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Google and Microsoft Vie for iPhone Search Presence

ChazUK said:
Care to share what google have stolen from Apple? (3rd time asking, will I get a response this time?) :confused:
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I wouldn't say they stole from Apple but they obviously copied them. Early prototypes of Android phones looked like WM/RIM-type devices. After the iPhone was shown, suddenly all their phones are multitouch touchscreen devices with the same kind of visual icon layout as the iPhone. Regardless of whether Schmidt was on Apple's board, Google would have done it anyway. It just makes it seem questionable.

I haven't tried Bing search but people should realize that there needs to be a viable alternative to Google. You cannot have one company controlling something as fundamental as a search engine. People who believe that "Don't be evil" model is fooling themselves. Google is as selfish a company as MS or Apple.
 
str1f3 said:
People who believe that "Don't be evil" model is fooling themselves. Google is as selfish a company as MS or Apple.
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It should read "Don't get caught being evil".

I know google.com is the best search engine. however and I see more and more the direction of Google the way of early Microsoft as well as the early Japanese companies of the 80s' I always look for alternatives to Google.

During the 80's when personal computers were new, the Japan based memory companies flooded the market with cheap parts. The parts cost the same to make at the American parts, however the idea was to break the bank of the American companies.

Google gives you everything for free like Microsoft was doing with IE, they live off the cash cow that is advertising (MS was Office / Windows) and searching, but wait and see, some day it won't be for free and it will be so engrained in your day to day and the alternatives will be few that you have no choice to pay.

Remember at one time you actually had to pay for a browser...

Internet Explorer was headed this direction before the antitrust issues and resolution where most browsers are free.. or advertising supported.

ITunes could have been the same for Apple, except you can import your own CD's and get the same level of service (album art etc) now that you can get with a purchased song.

That being said, Google is willing to wait years to corner a market, slowly give you a taste until they decide to cut you off for the sake of "making a profit" which many will support and won't question why they were giving you a taste for free for years and years.

Its not evil, it is sinister...
 
Bing

I've quit using Weather.com due to the Bing map. I hope any deal (if there is one) only involves default search engine. Bing map on the iPhone would suck!! Bing sucks!!!
 
I love Bing!

I use it exclusively and switch people to it from Google all the time.

In addition to blocking Google Analytics, I've pointed google.com to bing.com's ip address in the hosts file for all of the computers in my house as well as my mom & dad, my sister, her kids, my neighbor and their kids. Doing the host file that way is a great work-around for not being able to use bing as a default in Safari.

All these people cheering Google on to a data mining monopoly. Go figure.
 
str1f3 said:
After the iPhone was shown, suddenly all their phones are multitouch touchscreen devices with the same kind of visual icon layout as the iPhone. Regardless of whether Schmidt was on Apple's board, Google would have done it anyway. It just makes it seem questionable.
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Phones were using grid based icons years before the iPhone was even announced yet it us some kind of iPhone first that all of the competition copy? What else could be used for a touch based interface?
Does this look familiar to you?
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May I also remind people that it was public knowledge that Google bought Android INC back in 2005 and if Apple didn't see Google competing in the mobile market then they must have been crazy to have let Schmidt sit in on any iPhone confidential meetings.
 
rwmoore said:
I've quit using Weather.com due to the Bing map. I hope any deal (if there is one) only involves default search engine. Bing map on the iPhone would suck!! Bing sucks!!!
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eh, bing maps knows the correct address for my house, google maps does not (and hasn't since before thanksgiving last year). I have sent in a bug report and have not heard anything...
 
For those who hate search engine X and love search engine Y search

Try this out and report your results... I'm not ashamed to admit that I love Google and hate Bing, but that I chose Bing 50% of the time on this test...

http://blindsearch.fejus.com/

-Brian
 
TMar said:
They would much rather throw money MS's way then Google's at this point.
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google on the iphone is worth $100 million TO APPLE. apple is not paying google to be on there.

putting bing on the phone wouldn't mean apple was paying anybody anything. apple GETS PAID.

i guess whoever they choose is also making money... so that's like throwing money at them?
 
I know I sound contrarian, but I actually like Bing. The image search is far superior than what Google currently offers, for one.

For general search:

Bing or Google, makes no difference to me. I prefer Bing in this case.

Image search:

Bing is superior on this front.

Maps and directions:

Google is the winner here.

People here are failing to realize how much progress Microsoft has made over the years in terms of Internet search. Windows Live Search was awful, but Bing has elevated the quality of Microsoft's search engine to that of Google's.

So much hate... No one here offers even most the balanced of opinions anymore. Apple is an angel, Google is neutral, and Microsoft is the devil and their products suck. So much imbalanced negativity here...
 
Microsoft can make Safari the default web browser for all Windows 7 PCs.
Apple could change from Objective C to Microsoft Visual C#.
Microsoft can use iTunes to sync with their Zune.
Apple could ship Windows 7 with all new Macs under bootcamp.
 
ChazUK said:
Phones were using grid based icons years before the iPhone was even announced yet it us some kind of iPhone first that all of the competition copy? What else could be used for a touch based interface?
Does this look familiar to you?
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Yes the grid view has been around forever but it's abundantly clear that Google imitated the device stylings for the iPhone even in the manner in which device scrolls horizontally and not vertically. Google hasn't even offered any new kinds of gestures for multitouch. It's just the same pinch/zoom gestures on the iPhone. Palm, with a crew of former iPhone engineers, at least has managed to offer a different implementation of gestures on the Pre. No one is imitating that Nokia device.

As for what else could be used for a touch based device besides a grid based icon view, MS seems to be trying to break that mold with WM7.
 
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str1f3 said:
ChazUK said:
Phones were using grid based icons years before the iPhone was even announced yet it us some kind of iPhone first that all of the competition copy? What else could be used for a touch based interface?
Does this look familiar to you?
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Yes the grid view has been around forever but it's abundantly clear that Google imitated the device stylings for the iPhone even in the manner in which device scrolls horizontally and not vertically. Google hasn't even offered any new kinds of gestures for multitouch. It's just the same pinch/zoom gestures on the iPhone. Palm, with a crew of former iPhone engineers, at least has managed to offer a different implementation of gestures on the Pre. No one is imitating that Nokia device.

As for what else could be used for a touch based device besides a grid based icon view, MS seems to be trying to break that mold with WM7.
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What other gestures could Google impliment for multitouch with regards to zooming then? Pinch to zoom wasn't an Apple invention.

Android would only directly immitate the iPhone if you unlocked the device and were met with the applications in the app drawer.

With iPhone its Unlock screen > App icons. With Android you have the unlock screen > customisable widget menu > Application drawer/dropdown notification area which are different enough from the iPhone ui.

The grid based app drawer is just a necessity when trying to show as many applications on a qvga screen (Android was designed for qvga resolution screens). The other option is to have a text list which would be very lengthy with a mass of apps installed.
 
donlphi said:
Agreed. I just hope I have the option to choose in the new iPhone OS and I'm not stuck with one or the other.
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Exactly.

I hate Bing.

If Apple lets us choose if we want bing or google, then I'm fine with it. But if they switch from Google to Bing, then I will be pissed.
 
Ballmer is a douchebag. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was hinting at an iPhone/Bing relationship just to "stir things up".
 
Rot'nApple said:
What would give Apple more...

A competitive deal between Google and/or Bing or others to put their search engine on the iPhone as status quo.

or...

Have Apple create a search engine (or purchase one and rebrand... hello Yahoo!) and then add Quattro Mobile ads for the click through $$$?

Would Apple receive more than what Google is currently paying if Apple just did their own thing or would it be a can of worms and too much of a headache? What does Google earn on search revenue or ad revenue or click through revenue of however they make their money versus what Apple makes by just receiving Google's check and putting them as default on the iPhone?
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Yahoo! and Bing are already merging their search engines and advertising. It should stop having some impact this year.
 
I was actually quite impressed with the demo of Bing-powered search in Windows Phone 7.

Searching "Avatar" for example pulled up not only links to the movie in IMDB and Wikipedia like what google does, but it also pulled up all the showtimes for the 10 or so closest theaters, searched for business nearby and mapped locations in the search results.

While Google offers all of these same features, the demo illustrated how great of a job Microsoft has done at sorting and presenting all of that information in one place.
 
muskratboy said:
google on the iphone is worth $100 million TO APPLE. apple is not paying google to be on there.

putting bing on the phone wouldn't mean apple was paying anybody anything. apple GETS PAID.

i guess whoever they choose is also making money... so that's like throwing money at them?
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Sorry, didn't realize that those two search engines didn't get paid on adds by people using their service. What was I thinking.

G5Unit said:
Why is everyone bashing Bing so much? I find the map function to be as good as if not better than Google's.
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MacRumors, what else can you expect.
 
That's it! The Rebels are there!

'Imperial troops have entered the base, Imperial troops have entered the base! (then Static as it is cut off presumably by the announcer being 'Binged')
 
kresh said:
I use it exclusively and switch people to it from Google all the time.

*****

All these people cheering Google on to a data mining monopoly. Go figure.
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Yes, dump Google and go Bing! Because Microsoft hasn't shown any natural tendency to create and foster abusive monopolies while stifling innovation. Oh wait... :rolleyes:

Bottom line, we're screwed. Google is monopolizing our data and creating a terrifyingly-powerful position in the marketplace and the world of information in general (and I really, really used to like Google), and the only option we have is...Microsoft. Wow. Rock>|Us|<Hard Place

Time for Apple to create (or buy) its own search engine. Or can AltaVista make a comeback? Anyone?
 
LagunaSol said:
Yes, dump Google and go Bing! Because Microsoft hasn't shown any natural tendency to create and foster abusive monopolies while stifling innovation. Oh wait... :rolleyes:

Bottom line, we're screwed. Google is monopolizing our data and creating a terrifyingly-powerful position in the marketplace and the world of information in general (and I really, really used to like Google), and the only option we have is...Microsoft. Wow. Rock>|Us|<Hard Place

Time for Apple to create (or buy) its own search engine. Or can AltaVista make a comeback? Anyone?
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What makes you think Apple would be any better?

Ultimately the search engine game is tied to marketing and advertising (which is what Google is, an advertising company). If Apple were to enter the market with a search engine, they would most likely end up taking the same path Google is currently taking, in the pursuit of greater profits.
 
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