Goodbye Hummer!

[killr_b]

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ground clearance (inches): 11.1 (range rover)
(http://www.automotive.com/2005/12/land-rover/range-rover/specifications/index.html)

Tires make a huge difference and yes, the stock tires that come on rovers suck. But that's because it gives a better ride to have appropriately sized tires for cars instead of a 6" sidewall.

The LR3/RR sport can go through 27" of water. I don't know if I have to cite that too for you.

The Hummers Air suspension isn't crossed linked, meaning air cannot be let out of one shock but not the others. Therefore the Land Rover has a better air suspension system.

Land Rover website:
Range Rover- 11 inches
LR3 - 7.3 inches

Range Rover and LR3 fording-
ooo, an extra 3 inches.

Range Rover Price- $80,000!!!! Screw that. Rather get an H1.

 

[ErikCLDR]

Land Rover website:
Range Rover- 11 inches
LR3 - 7.3 inches

Range Rover and LR3 fording-
ooo, an extra 3 inches.

Range Rover Price- $80,000!!!! Screw that. Rather get an H1.

LR3 and Range Rover sport have 7.3 at its lowest, and 9.5" ground clearance in extended profile mode. Thats another good thing about Rovers, you don't need a ladder to get into them with the height adjustable suspension.

3" between crossing a river and ruining your engine 😛

At least the Rover has an interior worth the money. Probably one of the best interiors of any car, ever. The hummer you're paying $50-$60k, maybe more for what- a dashboard that came out of a chevy malibu. Oh wait, that gear shifter is different....

Oh yea, too bad you can't buy an H1 anymore, it really is quite unfortunate. Personally I'd not drive around daily in a spine breaking giant H1. I really think the H2 and H3 are a joke to the true Hummer name. Now that they've discontinued the civilian H1 in my mind it's ruined the spirit of the car.

 

[QuantumLo0p]

I don't think the future of cars lies in hydrogen technology, or at least thats not how it's looking at the moment.

To get the hydrogen you either run electricity through water or get it from oil. In that most of America is powered by fossil fuel power plants it just means more nonrenewable resources will be used elsewhere. Yes, we can develop nuclear, and we should but too bad we're years behind and it'll never happen because of environmentalists. We could use wind, but its not that efficient and doesn't work if it's windy, and solar is extremely expensive and doesn't work 1/2 the time.

Furthermore hydrogen cars have saftey concerns and storing hydrogen is dangerous and takes a lot of energy because it needs to be compressed.

You seem to be suggesting that we will never have any resources besides that which is nonrenewable. (btw, technically coal and oil are renewable but the enviro extremists will never admit that. It still emits a lot of CO2) You are looking at the present, not the future. If all we considered were the present then everything we are doing is for nothing, which is obviously not true. Progress is being made and we ARE moving forward. I just wish the current discussion about climate change would include data on natural contribution, not simply that from human. So much for a real complete theory but oh well.

As for hydrogen, I suspect it will play a huge part in our future energy needs. One reason being we will have more energy from wind, solar and hydro that can help supply our needs. Nuclear is a very good source as well. Even Greenpeace has endorsed nuclear. Back to HHO gas for a moment, if we produce it from readily available, clean energy it makes a lot of sense. It burns so much more efficiently than gasoline and diesel.

As for storage there are some good ways to store it safely and efficiently. Compressing HHO or H gas is dangerous and liquid storage is dangerous also. Take a look at United Nuclear's HHO storage solution. It is safe and it seems to work. I'm sure there are many solutions out there. One problem is market acceptance.

I think all the current hybrid technology is a total waste of time and resources. The carbon footprint before they get to market is deplorable, replacement parts are expensive and my biggest peave about them is they are a temporary solution, a band-aid solution at best.

In view of the harm hybrids are doing to finding a sustainable solution I think hybrid production should cease and spend the money on research and development of a better solution.

Here's the kicker, Toyota and GM have both said hybrids don't make a lot of sense but they are producing them because they know they can sell them. I feel insulted.

I'm getting bored. Let's start another thread to discuss how ethanol is such a bad idea and how it is helping push us into recession.

I have hope that common sense will prevail over the rash views and policies we currently are enduring.

 

[QuantumLo0p]

LR3 and Range Rover sport have 7.3 at its lowest, and 9.5" ground clearance in extended profile mode. Thats another good thing about Rovers, you don't need a ladder to get into them with the height adjustable suspension.

3" between crossing a river and ruining your engine 😛

At least the Rover has an interior worth the money. Probably one of the best interiors of any car, ever. The hummer you're paying $50-$60k, maybe more for what- a dashboard that came out of a chevy malibu. Oh wait, that gear shifter is different....

Oh yea, too bad you can't buy an H1 anymore, it really is quite unfortunate. Personally I'd not drive around daily in a spine breaking giant H1. I really think the H2 and H3 are a joke to the true Hummer name. Now that they've discontinued the civilian H1 in my mind it's ruined the spirit of the car.

Yup. the social re-engineering we are being subjected to is fascist. Soon we will outlaw such language about H1's and it will be illegal to say we like the H1 just as hate speech legislation is being passed.

So much for free speech.
😡

 

[iGav]

Check out the stock H3 action.

That is very impressive indeed.

I'm not sure about this, having never seen an H2 or H3 in the dirt

"There's no arguing with its potency is there"

Now they could have done the test with a smaller car, closer to the Prius size, or a less powerful (more efficient) diesel closer to the Prius performance, but they didn't need to.

Indeed, they could've compared it to a 6 year old Audi A2 TDi, but that would've made the Prius look very silly indeed.

Spend another couple of hundred on it, and it starts making 520d's look very silly as well. 😀

Hell my Elise managed to return 32mpg blasting up the motorway at 95mph. If I drove at 60-70mph I'd get to near 40mpg.

As it should do with a 1.8 in 900kg body. 😛

 

[hulugu]

...btw, technically coal and oil are renewable but the enviro extremists will never admit that....

With the modifier technically, I think you're trying to slip something under the door. Can you provide something more specific about why you consider coal and oil 'renewable.'

Yup. the social re-engineering we are being subjected to is fascist. Soon we will outlaw such language about H1's and it will be illegal to say we like the H1 just as hate speech legislation is being passed.

So much for free speech.
😡

🙄

Sure, because there's already laws against having an opinion on a certain product.

Oh wait.

I think you owe that strawman an apology. 😉

 

[Mousse]

This "study" has its flaws as well, but I will stick to the topic.

Too true. I put little stock in research that undergoes zero peer review.🙄 I recall hearing a study that said smoking wasn't harmful and didn't cause lung cancer.😕😱

 

[pooky]

With the modifier technically, I think you're trying to slip something under the door. Can you provide something more specific about why you consider coal and oil 'renewable.'

If you're willing to wait 100 million years, then yes, they're perfectly renewable. Coal is tougher (since we don't have the extensive peat bogs that were present when most coal formed), but oil is most likely always being renewed, albeit VERY slowly.

In fact, we could use oil perpetually if we'd just reduce our usage of it to match the rate at which it is formed. A few hundred liters per year for the planet ought to do it.

 

[carve]

Good.

 

[ErikCLDR]

I think all the current hybrid technology is a total waste of time and resources. The carbon footprint before they get to market is deplorable, replacement parts are expensive and my biggest peave about them is they are a temporary solution, a band-aid solution at best.

In view of the harm hybrids are doing to finding a sustainable solution I think hybrid production should cease and spend the money on research and development of a better solution.

Here's the kicker, Toyota and GM have both said hybrids don't make a lot of sense but they are producing them because they know they can sell them. I feel insulted.

I'm getting bored. Let's start another thread to discuss how ethanol is such a bad idea and how it is helping push us into recession.

I have hope that common sense will prevail over the rash views and policies we currently are enduring.

I completely agree with you. Hybrids are a waste of time, effort, and money. How about this, buy the gas version of the car you want to buy, and donate the price difference to research. I mean I don't see why people don't look at the numbers, you save nothing by driving a hybrid except a small amount of CO2 that in the big picture, probably doesn't matter. If you want to help out spend your money developing new forms of energy instead of spending it on the "quick fix hybrid" that really isn't a fix. If you're doing highway driving you're better off buying a diesel as most hybrids don't do that well on the highway.

Ethanol is the worst idea ever. It's not efficient at all and if we wanted to run entirely on ethanol the entire United States would have to be corn fields except for Delaware.

 

[hulugu]

If you're willing to wait 100 million years, then yes, they're perfectly renewable. Coal is tougher (since we don't have the extensive peat bogs that were present when most coal formed), but oil is most likely always being renewed, albeit VERY slowly.

In fact, we could use oil perpetually if we'd just reduce our usage of it to match the rate at which it is formed. A few hundred liters per year for the planet ought to do it.

That's what I was getting at, QL used the phrase "technically" but it's a pretty widely cast net to describe both solar and coal as renewable. Using the same logic, everything element we've ever dug up will be renewed, except for the material used in various far-flung space missions.

 

[Sdashiki]

If you want to help out spend your money developing new forms of energy instead of spending it on the "quick fix hybrid" that really isn't a fix. If you're doing highway driving you're better off buying a diesel as most hybrids don't do that well on the highway.

I disagree.

Hybrids for daily commutes are a better idea than any strictly gasoline option.

Having to basically never burn any fuel on your to-from work is a great idea for people looking to save $ on fuel.

Screw the CO2 offset, screw the environment, Im interested in cold hard $.

however, the increase in price for a hybrid vs non-hybrid of the same model may not really let this situation work.

Which is why I am waiting for plug in hybrids from the manufacturer (vs paying $3k to mod your own hybrid)...

 

[hulugu]

Hybrids are a stop-gap and will be necessary until fully-electric cars are available. Of course, this is dependent on the R&D to continue past the current hybrid models like the Toyota Prius and Chevy Tahoe towards models like the Tesla.

 

[cycocelica]

Too true. I put little stock in research that undergoes zero peer review.🙄 I recall hearing a study that said smoking wasn't harmful and didn't cause lung cancer.😕😱

If you honestly want to know the flaws I speak of please PM and stop the attempts at humor.

 

[ErikCLDR]

I disagree.

Hybrids for daily commutes are a better idea than any strictly gasoline option.

Having to basically never burn any fuel on your to-from work is a great idea for people looking to save $ on fuel.

Screw the CO2 offset, screw the environment, Im interested in cold hard $.

however, the increase in price for a hybrid vs non-hybrid of the same model may not really let this situation work.

Which is why I am waiting for plug in hybrids from the manufacturer (vs paying $3k to mod your own hybrid)...

Hybrids are a waste if you're trying to save money. It will take years to make back the extra money you spend on a hybrid vehicle. And in that 6+ year time you're going to be paying maintenance and repairs on not just the car and gas engine in it, but also the electrical part of the hybrid system.

I would rather go out and buy a diesel than a hybrid, or just get the gas version, save a bunch of dough and use that for gas.

 

[quagmire]

I disagree.

Hybrids for daily commutes are a better idea than any strictly gasoline option.

Having to basically never burn any fuel on your to-from work is a great idea for people looking to save $ on fuel.

Screw the CO2 offset, screw the environment, Im interested in cold hard $.

however, the increase in price for a hybrid vs non-hybrid of the same model may not really let this situation work.

Which is why I am waiting for plug in hybrids from the manufacturer (vs paying $3k to mod your own hybrid)...

You won't be able to use that cold hard $$$ if the environment is so screwed you can't live in it. But, that won't happen in your lifetime. You're willing to screw your off spring for your own selfishness. 😡🙁

 

[cycocelica]

Hybrids are a waste if you're trying to save money. It will take years to make back the extra money you spend on a hybrid vehicle. And in that 6+ year time you're going to be paying maintenance and repairs on not just the car and gas engine in it, but also the electrical part of the hybrid system.

I would rather go out and buy a diesel than a hybrid, or just get the gas version, save a bunch of dough and use that for gas.

O RLY?

 

[Ugg]

What if a Hummer were hydrogen powered? Perhaps it could be more efficient than a prius. Not to mention the data suggesting a prius has huge carbon footprint (much more than many vehicles) before it even rolls of the showroom floor.

Everyone thinks that efficiency is only a matter of fuel consumption.

How much oil is used to make the steel and tires in a hummer, much less how much oil is used in the engine?

Now, if that hummer was hauling a maximum load or maximum # of people, you might have a point. However, that's rarely, if ever, the case.

 

[Ugg]

Hybrids are a stop-gap and will be necessary until fully-electric cars are available. Of course, this is dependent on the R&D to continue past the current hybrid models like the Toyota Prius and Chevy Tahoe towards models like the Tesla.

You make a very good point. One of the biggest stumbling blocks for hybrids or for all electric cars is battery technology. There needs to be a quantum leap before they become mainstream.

 

[exabytes18]

I like how some people completely discredit hybrids and the prius.

We own a Prius and it's actually fun to drive. Ok, that's beside the point. The first month or so, yeah, it gets decent fuel economy (45mpg). Once it's properly broken-in and you learn to drive it properly, you can exceed what the EPA states. Yeah, you can get >50mpg darting around town. I'm not talking about hypermiling, just plain old smart driving habits.

Our Prius consumes HALF the fuel as our Camry for the same trip. That's real world performance... and that's what matters to me. Burning half the fuel and going just as far over the entire lifetime of the vehicle.

Now if we could replace some hummers with Priui...

And that whole Prius/Hummer article is flamebait.

 

[quagmire]

I like how some people completely discredit hybrids and the prius.

We own a Prius and it's actually fun to drive. Ok, that's beside the point. The first month or so, yeah, it gets decent fuel economy (45mpg). Once it's properly broken-in and you learn to drive it properly, you can exceed what the EPA states. Yeah, you can get >50mpg darting around town. I'm not talking about hypermiling, just plain old smart driving habits.

Our Prius consumes HALF the fuel as our Camry for the same trip. That's real world performance... and that's what matters to me. Burning half the fuel and going just as far over the entire lifetime of the vehicle.

Now if we could replace some hummers with Priui...

And that whole Prius/Hummer article is flamebait.

I have 2 problems with hybrids. Before we had the Camry hybrid, etc they looked UGLY. The Prius, Insight, etc. Why couldn't they look like normal cars? I hate how people think they are so superior to others when they have a Prius. Seriously, stop driving around thinking you're driving a vehicle that will save us all from OMG global warming. If you were truly concerned about the environment you would of bought the Prius or Insight when gas was $1.50 a gallon. It only became popular once gas hit $3 a gallon. Though that isn't a bad thing about hybrids per se, just how the image screws with peoples ego.

Yeah, the Prius is fun to drive. 😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtg2gGdmmzI

 

[idyll]

A friend of a relative's has one and took us for a ride once. I could not believe how small it was on the inside, ha. Fun ride though.

 

[exabytes18]

Yeah, the Prius is fun to drive. 😉

Nah, really. The game completely changes. Hybrid enable so much more... sneaking up on unsuspecting friends... trying to run entire on battery power... trying to achieve triple digit MPGs.

Obviously, it's a different fun factor than driving a sports car, but at least you conserve some energy this way. 😉

 

[quagmire]

Nah, really. The game completely changes. Hybrid enable so much more... sneaking up on unsuspecting friends... trying to run entire on battery power... trying to achieve triple digit MPGs.

Obviously, it's a different fun factor than driving a sports car, but at least you conserve some energy this way. 😉

You might want to rethink that conserve energy when you have fun with your Prius. 😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP6fe6i1vaY


Ok, now I am just ruining your fun. Got to love Top Gear. 🙂

 

[exabytes18]

You might want to rethink that conserve energy when you have fun with your Prius. 😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP6fe6i1vaY


Ok, now I am just ruining your fun. Got to love Top Gear. 🙂

I understand. All in good humor.

The last 5 seconds of that video are key. Okay, I suppose enough of hijacking this thread. 😛