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Google Again Criticizes Apple for Not Adopting RCS for Messages App: 'Their Texting is Stuck in the 1990s'

btrach144 said:
RCS is better all around than SMS. Why is everyone here being pro Apple when clearly apple is in the wrong
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Why si Apple wrong again ?
Apple has iMessages that most iPhone users are happy with.
Google can develop RCS messaging client for iOS, problem solved.
it took google 5 years to developd ecent massaging app, they probably killed 3 apps so far, why would Apple trust google ?
what if Google asks Apple to use another standard in 3 years ? should Apple do it ?

People have freedom to choose mobile phones, if peoiple want RCS stabdard then they should buy android phone.
 
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enterthemerdaverse said:
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I just use email. Everyone has it on their phone. The only texts I get are from those payment reminders.

Edit : to the few Disagree votes I got. You don’t use email? 😂
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Use email but it is not for messaging.
Signal, Telegram, Teams, etc...
Unfortunately you cannot make these default in iOS.
I have far too many systems that notify via text.
 
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bostonMAC said:
Because iMessage gives Apple a strategic advantage and RCS would level the playing field with non Apple devices. So this has everything to do with iMessage and green bubbles.
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iOS gives advantage to Apple so Apple should use Android OS on their phones ?
 
bodonnell202 said:
No really, have you ever tried to send a photo or video to an Android user via iMessage. You may think it works based on what you see in the app, but the Android user receives pixelated garbage. That's what needs to be fixed here.
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Sad thing is RCS works every bit as good as iMessage.
Be better to see these groups work together.
On a global scale iMessage is second rate.
 
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AT&T just implemented RCS in February. It won't do Apple any use in implementing a service that carriers are utilizing. Give it some time. Once everyone implements it and stabilizes it into a standard, everyone will adopt it. Until then, I'll keep sending links to my Android using brother for him to download photos and videos and just SMS text him.

Oh and adopting RCS won't change the bubbles. Droiders will still be green because they're not going through the iMessage servers. But it will be nice to be able to group chat with them. Stop blaming Apple for something out of their hands. At least this once.

Yes I just made this account for sending this. Yall getting annoying with your repeated RCS whining.
 
Nuno Lopes said:
I don't understand some Apple users. What is the problem that your iPhone phone falls back to RCS when iMessage is not available on the other side rather than SMS?

Do your rather it falls back to SMS ... is that it?

Please explain because I do not get it.
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The problem is that people think Google owns RCS. Google owns an RCS shell. RCS is a standard in of itself. Apple can't implement it until carriers do. It's that simple. Google just needs to shut up. No one wants their data mining product on their phone.
 
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jdb8167 said:
The carriers will have to push Apple to do RCS if they want it. Apple isn't going to support it just because Google wants to whine about it. If the carriers deprecated SMS and said that they would discontinue support then Apple would switch to RCS.
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You do realize a lot of services, companies and 2 Factor services still use SMS.Plus a lot of flip phones and dumb phones across the globe use SMS.Africa and India exists.Plus SMS works without a data plan.
 
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Ignoring the bubble thing, from a technical, privacy and security perspective RCS is simply bad.

It was designed by the GSMA purely to re-involve the carriers and lawful interception in your messaging again. It is flawed by design to intentionally impact your privacy and security. It supports only encryption in transit between your device and the peer and not end-to-end device to device. The protocol itself is known to be flawed both in design and implementation.

The reason Apple do not support this is the same as Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram etc don't support RCS. It's a monumentally bad protocol designed, promoted and operated by bad and incompetent actors and nothing more.

The only thing the telco / provider should be giving you in 2022 is an unrestricted IP connection which you can run whatever messaging platform you like over it. They need to stay the hell out of this game. They failed over and over again with SMS and are doing it again, but intentionally so.

What you're getting is another step away from net neutrality and a march closer to another messaging dystopia.
 
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Nuno Lopes said:
I don't understand some Apple users. What is the problem that your iPhone phone falls back to RCS when iMessage is not available on the other side rather than SMS?

Do your rather it falls back to SMS ... is that it?

Please explain because I do not get it.
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RCS,is not an industry standard. Its over 20+ years old, and is being pushed by Google through Samsung and small Chinese manufacturers.The version of RCS google is trying to push is proprietary and not used by carriers globally.Also encryption is not in vanilla RCS. No way in hell is Apple touching this flaming file of crap.
 
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bodonnell202 said:
No really, have you ever tried to send a photo or video to an Android user via iMessage. You may think it works based on what you see in the app, but the Android user receives pixelated garbage. That's what needs to be fixed here.
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Don't send them photos or videos. I fixed it, saves time, too. 👏
 
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OneBar said:
The problem is that people think Google owns RCS.
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But it does not. So why is that a problem?

OneBar said:
RCS is a standard in of itself.
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Right. As standards go is just like Thread and Apple one of the first to implement it.

OneBar said:
Apple can't implement it until carriers do.
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Is that a matter of fact? Most carriers do as far as I checked. That is way more support than Thread is getting out of device builders at the moment.

OneBar said:
No one wants their data mining product on their phone.
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I understand. But they aren't able to data mine RCS more than they can already do with SMS.

On the other hand will they be able data mining it more say than WhatsApp and many other popular private messaging systems already do?

I'm just trying to understand why the iPhone supporting RCS would be bad ability for its users.
 
Nuno Lopes said:
But it does not. So why is that a problem?



Right. As standards go is just like Thread and Apple one of the first to implement it.



Is that a matter of fact? Most carriers do as far as I checked. That is way more support than Thread is getting out of device builders at the moment.



I understand. They aren't able to data mine RCS more than they can already do with SMS.

No?
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As I already said, AT&T, my carrier, just implemented it less than a year ago. Which means it's new and buggy. My bet is a point update later next year or maybe iOS 17 will implement it. When it's working and reliable.

As for mining, if Google wants Apple to adopt their shell, then yes, they will have direct access to your information on your phone. Much like they have limited access via their apps on your phone. But the messaging protocol will have codes and emails and passkeys and all kinds of fun stuff they can glean. Google is not RCS and Google needs to go get bent about it.
 
Scipster said:
Does Apple have what it takes to be a leader in messaging again?
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Again? Was Apple ever a leader in messaging? SMS has been the leader in messaging for quite some time and, even with the success of WhatsApp, nothing has even come close to that, certainly not Apple.
 
bodonnell202 said:
No really, have you ever tried to send a photo or video to an Android user via iMessage. You may think it works based on what you see in the app, but the Android user receives pixelated garbage. That's what needs to be fixed here.
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It's already fixed. It's called getting an iPhone.

Apple has zero obligation to make life easier for Android users. This isn't a hard concept to understand people.
 
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jeremysteele said:
The carriers have supported it for quite some time...
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Worldwide, very few carriers support it. Which is fine, Google’s not pushing for this worldwide, they’re ONLY interested in getting it implemented by US carriers. And, of them, none are supporting the RCS standard. They gave up on that a few years ago. Today, the US carriers specifically support RCS via the Google Messages app on Android, otherwise known as Google RCS. This is a departure from the RCS that was introduced over a decade ago in that it’s a Google flavor of RCS that requires Google’s involvement to work.

Compare that to what carriers DO support… SMS and MMS. Notice how Google is not required for those technologies to work. If carriers ever support RCS the same way they support SMS and MMS, then it could potentially see the light of day on Apple devices.
 
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OneBar said:
As I already said, AT&T, my carrier, just implemented it less than a year ago. Which means it's new and buggy. My bet is a point update later next year or maybe iOS 17 will implement it. When it's working and reliable.
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So you find the feature useful and you believe that Apple will support once AT&T backbone works better with RCS. Given this you believe that Google pressure is little more than hot air marketing balloon on the subject. If that is the case as a user I'm glad.

Anyone else want to add something against RCS as a fall back messaging protocol replacing SMS?

I understand some people whose mobile digital life revolves around the iMessage bubble don't care less, but in a lot of countries that is not the case ... by the way those other countries actually represent 60% of their sales. In fact users of those other countries actually resort to use messaging systems such as the Facebook's WhatsApp ... because of the limitations of the iPhone for that matter. We all know Facebook practices ... right?

An iPhone only world is no solution for privacy and security ... its simply not pragmatic ... especially with base iPhone prices coming out at $1k. Actually it may turn out to be part of the problem in such a world.
 
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Reason077 said:
I just use WhatsApp. Everyone has it on their phone. The only SMS texts I get are those "enter this code" ID verification texts. And the only people who ever send me Apple iMessages are Americans!
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You might want to research what exactly you are sharing with Meta.

WhatsApp is clever in how it cripples part of the functionality unless you give it access to a set of iOS APIs. This pushes most users to give access to all their address book and photos to Meta. With that Meta has access to most address books and photos in the world.

Meta has one of the most sophisticated AI research teams in the world.

With all the information in your photos (who is there, what they do, when they do, who they do that with, GPS coordinates of the photo, voice profiles from videos, mood analysis for the people, ...) and the info on who you know and when you added them to your contacts, there is a frightening amount of data Meta has about you. And when you combine that with the network of data everyone else around you has about you, it gets even deeper.

Do you *really* trust Mark Zuckerberg with all that info about yourself and your loved ones? Is it worth it?
 
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