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Goodbye Apple. It's been a fun ride.

Zeos said:
Well, after several years of Apple laptop ownership, we are going back to Windows on our next laptop. We converted during the "Hi I'm a PC" ads, and loved how the Mac truly just worked. But now, after it seems Apple has overextended OS X with features and neglected the everyday cleanup up of code, we can no longer justify the premium price. Our laptops hang, apps stop running, the iMac, Air, and Mini frequently bomb overnight, iTunes sync is a mess, the gray screen of death is becoming more common, and the spinning beachball is a common occurrence. Even my friends are saying that they "aren't as happy with Apple as we used to be." So, do I spend $1,800 on the next MBA, or do I spend $850 on a souped-up Windows PC? I can buy two of those in four years and still come out ahead. I hope that Apple is again worth the price someday.
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My 2012 rMBP is working splendidly, its been by far a better experience than my 2008 MBP was, I'm actually extremely happy with a computer first time in my life.

OS X Yosemite in my experience works better than 10.7 and 10.8 did, and can't wait till 10.11 "service upgrade" (akin to snow leo) comes out. I don't really care what my friends are saying, I'm going to keep using what works for me, and I think Apple is worth the price.

I didn't upgrade, I did a clean install of 10.10. It's running very silent and fast. (Can't say that for 10.8, retina experience on 10.8 was abysmal)

The screen, the screen is awesome on these things, and I got a free replacement after it failed after year and a half. I'm not even trying to convince you, since I don't care whether you switch, but since you decided to share your opinion and experience I decided I could share mine.

Also, I love working in Logic Pro X (which, since the X update, has become super awesome), so as long as apple keeps it alive I'll probably stay on OS X.

I hope you have a nice Windows experience tho, I have many friends that rock Windows 7 for audio production and are very satisfied.
 
People REALLY need to understand that even powerful systems can have issues with ANY OS.

I had Windows 8.1 crash on me the other day. How? I opened a 4K video project in After Effects with my GTX 680. The computer froze for a while then said I did not have enough VRAM.

Just because Photoshop and After Effects (and all these other programs) has it on the system requirements section that your computer WILL run it, it means just that. What are you doing with these programs on an AIR? It is not meant for this kind of thing.

I have a 2010 Mac Pro, 6-core, 32GB of RAM, and a GTX 680. Seems powerful right? I cannot edit 4K videos with my 680 (I have the 2GB one). My point is, I am able to use these programs, up to a certain point.

Do you take the system requirements and assume you can work with 8K videos and very very very very large Photoshop documents? That is your problem and why are you getting a performance issue.
 
Reinstall OS?

Instead of spending money on a brand new computer, why not try reinstalling the OS (not just restoring from backup) to see if that fixes your issues.

Most of my problems have always been solved by doing that.
 
Got my first Mac almost 20 years ago (Performa 6500). At that time Apple HW and SW were known for "it just works". But that is also when the original Apple Team was still (mostly) in place and the product line was very focused and small. Crack team focusing on just a few products. With the "i" revolution not only have the members of the original crack team retired or moved on, the product line has exploded and the number of employees has skyrocketed. And then we lost SJ to boot. So the company DNA is completely different. Worse, all those employees come from companies like MS where they bring that @#$# culture with them (i.e. let's cut QA and testing and let the customer "test it" for us). Every empire has it's rise and fall. Everything is cyclical. That all being said I still favor Apple products...for the time being.
 
Zeos said:
Nope.

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Actually just a different shade of brown. :p
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If you're not trolling then why are still visiting a Mac web site when you are no longer a Mac user?

Also, anyone who feels the need to come to an anonymous message board to express which computer they will be using...has personal esteem issues.
 
bluush said:
The mere fact you have to waste your time doing all this nonsense is confirmation that OS X is, as another said, in its Vista stage and desperately needs help. Apple products should just work. No ifs, ands or buts. While I haven't been pushed into browsing Windows machines again (yet), I must admit Apple is really letting the quality of their OS software wane.
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Most of what he has posted are commands which will produce output useful for us on the forum to determine if the user has done things like install potentially unstable non Apple drivers.

Unlike you, he is trying to be helpful and unlike you he seems to know how to actually use a computer.
 
Hankster said:
If you're not trolling then why are still visiting a Mac web site when you are no longer a Mac user?

Also, anyone who feels the need to come to an anonymous message board to express which computer they will be using...has personal esteem issues.
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This is pretty much what I was about to write. But that would only hinder his self-esteem issues further.
 
roadbloc said:
QFT.

However, it hardly matters anymore with Windows 10 just round the corner.
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I have enjoyed using Windows 8. Really, the only thing that bugged me (infuriated me) was the mess they made of Desktop vs Metro mode inconsistencies. For example, control panel opened in desktop mode, but PC settings opened in Metro. Sometimes, opening a PDF or image would open in the Desktop viewer, other times I would be whisked to Metro with no clear reason why. I hate that, but aside from it, Windows 8.1 is a fast and responsive system. I give it 2 cores and 2GB of RAM in a VM and it runs beautifully. If you gave OS X those specs it would buckle.

I've used the Windows 10 preview and it looks SO good. They fixed a lot of the Metro/Desktop confusion and finally added multiple desktops (probably my single favorite OS X feature). Windows was so inefficient when jumping between several windows and programs. Did any previous version of windows have a spaces/desktops type features, or were you limited to stacking windows on top of each other and using the task bar to navigate (like I did in vista)? Either way, Windows 10 looks amazing.

I love OS X and Apple was really the company that made me love computers due to their attention to detail and all of the little features. The fluidity of the software, novel approaches to things like scrolling, and stability (of past OSs). OS X was perfect (for me) in so many ways. But if Apple's design language and buggy software development continue to spiral downward I could finally see myself switching back to Windows (if they continue with their impressive development.)


My biggest issues with switching from Apple and/or to Windows are these:

1. Vendor. I love Apples centralized organization. The hardware, software, and warranty all come from one company. Help or questions are direct and simple. With Windows, you have Microsoft software, third party hardware, and third party software (AV). When I had an issue with my old HP computers I'd call HP and would get told to contact the AV company. I'd call the AV company and get told its a Windows issue *sigh*. Well, I'm much more computer literate now. Also, I love that Apple IS the hardware vendor. There are so many Windows hardware vendors and it's hard to find a MacBook Pro type product out there.

2. Font. I truly never realized the crucial role font rendering plays. OS X font smoothing and rending is my second favorite feature. I mean, seriously! Look at Windows. Jagged font that looks one pixel wide, virtually no smoothing, inconsistent. I prefer the OS X font and LOVE the font smoothing. I've tried adjusting ClearType many times, but never got like I like. I don't want to use a third party hack to change the system. Does anyone else notice this? What are your opinions?

3. Little details in Windows that infuriate me. In Windows 8.1 I still get that ONE update that won't install. I have one right night that just returns an 8-digit error all the time. My Windows system only has a clean Windows 8.1 install, Firefox, Flash, and Office 2013 professional installed. That's all, but there are ALWAYS update available. Why does Windows require so many update? Don't get me wrong, I like that Microsoft is quick to update their systems, but it's ridiculous how many notifications I get for it. Not being able to close a background window without bringing the app to the front first and not being able to scroll background windows are huge things in OS X that I've become accustom to that Windows just lacks. Also, I hate that I can't use OneDrive without updating my user account to an "online" account.


Overall, I'm still deep in the Apple camp. I love their hardware and OS X Mavericks was just amazing to me. On the other side, I hate Apple's new software development system. There are still little bugs in Mavericks (Finder tabs changing window size, clicks not registering a release, menu bar bugs on secondary displays) that have never been fixed and won't be fixed because in one year Apple jumps to the next OS. I wish we could get a version of OS X and STAY on it for 2 years or so and use that time to iron out all those annoying little bugs. Then take this solid OS and build on it for the next major release. Right now, Apple's releasing a new buggy OS on top of an existing buggy OS. They fix some issue while ignoring and introducing others and then the whole process begins again in October of each year. They're in a dangerous place. If they keep the issues with iOS and OS X going they'll loose their reputation which, in the face of increasingly competent competition) is their largest and, in some places, only competitive advantage.

Whew, I didn't intend to write that much. I'm thinking this will inspire a lot of tl:dr attitudes. :)
 
Traverse, agree overall. I'm hoping Apple tightens things up.

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paulcristo said:
Instead of spending money on a brand new computer, why not try reinstalling the OS (not just restoring from backup) to see if that fixes your issues.

Most of my problems have always been solved by doing that.
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Yep, going to give this a try next weekend on my MBA. If that works, will try it on my iMac and MacMini. Those are more complex since they have Parallels installed, so that means reinstalling Windows and Windows programs too.
 
Traverse said:
I wish we could get a version of OS X and STAY on it for 2 years or so and use that time to iron out all those annoying little bugs. Then take this solid OS and build on it for the next major release
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Rumor has it that this is what is coming with iOS9 (and probably OS X, too).

The "Enterprise-push" will pretty much require it IMO.
 
Zeos said:
Well, after several years of Apple laptop ownership, we are going back to Windows on our next laptop. We converted during the "Hi I'm a PC" ads, and loved how the Mac truly just worked. But now, after it seems Apple has overextended OS X with features and neglected the everyday cleanup up of code, we can no longer justify the premium price. Our laptops hang, apps stop running, the iMac, Air, and Mini frequently bomb overnight, iTunes sync is a mess, the gray screen of death is becoming more common, and the spinning beachball is a common occurrence. Even my friends are saying that they "aren't as happy with Apple as we used to be." So, do I spend $1,800 on the next MBA, or do I spend $850 on a souped-up Windows PC? I can buy two of those in four years and still come out ahead. I hope that Apple is again worth the price someday.
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I can't disagree with your departure, however nothing in the $850 range, to me, is a viable choice. I'm looking to get out because I'm not fully webbed in the eco-system anymore. I traded up from an iPhone 4S to a LG G2 a year ago because at the time Apple didn't have a phablet. Since, Ive also purchased a samsung note tablet, so the changes Yosemite brought didn't really apply to me. Not really concerned about getting my texts/calls via a computer anyhow.

Continuing on, it appears the only notebooks on the market that match or surpass that of an Apple is the Dell XPS 13/15 and the "New XPS" series are just beautiful. Watch some reviews on the youtube before making your purchase. I'm holding out until Windows 10. GL :)
 
i have been selling off my Apple computers lately and only have a 2009 Mini, 2011 Air 11"and late 2014 Macbook Retina (bought in October). i have been pure Apple computers since they went Intel a long time ago and generally buy a new one every year from iMac to Mini or Macbook etc..

in Jan this year the design and function of the Surface Pro 3 with the i5, 8GB Ram, and 256GB SSD made me finally buy one. my Best Buy status allows me 45 day return policy no questions so i had to see and use it myself after reading the good and bad and thought i would surely return it. first of all its not OSX and although i always kept Windows around with every version after i left at XP i didnt use it regularly and expected the OS would send me running back.

Result:

short answer = hardware trumps OS and now i am on a Surface Pro 3 that happens to run Windows and rarely touch my Macbooks and they are headed to Craigslist

long answer =

if Apple would have given me an all in one that runs OSX i would not even be posting this but they didnt.

i now take ONE DEVICE and sit and do all my tablet stuff on a touchscreen, click on a magnetic backlit keyboard and it sits comfortably in every position as a laptop, and THEN i just drop it in a dock and it is already connected to a wireless keyboard, trackpad (instead of mouse), 2 x 27" monitors (giving me 3 with Surface screen) and my speaker system.

thats seriously to me what its all about HARDWARE!

how can you not want ONE thing for all things and its great at all of them. sure it could be a little thinner as a tablet but its more and does that job very well. it could be a little bigger screen as as laptop but i had an 11" Macbook before this 12" Surface. and there is nothing i can say except its a great powerful desktop.

what about the fact that its Windows?

this was my Major concern really and i found out "i dont care". i use Chrome, Outlook, and the other standard stuff that frankly with the need for finding "workarounds" for shabby OSX versions of things like Outlook and Word and other business tools it was refreshing to be on the real thing and not have to figure out how to make some things work with Windows based tools.

i have Photoshop, a taskbar, mail client, etc, etc, etc, and all the things i enjoyed for so many years on OSX but i have it on hardware that offers a form i can use in all parts of life.

i wont get into the little things like why doesnt Windows let me do things that OSX did or the opposite but just say they are both capable of the same things and both do them very well.

i still like OSX and have been responsible for countless conversions of friends and relatives over the years but i switched as my main device and have no reason today to go back.

i may be back as my main OS or maybe i wont but i am not sticking to one or the other anymore unless i have options of hardware that fits my needs.
 
fletch33 said:
i have been selling off my Apple computers lately and only have a 2009 Mini, 2011 Air 11"and late 2014 Macbook Retina (bought in October). i have been pure Apple computers since they went Intel a long time ago and generally buy a new one every year from iMac to Mini or Macbook etc..

in Jan this year the design and function of the Surface Pro 3 with the i5, 8GB Ram, and 256GB SSD made me finally buy one. my Best Buy status allows me 45 day return policy no questions so i had to see and use it myself after reading the good and bad and thought i would surely return it. first of all its not OSX and although i always kept Windows around with every version after i left at XP i didnt use it regularly and expected the OS would send me running back.

Result:

short answer = hardware trumps OS and now i am on a Surface Pro 3 that happens to run Windows and rarely touch my Macbooks and they are headed to Craigslist

long answer =

if Apple would have given me an all in one that runs OSX i would not even be posting this but they didnt.

i now take ONE DEVICE and sit and do all my tablet stuff on a touchscreen, click on a magnetic backlit keyboard and it sits comfortably in every position as a laptop, and THEN i just drop it in a dock and it is already connected to a wireless keyboard, trackpad (instead of mouse), 2 x 27" monitors (giving me 3 with Surface screen) and my speaker system.

thats seriously to me what its all about HARDWARE!

how can you not want ONE thing for all things and its great at all of them. sure it could be a little thinner as a tablet but its more and does that job very well. it could be a little bigger screen as as laptop but i had an 11" Macbook before this 12" Surface. and there is nothing i can say except its a great powerful desktop.

what about the fact that its Windows?

this was my Major concern really and i found out "i dont care". i use Chrome, Outlook, and the other standard stuff that frankly with the need for finding "workarounds" for shabby OSX versions of things like Outlook and Word and other business tools it was refreshing to be on the real thing and not have to figure out how to make some things work with Windows based tools.

i have Photoshop, a taskbar, mail client, etc, etc, etc, and all the things i enjoyed for so many years on OSX but i have it on hardware that offers a form i can use in all parts of life.

i wont get into the little things like why doesnt Windows let me do things that OSX did or the opposite but just say they are both capable of the same things and both do them very well.

i still like OSX and have been responsible for countless conversions of friends and relatives over the years but i switched as my main device and have no reason today to go back.

i may be back as my main OS or maybe i wont but i am not sticking to one or the other anymore unless i have options of hardware that fits my needs.
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Sweet. Make sure you get rid of everything Apple, to make sure your migration to Windows is full and complete. One thing I dont get is you saod its all about hardware, yet your post is about moving to Windows?

To me, every platform had hardware, but the choice has to be the OS. Sure, you made points about Surface is this and Surface is that, you also criticised it also, so its not the bees knees. Its the closest to a do everything device FOR YOU, including the negatives. Some of us prefer to reduce or remove the negatives and have 2 or three devices that are closer to ideal in their given use cases.
 
fletch33 said:
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i now take ONE DEVICE and sit and do all my tablet stuff on a touchscreen, click on a magnetic backlit keyboard and it sits comfortably in every position as a laptop, and THEN i just drop it in a dock and it is already connected to a wireless keyboard, trackpad (instead of mouse), 2 x 27" monitors (giving me 3 with Surface screen) and my speaker system.
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That's nice that you've found a solution that works for you.

I have come to the realization that I don't need to do any "tablet stuff." I have an iPad from work which I basically never have the inclination to use, except for maybe some bedside reading, which I'm doing more and more on my phone these days now that phone screens are bigger.

I think a lot of people are quickly coming to the same realization and tablet sales have taken a nosedive over the past year or two.

So if I don't need a tablet then I'd much rather have a laptop that's optimized to be a laptop and not a compromise between the two different types of devices.
 
motrek said:
That's nice that you've found a solution that works for you.

Agree

I have come to the realization that I don't need to do any "tablet stuff." I have an iPad from work which I basically never have the inclination to use, except for maybe some bedside reading, which I'm doing more and more on my phone these days now that phone screens are bigger.

Cool

I think a lot of people are quickly coming to the same realization and tablet sales have taken a nosedive over the past year or two.

No, No, No, that's totally incorrect. Tablets have not suddenly turned bad, and the reasons why sales are softening are commonplace online, so I won't even bother repeating them, you should already know.

So if I don't need a tablet then I'd much rather have a laptop that's optimized to be a laptop and not a compromise between the two different types of devices.
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Again cool, we are all different, some want a do everything device thats compromised, others want the proper devices, no one is wrong
 
tdale said:
Sweet. Make sure you get rid of everything Apple, to make sure your migration to Windows is full and complete. One thing I dont get is you saod its all about hardware, yet your post is about moving to Windows?

To me, every platform had hardware, but the choice has to be the OS. Sure, you made points about Surface is this and Surface is that, you also criticised it also, so its not the bees knees. Its the closest to a do everything device FOR YOU, including the negatives. Some of us prefer to reduce or remove the negatives and have 2 or three devices that are closer to ideal in their given use cases.
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the Mini was my desktop which was replaced by Surface dock and the laptops were replaced by Surface keyboard so that is why i mentioned they would be going. i am not getting rid of everything Apple to make a statement i just dont need them.

the Surfaces has as many flaws as my OSX products and i wasnt going to spend time talking about pro and con of each and finished it off by saying both systems are fully capable. i dont have many negatives to either once i set them up to my taste.
 
Zeos said:
Well, after several years of Apple laptop ownership, we are going back to Windows on our next laptop. We converted during the "Hi I'm a PC" ads, and loved how the Mac truly just worked. But now, after it seems Apple has overextended OS X with features and neglected the everyday cleanup up of code, we can no longer justify the premium price. Our laptops hang, apps stop running, the iMac, Air, and Mini frequently bomb overnight, iTunes sync is a mess, the gray screen of death is becoming more common, and the spinning beachball is a common occurrence. Even my friends are saying that they "aren't as happy with Apple as we used to be." So, do I spend $1,800 on the next MBA, or do I spend $850 on a souped-up Windows PC? I can buy two of those in four years and still come out ahead. I hope that Apple is again worth the price someday.
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Great decision. You can get an awesome PC for a lot cheaper.

I might do the same after my mac gets old. Either that or get a refurb.

But I'm never paying full price again.
 
tdale said:
Sweet. Make sure you get rid of everything Apple, to make sure your migration to Windows is full and complete. One thing I dont get is you saod its all about hardware, yet your post is about moving to Windows?

To me, every platform had hardware, but the choice has to be the OS. Sure, you made points about Surface is this and Surface is that, you also criticised it also, so its not the bees knees. Its the closest to a do everything device FOR YOU, including the negatives. Some of us prefer to reduce or remove the negatives and have 2 or three devices that are closer to ideal in their given use cases.
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He wasn't speaking for anyone other than himself so why did you feel like he was speaking for everyone?

"It's the closest to a do everything device FOR YOU"... which is exactly what he said.

This attitude of taking differing opinions as a personal attack has grown quite tiresome.

I thought he made a reasoned explanation for why he made the change. Even though I as of yet have not reached the same conclusion, I can appreciate the thoughtfulness that went into the decision.


Zeos said:
Well, after several years of Apple laptop ownership, we are going back to Windows on our next laptop. We converted during the "Hi I'm a PC" ads, and loved how the Mac truly just worked. But now, after it seems Apple has overextended OS X with features and neglected the everyday cleanup up of code, we can no longer justify the premium price. Our laptops hang, apps stop running, the iMac, Air, and Mini frequently bomb overnight, iTunes sync is a mess, the gray screen of death is becoming more common, and the spinning beachball is a common occurrence. Even my friends are saying that they "aren't as happy with Apple as we used to be." So, do I spend $1,800 on the next MBA, or do I spend $850 on a souped-up Windows PC? I can buy two of those in four years and still come out ahead. I hope that Apple is again worth the price someday.
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I don't think you are alone in that sentiment.
 
I definitely agree with the OP. I will likely go back to Windows. The creaking on my MBPr which might be back has given me a lot of headache.

It's not worth it for me.
 
most likely since the issues are across all of your machines and no one else on the planet is experiencing the same problems, it is due to some third party software combination that is conflicting with the OS. But go wherever makes you happy, It really doesnt matter these days. Both platforms have crappy aspects about them and all tech is designed to be replaced yearly if not less, its practically advertised as such, so why not go with the cheaper alternative. I must say tho, I've had my 2009 iMac & Unibody Macbook air since 2010 and have zero issues with them, all my kids of macbooks and my youngest has my old 2008 iMac, all of them work flawlessly. Ive been with Apple since the OS 7.5 days, I've experienced maybe 5 grey screen kernal panics since OS X debuted and theyve all been due to shoddy third party software companies trying to cut corners with programming. Enjoy Windows, i hope it works out for you.
 
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