:
check the full review:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/28/dell-xps-13-review-2015/
According to you and the review, the i7/512 model exists, but costs $1900+tax.
Go to dell.com and see if you can find a way to configure that model today, I can't.
While we can nit pick spec this way or that way. Point remains, MacBooks are NOT more expensive than Laptops/Ultrabooks once you equal (as close as possible) the hardware specs, to say nothing of the software which is a completely different kettle of fish.
"PCs are cheaper" refers to the fact that Windows machines start at a much lower end with lower specs that Apple doesn't cover. If an i3 or AMD laptop suffices for email & surfing, sure, there's nothing in the $300 segment that Apple can or wants to compete in.
Please leave the false attempt at feigning offense at the door. We're adults having a discussion, no need to act as though you've been personally attacked. If you took the time to read through these comments you'd see plenty of people are voicing displeasure with the current OS. To single my statement out because it quoted the litany of steps you posted is disingenuous at best.
Yours was pointed out particularly because you took an instance of someone offering advanced help as anecdotal evidence. However, your argument was a logical fallacy. Mostly non-sequitar. Furthermore, you didn't necessarily contribute to the topic with your own experience, but pointing out things to summarize your contempt for Yosemite. You haven't even shared your own experience per se, but just that you think Yosemite is akin to Vista.
All this, when in reality, I'm not convinced that OS X has been going downhill. The issue with Wi-Fi seemed to play a number of users, but obviously not everyone. Such as myself, for example. I have not had a bad experience. Everything's been great and I have no regrets buying this laptop.
If my years of using computers have learned me one sole thing: never upgrade to the new OS till the first service pack (for MsWindows devices that is) hits the shelves
With all due respect, at least if you're being honest in your post history, you've only been a mac owner for a mere 6 months so you're not exactly an authority on the quality of the operating system going 'downhill'. It's great you've had no problems and hopefully that continues - but a large number of people have noticed the decline in quality control with Apple, specifically the OS. To take personal offense to this observation is rather vexing.
What personal offense are you referring to? I'm not offended at all. I'm more just mocking you for your continued ignorance.
I never claimed to be an authority. I just said that it is my observation that OS X is as good, no, better than I had been told it was going to be. I'm thoroughly impressed.
And maybe I'm new to OS X, but I'm not new to computers
"Mocking", "ignorance". What is with these petty statements? We're discussing opinions on computers, what's up with the hostility?
As I said, it's hard to make this statement as you have no basis for reference. I'm glad your relatively new Apple experience has been a good one. You seem to confuse "not as good" with "bad". Nobody is saying this is a bad operating system, but it's not as good as it used to be and even the most casual browser will see more than enough people making similar statements. It's still a good operating system - that's why we're still Apple fans - but it has far more issues than the seamless experience Apple's OS used to offer.
I actually said that the dell was about the same price, certainly with a modern CPU you're not going to notice the difference between the Haswell and Broadwell while surfing Facebook.
My point, was just that buying a Dell is not necessarily a bad choice. Given Apple's plethora of software bugs and Dell's sexy hardware, the difference between the two is far smaller than it used to be.
And FYI, on Dell's website select the most expensive option - it's an i7 with 256gb SSD, and upgrade the SSD.. Viola you have your $1,899 Dell
My girlfriend's brand-friggin-new Macbook Pro requires her to turn off her WiFi and back on before it will even see our network, let alone connect to it. While I'm extremely glad that you don't have these issues, she gets frustrated every time that she opens the lid on her computer and I've lost lots of work directly due to other Apple bugs. No, they're not consistant but they do exist, to the point where putting Windows 10 preview on a Dell has been a better decission for me, and she has started reaching for my Dell laptop instead of her MBP.
Now, nobody is saying that you should have any regrets buying you mac. And nobody is saying that Apple won't get it all straightened out with time. But considering how rock-solid-stable Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard were, the quality just isn't there anymore.
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I'm not one to envoke the ghost of Steve, but if you look at the timeline, the software started to get buggy around Lion, when Steve Jobs started getting sick again.
Well, if I was forced to make a one sentence comment on Yosemite, based on this forum, it's bad. Its been stated worse, often. Some have said its good for them. Unless we can take a poll of every Yosemite user here, and get the non squeaky wheel negatives, its hard to know. It used to be trendy for Androiders to call then iToys, iSheep. There is certainly a high, and IMO overweigh expectation on Apple, so Yosemite is bad, I hate flat icons, etc. That would be my one sentence summary from MR. But how many Yosemite users are happy, and discussing other stuff that we never hear of?
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In that case Dell is king. Sexy hardware and no/few bugs.
I would call Apple hardware sexy, and Dells if that was the case, and I am sure it is. I wouldn't call Apple's OS''s or OSX, a plethora of bugs. Try installing the original DVD for Win 7 and count the updates. And the anticipation of the Service Packs. Its all relative, and IMO I don't see Win7 as overly buggy, nor Yosemite. If the icons never went flat, which riled/riles many, I wonder what the bug comment level would be, perhaps there is a negative already built in for FLAT haters? Food for thought. Ive seen many posts where the bug is a change
Lets be honest, you are not trying to convince us that you plan to buy a i7 CPU/PC to ONLY surf on facebook.
Could you explain your full needs, and then argument the DEll purchase
He wasn't saying he would. He was saying point #1: Dell isn't bad, and point #2: you can get a Dell configured in a certain way, which answers somebody else's question from earlier in the thread.
Just to 2nd your point. OS X has progressively been less smooth and yes us longtimers have plenty of reference points.
In my case, I've been a Unix pro (good old Berkeley 4.3) since 1986 and a Mac user since 1985. I saw Apple's ups & downs & ups again. I was overjoyed when Steve decided to move dated OS9 to OS X with a Unix Kernel.
The stability of the overall OS has been largely due yo its UNIX core, but as years progressed Featuritis has crept in and now hardware designers are running the software side. Never a good idea... kinda like the old joke... how many software guys does it take to change a light bulb...
anywho, Mavericks is it for me. Yosemite's flatness is an eye-sore even if they'll eventually fix the bugs. It's just getting too bloated.