Goodbye Apple. It's been a fun ride.

[s15119]

Windows 8.1 is brilliant.

Snicker . No need to read any further. We surely don't see eye to eye. Windows 8.1 is garbage.

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Sigh. Another "because I have had a positive experience that means that any claim of an experience contrary to mine must be wrong."

I could point to my MBP that died due to the GPU defect as "proof" that Apple quality HAS gone down. See how that works.

No. Not at all. Did I use the word proof? No. I will be happy to provide more evidence. This is a forum where people complain, to take the negative experiences you read here as evidence of the collapse of Apple would be silly. The vast majority of people have positive experience with Apple products.

http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...ominates-consumer-brands-poll/d/d-id/1110933?

 

[sracer]

Snicker . No need to read any further. We surely don't see eye to eye. Windows 8.1 is garbage.

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No. Not at all. Did I use the word proof? No. I will be happy to provide more evidence. This is a forum where people complain, to take the negative experiences you read here as evidence of the collapse of Apple would be silly. The vast majority of people have positive experience with Apple products.

http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...ominates-consumer-brands-poll/d/d-id/1110933?

You disagree with the poster because your experience differs from theirs. It is extremely rare to see anyone acknowledge that their own experience may be the unique one.

 

[tdale]

This is funny. I insult a single pro-Apple article so now I'm an anti-apple fanatic? I guarantee I've been an Apple user longer than you (there were no macs when I started with Apple), I've owned more Apple products than you (20+ actual computers alone not counting tablets, phones, etc), and I'm sure I've gotten a lot more enjoyment out of Apple than you. I am very much pro-Apple.

It's the rabid fanatics that ruin the Apple experience for me. Why do you have to believe that every single thing Apple does is perfect and every positive comment about apple is perfect? Why does it offend you so much to even imply something about Apple is not perfect?

It was you who did the insulting, as per "Mac fanatics are famous for twisting and distorting things and this is why people laugh at them." If you happened to read my post, I merely stated that what you said to counter the articles findings was stated in the article. Perhaps your into Mac fanatics post clouded your ability to digest the article. And by generalising anyone that praises Apple (which wasn't me BTW) as a fanatic, is uncool, and inaccurate

 

[s15119]

You disagree with the poster because your experience differs from theirs. It is extremely rare to see anyone acknowledge that their own experience may be the unique one.

No, that is not the only reason I disagree with the poster, which is the reason I gave you more evidence to support my decision; which you ignored. As I reward, you will be ignored. You can find someone else to argue with. Have a nice day.

 

[Beachguy]

On the flip side my dad hates Windows 8.

Really? I LOVE Windows 8. After all, if I hadn't seen a pre-release version in the summer of 2011, I would not have been so motivated to switch to Macs after the nausea of staring at the interface cleared.

 

[mi7chy]

Waiting for Apple to build what the customer wants and that's a Mac OS X tablet with touch screen, pen input and detachable keyboard/touchpad. In the meantime rocking a fanless Broadwell Thinkpad Helix2 touch/pen tablet until Broadwell Surface Pro 4 is released. Clam shell laptops are kind of boring since they haven't changed since the ultraslim Sony VAIO Z505 I owned back around 2001.

Oh, the big plus is the best note taking/cloud syncing software, OneNote 2013, is free. ;D

http://www.onenote.com/

 

[motrek]

Waiting for Apple to build what the customer wants and that's a Mac OS X tablet with touch screen, pen input and detachable keyboard/touchpad. In the meantime rocking a fanless Broadwell Thinkpad Helix2 touch/pen tablet until Broadwell Surface Pro 4 is released. Clam shell laptops are kind of boring since they haven't changed since the ultraslim Sony VAIO Z505 I owned back around 2001.
...

Er, is that what customers really want?

The Surface has been a sales disaster. I guess the most recent version is doing slightly better. At least Microsoft hasn't had to buy all of them back yet.

 

[tdale]

Er, is that what customers really want?

The Surface has been a sales disaster. I guess the most recent version is doing slightly better. At least Microsoft hasn't had to buy all of them back yet.

The SP3 is a great device, thats very clear. But its not taking over laptops, so its not what most customers want.

A Mac OSX touchscreen, stylus and flimsy keyboard. Add a case, then you have an MBA. More sturdy, I'd rather have that for portability.

 

[nikko1423]

My son just bought himself an Alienware laptop. And yes, he loves it lots more than his Air which is now on eBay. We was first to jump ship. Not quite half the price, but it doesn't beachball/hourglass him and hang nearly as much. I'm next (but not getting Alienware). Even as I type this, my wife it walking around waiting for her Air to stop beachballing. It's getting ridiculous; we have never cursed Apple products so much as we have in the last several months. That goes for the iPhone too. Aren't you tired of TouchID failing and your touchscreen not recognizing your first swipe?? And then there's Spotlight failures, Safari not always responding on the 6 Plus in horizontal mode, and the random restarts and app crashes.

MY FRIGGIN GOODNESS!

I read the first page, and its full of everyone saying the OS is crap, and you're always waiting with that Pinwheel thing
WHAT??? I've never heard a single person say any of that ever happened to them. TouchID doesn't fail (yeah, there can be manufacturing defects), touchscreen will ALWAYS recognize your touch, even when its cracked beyond recognition, Spotlight is ok, but it never fails, (dont know about Safari in 6plus, but what?). Sheesh...

I'm running the Air 2013 with like, beta versions of os x, and nothing ever happened. I never have to wait. NOTHING IS WRONG. Unless you have like, A: The worst software luck EVER, or B: A 5 year old mac cluttered up,
then I can not see how the heck you are having any problems. sorry.

(And for this specific comment? Getting an Alienware is stupid. It's like getting a mac because its the brand name of all computers. There are lots better gaming laptop/desktop sites out there that can give you a 5x better gpu with other comparable specs for the same/lower price...)

 

[tdale]

MY FRIGGIN GOODNESS!

I read the first page, and its full of everyone saying the OS is crap, and you're always waiting with that Pinwheel thing
WHAT??? I've never heard a single person say any of that ever happened to them. TouchID doesn't fail (yeah, there can be manufacturing defects), touchscreen will ALWAYS recognize your touch, even when its cracked beyond recognition, Spotlight is ok, but it never fails, (dont know about Safari in 6plus, but what?). Sheesh...

I'm running the Air 2013 with like, beta versions of os x, and nothing ever happened. I never have to wait. NOTHING IS WRONG. Unless you have like, A: The worst software luck EVER, or B: A 5 year old mac cluttered up,
then I can not see how the heck you are having any problems. sorry.

(And for this specific comment? Getting an Alienware is stupid. It's like getting a mac because its the brand name of all computers. There are lots better gaming laptop/desktop sites out there that can give you a 5x better gpu with other comparable specs for the same/lower price...)

Zeos has problems with all his devices.

This means:

1. All his Apple devices are rubbish, the hardware failures are inherent with Apple, and all devices have all these issues. he is right to move.

2. The users of his devices have messed them up, maybe the odd hardware problem. You have to look after the hardware and software, and for the odd user here that has issues with every device, you'd have to question why. The extra freedom you have with Windows will all more opportuntiesto mess it up.

Should he reply, why is it that all your devices behave badly, and if you polled 1000 other purchasers you would not find that?

 

[KiwiAdventure]

We are being spammed by Apple haters so don't give them any time by replying.

 

[newdeal]

I also find it infuriating at how terrible safari is becoming and just how bad iTunes is. I use iTunes rarely usually just to set up a new iOS device. When I use it I am shocked that in the span of an hour it can crash 5 times. I also find I have to force quit it all the time due to home sharing bugs. Safari is just an abomination right now. Its too bad you can't put snow leopard on new hardware 10.6.8 was so good, now they don't even make it close to a .8 release before the next version ships and introduces more bugs on top of the ones they never fixed on the last version.

As for iOS I don't find it too bad other than that any browser other than safari including the ones built into apps is like 10x slower for some reason (even with the jailbreak tweak nitrous installed)

 

[KiwiAdventure]

I also find it infuriating at how terrible safari is becoming and just how bad iTunes is. I use iTunes rarely usually just to set up a new iOS device. When I use it I am shocked that in the span of an hour it can crash 5 times. I also find I have to force quit it all the time due to home sharing bugs. Safari is just an abomination right now. Its too bad you can't put snow leopard on new hardware 10.6.8 was so good, now they don't even make it close to a .8 release before the next version ships and introduces more bugs on top of the ones they never fixed on the last version.

As for iOS I don't find it too bad other than that any browser other than safari including the ones built into apps is like 10x slower for some reason (even with the jailbreak tweak nitrous installed)

It must be you and properly the junk you have loaded. I keep my Apple hardware free of rubbish and only use approved programmes certified by Apple.

 

[motrek]

I also find it infuriating at how terrible safari is becoming and just how bad iTunes is. I use iTunes rarely usually just to set up a new iOS device. When I use it I am shocked that in the span of an hour it can crash 5 times. I also find I have to force quit it all the time due to home sharing bugs. Safari is just an abomination right now. Its too bad you can't put snow leopard on new hardware 10.6.8 was so good, now they don't even make it close to a .8 release before the next version ships and introduces more bugs on top of the ones they never fixed on the last version.

As for iOS I don't find it too bad other than that any browser other than safari including the ones built into apps is like 10x slower for some reason (even with the jailbreak tweak nitrous installed)

Of course you must realize that iTunes doesn't crash every 12 minutes on everybody's computer. The media and public would skewer Apple. Except they would never release such a build in the first place.

So something has gone wrong with your setup.

You can blame Apple, and be justified. Even if the crash is unusual, it shouldn't happen at all. Nobody will argue that Apple software should crash.

But, computers are complicated and they will sometimes get into bad states on people. This can happen to any operating system and software stack.

So really, you can try to sort out the problem you're having. There are tools and resources available, if you're willing to invest a little effort in getting your nice expensive computers to work as designed. Or you can write rambling posts on the internet about how Apple is going down the tubes due to your sample-of-one anecdotal evidence, and continue to hate-use your computer and just get more and more upset when it crashes or hangs. Up to you I guess.

 

[tdale]

Of course you must realize that iTunes doesn't crash every 12 minutes on everybody's computer. The media and public would skewer Apple. Except they would never release such a build in the first place.

So something has gone wrong with your setup.

You can blame Apple, and be justified. Even if the crash is unusual, it shouldn't happen at all. Nobody will argue that Apple software should crash.

But, computers are complicated and they will sometimes get into bad states on people. This can happen to any operating system and software stack.

So really, you can try to sort out the problem you're having. There are tools and resources available, if you're willing to invest a little effort in getting your nice expensive computers to work as designed. Or you can write rambling posts on the internet about how Apple is going down the tubes due to your sample-of-one anecdotal evidence, and continue to hate-use your computer and just get more and more upset when it crashes or hangs. Up to you I guess.

Well said. PEBLAK

 

[newdeal]

Of course you must realize that iTunes doesn't crash every 12 minutes on everybody's computer. The media and public would skewer Apple. Except they would never release such a build in the first place.

So something has gone wrong with your setup.

You can blame Apple, and be justified. Even if the crash is unusual, it shouldn't happen at all. Nobody will argue that Apple software should crash.

But, computers are complicated and they will sometimes get into bad states on people. This can happen to any operating system and software stack.

So really, you can try to sort out the problem you're having. There are tools and resources available, if you're willing to invest a little effort in getting your nice expensive computers to work as designed. Or you can write rambling posts on the internet about how Apple is going down the tubes due to your sample-of-one anecdotal evidence, and continue to hate-use your computer and just get more and more upset when it crashes or hangs. Up to you I guess.

I have three macs, a 2010 mac mini, a 2010 iMac and a 2013 macbook air. Safari has issues on all three, the mac mini and the macbook air have both recently been fully wiped and yosemite reinstalled so its clearly a safari issue. As for iTunes I only use that on the iMac so it could be an issue with that computer, it gets the most varied use and has the most other software on it but it was wiped less than a year ago so its not like I have 4 full years of junk on it

 

[Mal67]

It's funny reading this... I've gone the other way and said my goodbye to Windows... except for at work

I was in the Microsoft store this week and noticed the new Dell XPS 13 with the edge to edge screen. It looks nice, has the new Broadwell CPU, but... it's running Windows 8.1 which I hate.
As a PC technician who has only worked with PC's (primarily) for the last 20 years, I'd be the first to slam Mac's in the past, but now I'll be the first to say how great they are to work on. That's no to say they too don't have their faults, both camps do, but Microsoft... I don't know what they were thinking with the Metro interface. It's crap. 150% crap. Software companies are suppose to make our lives easier, not more frustrating and confusing. Every time I have to help someone with their Windows 8 PC I just want to slam my head against a wall repeatedly. With Windows 7, at least you know what's open etc... it's easy to navigate... with 8, it's extremely frustrating to use just trying to navigate around, see what's open, and get back to your open application.
On a quick note, I have been using the Windows 10 Beta at work, and it's a much, much needed improvement over 8.1. But still, they need to axe the Metro interface.
Back on topic, I went the other way because of how nice OS X is to use. Also, when you compare OS X to Windows 8... it's so much more of a cleaner interface. Sure OS X isn't immune to problems, as with any OS, but the overall experience using OS X a lot better, which is why that Dell may have looked good, had newer specs, but it was still running 8. A turd in a skirt

And I'm not really bias because I've always been a big PC gamer (and PC Technician) but I can't stand the direction MS is going with Windows.
Also, in regards to the hardware since people always bash Apple, if you really break things down, you get far better parts and build quality with Apple. My T430 at work cost well over 1K and didn't come with a backlit keyboard, the thing is all plastic, no aluminum, and doesn't have a glass trackpad. As well, a point that most probably don't notice... The $899 Air gives you the Intel 5000 Graphics. Find me a PC Laptop around $1000 with the Intel 5000. I haven't found one. It's all 4200/4400/4600, with half the performance. Apple always gives you the full fledge Intel graphics even with their lowest offerings.
That Dell XPS 13", it uses the Intel 5500. When Apple releases their refresh, if Rumours are true it'll have the Intel 6000. Now why couldn't Dell use that? PC manufactures are always charging more, and giving you less. They skimp in area's they think people won't notice.

Anyways, my 2 cents. Sorry for the long post.

I don't mind windows 8.1 but then I hardly ever go into the Metro Space. Also I've noticed a lot of middling priced pcs often include a dedicated graphics processor. Not always though as some give you the choice between extra memory or the graphics card. Toshiba had a good one last year I saw that had the dedicated graphics card, quad core processor, 8 gig of memory along with touchscreen for a slightly above the aforementioned price however I didn't think the build was much to write home about.

 

[Lahmy88]

Well, after several years of Apple laptop ownership, we are going back to Windows on our next laptop. We converted during the "Hi I'm a PC" ads, and loved how the Mac truly just worked. But now, after it seems Apple has overextended OS X with features and neglected the everyday cleanup up of code, we can no longer justify the premium price. Our laptops hang, apps stop running, the iMac, Air, and Mini frequently bomb overnight, iTunes sync is a mess, the gray screen of death is becoming more common, and the spinning beachball is a common occurrence. Even my friends are saying that they "aren't as happy with Apple as we used to be." So, do I spend $1,800 on the next MBA, or do I spend $850 on a souped-up Windows PC? I can buy two of those in four years and still come out ahead. I hope that Apple is again worth the price someday.

Seeya mate # Look forward to seeing ya forum post in a few months saying how much ya loathe ya piece of **** PC with Windows and that you're gunna have to hock it for a quarter of it's original price (because no PC can be considered a desirable product, thus low resale values), and you'll be asking advice on which Mac suits your needs best. ## Talk to you then

 

[loon3y]

i always been a PC guy, but i had to get a macbook since 2010 because of Xcode.


i love both, my desktop (gaming rig) will always be a PC and my laptop will always be a mac. I like alienware and razor are great but i love having my own build for a desktop, and carrying 2 laptops while traveling isn't great.


with that said i had no problems with what the OP has said.

As for the lag, you have a MBA, if you're going to give it a hard run, don't get a MBA. Those things are very slow, i7, whatever it is, it just doesn't have the power. What you're telling me, sounds like my 2010 13" macbook pro before i got may 15" retina a week ago.

I ran parallels (with windows bootcamp) on my old 13", multiple versions of SQL server, IIS server, ERP software, along with Xcode on the mac side, iOS simulator, evernote, skitch, etc etc.


At times it was ok, at times it would crash, at times i'd have to restart it because it lagged. But was i surprised? no, I'm running a 5 year old computer. The MBA i was never found of, it just isn't powerful enough.

so maybe you're giving it too many tasks, tasks it can't handle. You'd better off with a 13" rMBP even, but if you're gonna spend $2000 grand then might as well get the 15" for $500 more.


I see some bugs here on there on yosemite but nothing huge. I had the horrid windows vista, again it wasn't as bad as people claimed it to be.

Windows 7, 8.1 are fine. Never did my Air 2 crash like you have mentioned. iOS, mobile OS generally are still new, it does crash sometimes but its nearly impossible to make things bug free. But again, sometimes its the OS, sometimes its the hardware limitations, sometimes its faulty code in the App.

the hardware is great, but it seems like you're above an basic user, so maybe the MBA doesn't cut it.

but the thing i don't like is the soldering of Drive and ram. for the rMBP maybe it saves space soldering it in.


as or the mac-minis i was really disgusted that they soldered it in and got rid of the quad-core model. Not to mention soldering in the iMac ram too. It feels the equivalent of selling 8GB iPhone 5Cs, when you only have what really 4GB of storage?


Apple has money, they shouldn't be short handing consumers. i mean how hard is it for apple to just sell 32, 64, and 128 GB storage spaces? not hard at all, but then again its great marketing to sell a lot more 64GB with keeping the 16GB option and leaving out the 32GB for the older iPhone models.

 

[Zeos]

MY FRIGGIN GOODNESS!

I read the first page, and its full of everyone saying the OS is crap, and you're always waiting with that Pinwheel thing
WHAT??? I've never heard a single person say any of that ever happened to them. TouchID doesn't fail (yeah, there can be manufacturing defects), touchscreen will ALWAYS recognize your touch, even when its cracked beyond recognition, Spotlight is ok, but it never fails, (dont know about Safari in 6plus, but what?).

Unfortunately, that really is our experience. Note, that in Apple's latest iOS update, they specifically call out the Spotlight error, so Apple itself cofirms that one. You're one of the lucky ones having no errors at all and I hope that continues for you.

 

[MacStu09]

I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that OSX has been going downhill recently. I've never hated an OS as much as Yosemite...okay, well maybe Vista...lol

But seriously, the issues I've experienced with Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite (albeit less on Mavericks) have just been disheartening. Snow Leopard was so awesome that it is still my preferred OS, and I still have 2 macs running it. I hate how my newer macs are significantly more powerful but run into so many more problems, and beach balls...so many beach balls...

So as for Yosemite vs Windows? I'd take windows 7 any day. Still not a fan of 8, but even it blows Yosemite out of the water.

I don't know why people have such brand loyalty. Go with the product that is best. I could care less who is better, I will just give the better one my business. If Apple gets their crap together and releases an awesome OS update next time around, I will gladly switch to it. Or if Windows 10 really is a significant, stable improvement, I'll switch to it.

But right now, it's all Snow Leopard, Windows 7, and occasionally Mavericks for me.

 

[motrek]

I have three macs, a 2010 mac mini, a 2010 iMac and a 2013 macbook air. Safari has issues on all three, the mac mini and the macbook air have both recently been fully wiped and yosemite reinstalled so its clearly a safari issue. As for iTunes I only use that on the iMac so it could be an issue with that computer, it gets the most varied use and has the most other software on it but it was wiped less than a year ago so its not like I have 4 full years of junk on it

Never said you did have 4 years of junk on your computer. That's not the only reason computers work poorly.

Computers are as complicated as cars, probably moreso.

Would you log into a car forum and start complaining that your car "doesn't work"? Do you think that's a valid, useful description of a problem with a car? Do you think anybody could diagnose and help solve the problem of your car "not working"? Why would you expect anything different with a computer?

If you want any help sorting out what's wrong with your computers you're going to have to give us more to go on than them "not working."

So, what's wrong with Safari? I mean, clearly you don't know the diagnosis of the problem, but what is causing you to think it "has issues"?

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...
But seriously, the issues I've experienced with Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite (albeit less on Mavericks) have just been disheartening. Snow Leopard was so awesome that it is still my preferred OS, and I still have 2 macs running it. I hate how my newer macs are significantly more powerful but run into so many more problems, and beach balls...so many beach balls...
...

Why is everybody complaining about beach balls. I never see beach balls. What are you doing when you see these beach balls? What does Activity Monitor say is going on? What's showing up in Console? Or do you just stare at the pretty spinning colors?

 

[Ulenspiegel]

...Why is everybody complaining about beach balls. I never see beach balls. What are you doing when you see these beach balls? What does Activity Monitor say is going on? What's showing up in Console? Or do you just stare at the pretty spinning colors?

Not complaining. Stating. Sharing experience.

How long have you been a Mac user not seeing a beachball?

Anyway, let me introduce to you the Apple Beachball:

 

[motrek]

Not complaining. Stating. Sharing experience.

How long have you been a Mac user not seeing a beachball?

Anyway, let me introduce to you Apple Beachboy:

My most recent run of Apple use is the last 7 years. Of course I see beachballs but it is not a frequent occurrence (certainly not daily) and they don't last for long--certainly nothing to complain about.

Again, what do the Activity Monitor and console have to say about what's going on when you're seeing "so many beachballs..."?

 

[Ulenspiegel]

I thought you would like the pic.

Well, Beachball can occur in different situations. In most cases you don't see anything special in Activity Monitor.
I usually see the Beachball when my net connection is acting up for some seconds.