Yes, that was the “read between the lines” context of that agreement. I’m not convinced that Apple would be good at a search engine so I doubt we are missing anything.
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Google Allegedly Pays Apple Portion of Chrome Search Revenue as Part of Secretive Non-Compete Deal
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Precisely. I could write 1000+ words long rant called “how Google ruined the internet”, but maybe some other time
That's a good thing.
If google kept that money it could use it to develop even more ways to show you ads.
well, they could make their own engine the default search engine on their devices. Right there they would gain a massive market share.
I use google because its the best right now (afaik), tried others, and while I like DDG its not as good.
if Apple comes out with an engine that is as good as google I’ll switch.
yup, don’t trust google but what is there to do if their product is the best? I use some precautions when I’m on google but it feels more like a band aid.
All big money is dirty money. Net result of any of these things are taxpayers on the hook for a lot of GS-13 and above salairies of the DOJ and/or trial lawyers that get new GulfstreamsAnother stupid waste of time. Breaking news. Two businesses have a business deal that benefits both.
The results are not as good. Also DDG is just a wrapper over Bing as they use Bing results in the backend.
To be a credible challenger to Chrome, Safari would have to:
A. Crash frequently.
B. Slow your system to a crawl through memory over allocation.
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A. Crash frequently.
B. Slow your system to a crawl through memory over allocation.
🍸😹🙀
That lower precision is better than all the alternative crap that happens behind the scenes with your searches. I’m a software engineer and I still use duck duck go on my work pc because of general principle. It’s plenty good enough.
They were bought by Oracle? It's people like McNealy who built the industry, whether his company survived or not.
Unless, of course, you want to write a porn app, a companion app for your vape, etc. Then it's up to Apple to make the decisions.
And no, I don't expect Apple to do prevent tracking. Shrill fanboy defenses are so boring. Apple talks out both sides of it's mouth. It pillories Google for violating privacy...only to take $15B/year from them to make a privacy invading search engine the default on all Apple devices. It sells the idea that "what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone" only to let it's developers track pretty much whatever they want. I don't necessarily disagree with your perspective, but, unlike you, I'm willing to call a spade a spade.
It makes perfect sense. Apple happily deceives customers with its illusion of privacy, publicly bashes a competitor for being anti-privacy only to take that competitor's money and make that competitor's privacy-invading search engine the default on all Apple devices... Apple's whole privacy dog and pony show is just that, a show. I appreciate that they're more honest than the rest, but they're far from honest. Privacy is marketing spin to them. Like I said, means to an end $$$.
This is old news. Of course Google pays Apple for that privilege, and Google gladly pays for it. If Microsoft offered more money I’m sure Apple would consider changing its default search engine to Bing.
But
Although I use Private Relay, and sometimes use a VPN, whenever I log into YouTube, I’m automatically logged into Google Search, as they shares the same cookie information.
People keep quoting this meme, but no one has been able to come up with a suitably authoritative study on this.
No, they are simply choosing a default that the user can override.
Of course google hopes for the traffic, but that is all they can do is hope.
Maybe or maybe not.
Agreed. I am using DDG and Apple still gets their billions.
Win-win scenario in my book.
You seem to have missed the point. Microsoft has the vast majority of the desktop/laptop OS. Their browser was installed by default on those machines in the United States and used Bing by default. That stopped neither Chrome from being the dominant nor Google being the dominant search engine even in Microsoft’s own browser.
What makes you think that even if Apple had a search engine, and even if it was competitive, that people would not switch to Google?
I use Duck Duck Go, and every once in a while, if I cannot find something on the first try or two, I will have DuckDuckGo send the query to Google. It is pretty rare and has gotten more rare over time.
The best way to help them improve is to use them until you cannot, helping them generate more revenue to build their product. There may be a small amount of pain when you start, but you should be used to working in a niche.
The differences used to be much more serious. Does not feel that way any more. Try it for a few weeks and see what it is like now. There is a ! Command to get it to pass it to Google. Try doing that on a hard search and compare.
I think the proof of the opposite is true. Microsoft had Bing as the default in the United States and IE as the default browser, but it did not stop people from downloading Chrome nor setting Google as the default. The argument is that Google has the dominant position because they are the default, but I think the evidence shows that it would be the dominant search engine either way.
However, if someone built a sufficiently better one, people would switch. While they might not give up Gmail, there is very little that makes it sticky (inertia - admittedly not nothing, but not that hard to overcome given its lack of easily accessible settings).
Again, the Microsoft example shows that even if Apple picked a different default, people would pick Google on their own.
I think the flip side is true: Google is terrified of people leaving so that they pay for something that they could get for free. If Apple built a better search engine, even if they made it the default, people would switch right up until the felt it was better than Google. The important thing is that it would need to be better than Google to get people to stay.
Maps shows this as well. Despite Apple offering no choice of mapping provider, people still downloaded Google Maps Right up until Maps got good enough to get people not to bother.
From what has need described, it is not a non-compete, just Google paying for even more placement on Apple’s devices. Nothing that has been shown so far indicates that Apple was (or is) building a search engine. Nor has anything been shown that prevents them from doing so. They could be building a search engine while taking this money and when they feel they have something competitive, they could release it.
It's just a matter of time before DDG sells out. And I suspect the same for Bitwarden.
The truth truth is all these Tech companies work with the FBI & CIA. && they give an illusion that they care about our privacy & that they are competing against each other but behind closed doors they all are working together.
The truth truth is all these Tech companies work with the FBI & CIA. && they give an illusion that they care about our privacy & that they are competing against each other but behind closed doors they all are working together.
Excellent point. What is being promulgated then is that people are smart with their windows PCs but dumb as door knobs or lazy with their iPhones.
This is silly. Google is the default because it is the most widely used search engine in the world. Period. Apple does not make it any more difficult for a user to switch to a competing search engine, regardless how much Google pays Apple. And for those who keep spouting how Apple is somehow condoning Google's evil ways, just stop. Apple has added a ton of privacy and security features into Safari (and the OS) to keep malicious practices at bay. So, Apple getting paid for something it would most likely do anyway, is a no brainer. Unless they can prove that Apple somehow coerced Google into paying these fees, there's no wrong doing here. It's just good business on both sides.
Personally, I've used DuckDuckGo for years, but every once in a while open a "private" tab and use Google, usually when searching for obscure parts using their part numbers.
Personally, I've used DuckDuckGo for years, but every once in a while open a "private" tab and use Google, usually when searching for obscure parts using their part numbers.
Do a search for "users don't change default settings" (or similar) and the dominant view is that most users don’t change default settings. I am not aware of any surveys or reports that show the opposite but would love to read them if they exist.
A few examples discussing user habits regarding default settings:
https://medium.com/choice-hacking/h...ansform-your-customer-experience-869cdb140d78
https://archive.uie.com/brainsparks/2011/09/14/do-users-change-their-settings/
https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/default-settings-for-privacy-we-need-to-talk/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/01/default-settings-change-phones-computers
Apple's actions are similar to (although getting paid significant to do so) someone, a company, a newspaper, etc. endorsing a candidate. Obviously, individual can vote for a different candidate just as someone can change the default but by setting Google as the default Apple is endorsing. validating, justifying, etc. use of Google search to its users.
The same would be true with they made DDG the default. In that case, however, it would at least be more in-line with Apple’s claimed privacy beliefs. Of course, they money wouldn't be there which is why Apple has chosen not to do so.
If Apple selected a different search engine as default, Google would lose traffic from Safari users.
I clearly used the words POSSIBLE and ALLEGED.