I care because of all the mis-information posted in this forum.
Additionally, I missed the part where it is stated that only folks living in North America can participate in this thread.
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Google Again Criticizes Apple for Not Adopting RCS for Messages App: 'Their Texting is Stuck in the 1990s'
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Additionally, I missed the part where it is stated that only folks living in North America can participate in this thread.
I agree that trust in big tech is probably misplaced, but you have to choose what you believe is the lesser evil, given limited choices.
As I understand it, iMessage is E2E encrypted by a key on your phone. However, if you make an encrypted iCloud backup, Apple holds the iCloud encryption key, again, as I understand Google does on their platforms.
If you don’t want your iMessages to be subject to be compromised in any circumstance, don’t back them up on iCloud. There are tons of third party backup solutions.
Your original comment "In fact none of the service provider in my part of the world implements/supports RCS."
I was curious what part of the world does not currently support RCS.
You can still deduct social graph from hashes. Numbers themselves are not interesting, but they work as a unique global identifies for a person (even with a cryptographic hash).
You can either choose to give WhatsApp access to individual photos (which clumsy UX) or to the whole library. Latter gives the app permission to read (analyze) any photos from the library. Furthermore, if you give access to all photos, WhatsApp can read all metadata, like GPS coordinates. Not sure if metadata includes faces Apple Photos have identified from the photos or would WhatsApp need to run face analysis independently.
I do not claim that it WhatsApp actually does analyze photos and I would be surprised if it would be sending large number of photos to Meta, but when you give access for it to analyze your photos (locally) that becomes a possibility. (Like if you leave your front door unlocked, it does not necessarily lead to someone stealing your belongings)
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Sounds like google has to fix something, or many somethings. A complete spec would have iMessage receiving texts.
Think that’s the point about rcs being a half-baked spec.
The only major country where SMS is still relevant is the US, which is also one of the few markets where Apple has a dominating market share.
The rest of the world is using WhatsApp, WeChat, Telegram etc and doesn't care about RCS improving upon SMS at all, the only SMS messages I get are for logins.
Not according to ATT.
They are saying that iMessage currently cannot read or display RCS.
They’re not adopting it because the carriers don’t require it for non-Android phones. It’s not like the iPhone ISN’T depending on the carriers for SMS/MMS, it’s the same for RCS.
No, Apple knows that the world doesn’t care about iMessage. The world is already using “anything else” for messaging. Apple ALSO knows that the world doesn’t care about RCS.
Unpopular opinion: I would love to see Apple and Meta together build interoperability to WhatsApp for group messaging and calls.
I do not trust Meta, but have many friends (in Europe) who use WhatsApp exclusively. Thus I am forced to use their terrible web app.
As Apple customer (hear me out Tim Apple), it would be great if I could participate in WhatsApp groups, receive WhatsApp calls and WhatsApp messages without installing, using or registering to WhatsApp.
While this would essentially lock the Meta ownership of worlds communications for anyone but Apple customers, it would be a good user experience for everyone.
I do not trust Meta, but have many friends (in Europe) who use WhatsApp exclusively. Thus I am forced to use their terrible web app.
As Apple customer (hear me out Tim Apple), it would be great if I could participate in WhatsApp groups, receive WhatsApp calls and WhatsApp messages without installing, using or registering to WhatsApp.
While this would essentially lock the Meta ownership of worlds communications for anyone but Apple customers, it would be a good user experience for everyone.
It really doesn’t matter what they have to do. For each carrier it’d be different and, in our current reality, the vast majority of carriers in the world have made the decision that WHATEVER the amount of work required, they’re not interested in doing it.
You should probably mention that to the billions of folks with feature phones that are using SMS. They’d be surprised to know that what they are using right now is not an option.
Some in the Android community wish that Android would accept that RCS is dead.
The sooner Android accepts RCS is dead, the sooner we can choose the next messaging platform that matters
As the rest of the world has proven, cross-platform messaging is achievable — even without RCS
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The most obvious answer is that it isn’t a global standard; look at the replies in this thread.
That would seem to be a carrier problem unless carriers assume that Apple is going to fix everything for them. Not.
Surprised me as well. Uncharacteristic. Hope he was just having a bad day.
And, as long as this is the case, SMS will always be around. I know folks today are using their smartphones with unlimited 5G data and can’t see why EVERY solution available today doesn’t assume that’s the baseline for EVERY phone that people use to message with.
To be fair, they don’t control the world’s entire cellphone market as there are still plenty of feature phones without iOS or Android on them. All happily using SMS.
He’s tired of everyone wanting Apple to solve their problems that they could solve themselves.
Google, heal thyself!
The carriers state on their websites that RCS is supported when using Google Messages. If someone’s not using Google Messages, my expectation is they don’t get the message, regardless of if they’re using a feature phone (that doesn’t have Google Messages) or a non-Android phone (that also doesn’t have Google Messages).
You wanted to know how it would help you considering RCS isn’t supported where you live and you don’t use iMessage. It won’t help you, nor will it hurt you, but it will improve the experience for plenty of people in North America. I didn’t say you couldn’t participate, but since it doesn’t impact you either way, I’m not sure why you care.
It’s an issue with the rcs spec. Rcs spec should allow for clients that aren’t rcs compatible. It’s a google issue.
Again, the article says RCS, not RCS in the USA or North America. I'm pointing out that it doesn't help me. And I also said there's lots of mis-information posted. Heck, someone even pointed out that folks in Canada doesn't use iMessage much.
If Apple implemented RCS improves Apple user's experience, you can bet that it will be implemented. So far, from what I can infer from the post here, only a handful on more vocal folks wants it. Most don't care from what I can tell. So why should Apple do it? Because Google wants to?
I want Apple to spend their development budget on features that improves their user's experiences, me beign one of them. RCS is not one of them.
Finally, there are already cross platform solutions for messages. Being stubborn and not using them, like what the rest of the world is doing, is not Apple's fault.
I am from UK too. I do not have WhatsApp and defo not cut off socially. 😂 Everybody I know use iPhone so all use iMessage. Some do have WhatsApp as backup or work. It all depends what your friends and family use. Some iPhone only and some android only. Besides family usually end all same mobile either iPhone or android.
