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The telecom industry has moved onto RCS, and Apple needs to get with the program here. Some of us would like to be able to send high resolution photos to our friends and relatives with Android phones without having to resort to emailing it to them or otherwise.
The telecom industry hasn’t moved on to RCS. A few carriers worldwide are using RCS, but the industry as a whole is still quite content with the profits they make from SMS. I looked up how many RCS messages are sent per year and, even with the huge number of capable Android phones out there, it was dwarfed by SMS. And even WhatsApp.
 
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Apple should just allow the Google Messages app, which has RCS capability built in, onto the App Store and let the people decide for themselves if the want RCS support or not!
Apple’s not preventing it. Google hasn’t submitted it.
 
Heck I don’t remember SMS in the 90’s. In the early 90’s, my dad went from a bag phone with a pager to a car phone to a Motorola StarTAC. None of those devices had text capacity.

My mother had a car phone then later a StarTAC.

My sister and I were stuck using payphones.
 
Where in Europe do you live? In the Nordic countries it’s ā€œfreeā€ in almost all cell plans? I have one of the cheapest plans, I pay about 20 euro a month for free calls, free texts and mms but rather limited data (only 2gb). It’s almost exclusively the amount of data that drives up the price here…
I’m curious, if you send a video or audio via MMS, does that count against your 2gb?
 
The carriers are making HUGE amounts of money from supporting SMS. They’re not going to drop support for it. That part is a certainty.
And that's the gist of it. There's still carriers outside the US that charge per message, and have silly low data buckets. They're not going to implement RCS.
Google wants to implement their own version RCS. Carriers don't wanna play along. Apple doesn't either, why should they?
 
Heck I don’t remember SMS in the 90’s. In the early 90’s, my dad went from a bag phone with a pager to a car phone to a Motorola StarTAC. None of those devices had text capacity.

My mother had a car phone then later a StarTAC.

My sister and I were stuck using payphones.
I had the MicroTAC (forerunner of the StarTAC and you bet your bippy it had texting. Like, does nobody remember where all that TXT SPK came from?
Although I'll concede that American carriers dragged their butts on implementing SMS, and INTER CARRIER SMS, oh my *fans flushed face*, that took them another half decade.
 
nah, screw the peasant droid users.

apple is supreme, either join them, or cry. we shall never give them control of our stronghold. stay strong men. fight to support apples rights against androids.

cant let androids get a foot into apple territory.
 
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The change here is to replace SMS with RCS, but if RCS fails it has to fall back to SMS, so SMS has to remain until it's killed off by the telecoms industry, and then RCS becomes the lowest level standard.
Are there any dumb phones that support RCS? I’m thinking not as the GSMA which would help direct and implement these sorts of things have given up on RCS and is simply supporting handset makers to continue to release SMS compliant devices. And, as long as that’s the case, there will always be SMS.

Google is thus pushing for RCS to replace SMS, not iMessage.
They’re actually pushing for their brand of RCS, dubbed ā€œGoogle RCSā€ to replace SMS ONLY in the US. Of course, that would make the carrier that made the switch the least popular US carrier overnight as there are a large number of non-Android SMS devices still out there that would not be able to communicate over their network. It’s not surprising that no one is interested in taking Google seriously on this.
 
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So is it the EU's job again? Since the DMA already has wording that says all messengers must be interoperable, do we have to force Apple to implement RCS?
Do you believe that the EU would be pleased to hand over all messaging in EU countries to Googles ā€œGoogle RCSā€ solution? Actually, they’re handing over cell phone OS control to Apple and Google, so maybe so?

And, if they’re pushing for non-EU company solutions anyway, why not WhatsApp? Already way more popular in the EU by far than Google RCS.
 
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I use iMessages, Telegram, WhatsApp. I'm fine with any of them, since they're just tools, and all of them work fairly well. And I don't really begrudge Google or Apple trying to establish or maintain a perceived advantage. That's business, and there are lots of options for any user. Why does one glove have to fit all hands?
There’s just a small number of US only users that see this as a problem(as many have said, other solutions have already taken over SMS’s place depending on the region you’re in). And, that small number haven’t figured out how OR don’t want to figure out how to share using features and tools that were made specifically for sharing short and long form video, audio, images and all sorts of other media. Going back to what Tim Cook was asked, anyone that doesn’t know how to get a high resolution image to their mom, while having access to search engines (ā€œHow to send a good quality pictureā€) and a plethora of tools is working VERY hard at NOT knowing how to solve their problem!

It could also be a simple matter of a person wanting to be able to focus on one conduit for knowing what all their social media contacts are up to BUT not being that ā€œhubā€ kind of person that everyone will change their tool usage habits for. :) They see Google RCS as maybe being their Mattermost!
 
Thank you, I don't understand the people who are against this. Do people prefer to not be able to send full resolution photos and videos to their friends and family who have an Android phone? Do they even realize that when you send a video to an Android user all they receive is a tiny pixelated video that is unwatchable as that is all the SMS standard supports?
I think that MOST people that want to send a video are using some form of social media where that kind of thing is not only supported, but offers far more creative input before posting. And, immediately makes it possible to share with an even wider group with little effort.
 
RCS is so great that Google disabled it in India because of the tons of business spam. Go google!
That was a pretty big black eye and I don’t think they’ve re-enabled it yet. I’d say they should get that straight, first, before trying to do anything else :)
 
I had the MicroTAC (forerunner of the StarTAC and you bet your bippy it had texting. Like, does nobody remember where all that TXT SPK came from?
Although I'll concede that American carriers dragged their butts on implementing SMS, and INTER CARRIER SMS, oh my *fans flushed face*, that took them another half decade.
Well, idk what country you’re in but neither Ameritech Wireless or Cellular One offered text messaging until at least 1999.

Both of them became AT&T or Verizon.
 
Sorry, but incorrect. iMessage will evolve and eventually support a version of RCS in the future, but right now, RCS is a mess of different implementations, not *one* clean, well-designed protocol. That's the issue. I suspect that it's not as well-engineered as Google wants you to think. From what we've heard, it's a mess.
No, it may support some other interoperable protocol, but RCS is about as dead as a technology can be. The GSMA has stopped promoting it and if Google wasn’t pushing ā€œGoogle RCSā€, people wouldn’t even be aware of it!
 
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Meh, eventually Apple being difficult here will piss people off and they’ll look for a solution that doesn’t involve Appleā€˜s hubris.
So Apple not adopting a half-baked, non-encrypted, non-standard method of communication inorder to cater to the whims of a competitor (who coincidentially clearly can't come with their own messaging solution) is, according to you, "being difficult" and showing "hubris"?
 
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All the *US* carriers can use RCS. The joy of SMS is that every carrier in the world supports it. I can text my mother-in-law and not care which country she’s in. Sorted.
SMS is one of those great ā€œjust enough techā€ solutions. Do I need encryption to say ā€œhiā€ to my brother? Or do I need read receipts let a group know ā€œI’ll be there in 5 minutesā€? Do I need to know that a person is typing when I’ve asked them if they need anything from the store? Nope.

Simple, works for as close to 100% of the cellular enabled devices out there, and is available today.
 
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