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Net Applications measure browser statistics not OS share, and they only survey a very limited set of sites.

Hey, if you've got another trusted way of measuring OS share of computers "in use" I'm open to suggestions.

Service Packs rarely include new OS features and interface redesign. For some reason XP SP2 is taken as the standard rather than the exception.

To say Windows 7 is a service pack is just blinkered and ignorant.

I'm guessing there's no need to shoot you down again on that one...

"[Windows 7], it's Windows Vista, a lot better,"

—Ballmer
 
I recall during Vista's beta there was nothing but praise for it. It was after mass adoption when the problems start to pile up.
Of course the problems piled up, if third parties couldn't be bothered to write proper drivers, if programmers hadn't updated their software properly.
 
Net share counts unique visits, not every visit... And the 90% stat is international, not regional, but it's true that US citizens tend to be more active on the net...
Are they? Hmmm. I haven't looked at recent numbers but the US was always trailing behind Japan and western Europe quite a bit (in 2007, the US was in the 24th spot). Up until 2005, Sweden was the world leader in internet penetration, broadband in particular, but very very very far from the leader in Mac market share.

There are however a lot of Windows PCs that are completely detached from the web... all the PCs used in manufacturing, cash register systems, ATMs etc... then there's science and medicine, rendering farms, server clusters, millions and millions of PCs that are either unmanned and/or severed from the web. Very few Macs end up that way, they're usually in the hands of consumers, students, creative professionals, i.e. avid surfers for the most part, so they're bound to be overrepresented in web stats.

*LTD* said:
Microsoft is no longer associated with Quality. THAT is the biggest loss a company could incur. Every ad they put out, every response to critics, simply reinforces that image.
Were they ever associated with quality? I've heard people whine about the p*ss poor quality of Windows for nearly 20 years now, yet a crushing majority still use it. Win7 is the first version since Win2K I would call a quality product. It's all of Vista's pros with none of its cons except the plethora of editions and the overconfident pricing, but neither affects the user experience.
 
Hey, if you've got another trusted way of measuring OS share of computers "in use" I'm open to suggestions.
I don't, but that doesn't make their statistics any more accurate or acceptable. You even claimed they are international statistics, most of their sites are American.

And I suppose Balmer saying Windows 7 is Vista but better is in no way comparable to Snow Leopard and Leopard?
 
Of course the problems piled up, if third parties couldn't be bothered to write proper drivers, if programmers hadn't updated their software properly.

Or maybe backwards-compatible support for drivers?

Phasing out of old versions of things?—I remember running Classic apps from OS 9 on 10.3... 5 years into OS X...

Or just better structure/organizing/paradigms?

(any of the above, if implemented, would really help during it's adoption period...)
 
Of course the problems piled up, if third parties couldn't be bothered to write proper drivers, if programmers hadn't updated their software properly.

The drivers are the same, so the issue will continue...simple as that. Win7 is just a serviced Vista and nothing else, as already admitted by the mentally-ill Ballmer.
 
You need to run for the hills, quickly.

Good song :D

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Or maybe backwards-compatible support for drivers?

Phasing out of old versions of things?—I remember running Classic apps from OS 9 on 10.3... 5 years into OS X...

Or just better structure/organizing/paradigms?

(any of the above, if implemented, would really help during it's adoption period...)

Jesus how can you compare Apple's situation to Microsoft's? Apple covers a tiny fraction of software and hardware.
 
I don't, but that doesn't make their statistics any more accurate or acceptable. You even claimed they are international statistics, most of their sites are American.

Well, Google is an American site, that doesn't stop people from other countries from using it...

Just because the sites are American doesn't mean there might be less people from other countries. But yes, in general the US population is more active internet-wise,... And there will always be bias—the internet a creation of humanity, after all.

(I'm from Hong Kong, and I still visit American sites regularly.)

And I suppose Balmer saying Windows 7 is Vista but better is in no way comparable to Snow Leopard and Leopard?
Firstly let me remark that Snow Leopard has an updated kernel for full 64bit support. Vista and 7 uses very much the same. The things rewritten in 7, such as explorer, is also rewritten in Snow Leopard, ie. the Finder.

Second, yes Snow Leopard is just a minor update—that's why it's offered at a discounted price... $29 vs the usual $129...

(And Apple doesn't really need much to fix it's image after Leopard—Leopard was a PR success, after all. Vista is the disaster, and 7 needs to be seen as the "free fix" offered or else Microsoft's image will continue to deteriorate...)



PS. I'm not saying it's really accurate or acceptable but it's the best you can get out there... It's just the lesser of evils...
 
Well, Google is an American site, that doesn't stop people from other countries from using it...

Just because the sites are American doesn't mean there might be less people from other countries. But yes, in general the US population is more active internet-wise,... And there will always be bias—the internet a creation of humanity, after all.

(I'm from Hong Kong, and I still visit American sites regularly.)


Firstly let me remark that Snow Leopard has an updated kernel for full 64bit support. Vista and 7 uses very much the same. The things rewritten in 7, such as explorer, is also rewritten in Snow Leopard, ie. the Finder.

Second, yes Snow Leopard is just a minor update—that's why it's offered at a discounted price... $29 vs the usual $129...

(And Apple doesn't really need much to fix it's image after Leopard—Leopard was a PR success, after all. Vista is the disaster, and 7 needs to be seen as the "free fix" offered or else Microsoft's image will continue to deteriorate...)

Google is a search engine, the Net Applications sites if I remember were sports sites and news sites. A far smaller proportion of international users will visit those sites than will use a search engine.

And thats all Vista was, a PR failure. As an OS it's stable and useable and is still on more machines than XP. Its only the perception of Vista as a failure that has to be addressed.
 
Jesus how can you compare Apple's situation to Microsoft's? Apple covers a tiny fraction of software and hardware.

Well if there's another software/like company out there that makes operating systems that I can use to compare with Microsoft-like market share, let me know.
 
Yep, UP THE IRONS! The best metal band in the world, hands down. In fact, the whole album is a masterpiece...especially after they replaced Gangland with Total Eclipse...:D

I mean come on, If they can sell out every single show on their Flight 666 then, come on!
 
Well if there's another software/like company out there that makes operating systems that I can use to compare with Microsoft-like market share, let me know.

There isn't, so don't bother to compare apples with oranges.
 
I've loaded Windows 7 on 2 computers, a home built PC and a 2 year old IBM Thinkpad. I didn't have to load any drivers for either of them. Not video, not audio, not chipset, networking, nothing. Oh sure, I'm certain you can find plenty of horror stories if you want to go looking. You can find those for any platform.

Drivers aren't nearly the issues for PCs that they were 10 years ago. There has been major consolidation in the hardware landscape. The integrated chipsets out now do most everything that required individual chips and that trend is continuing. The actual amount of "driver" development is miniscule compared to what it once was for you mainstream vendors.

The big issue for Vista was the draconian UAC policies and a couple of issues that had a big impact in performance for some, not all users. 90% of that is fixed with SP2. That and XP SP2/3 was working just fine for most people.
 
I mean come on, If they can sell out every single show on their Flight 666 then, come on!

I have to say, it's by far the best music documentary I've ever seen...even more mindblowing is the fact that their performance, Bruce Dickinson included, is EVEN better than in the 80s...absolutely flawless execution.
 
Google is a search engine, the Net Applications sites if I remember were sports sites and news sites. A far smaller proportion of international users will visit those sites than will use a search engine

Who said so? In fact one of the reasons the internet is so successful is because it erased the factor of physical distance from the equation.

I visit NYTimes daily, and most of the "technologically literate" people in my circle of friends do use reputable American/British sites (such as BBC) as our primary news source. (along with a TV for local news...)

Anyhow, again, if you have another—more accurate—way of measuring market share of active computers feel free to contact me.

And thats all Vista was, a PR failure. As an OS it's stable and useable and is still on more machines than XP. Its only the perception of Vista as a failure that has to be addressed.
Which means that the cost of upgrading really needs to be justified (i.e. cannot rely on good experiences/word-on-the-street/PR of the past).—and when the cost os $0, then it's easily justifiable.
 
There isn't, so don't bother to compare apples with oranges.

Well the entirely new structure/organization of drivers in Vista is why so many dev's never bothered to write drivers in the first place. You need to slowly phase out things, not just change it within one release...

Anyhow @ the thread, my point is just that the if, and only if, Microsoft fails to live up to the 7 hype, there will be a significant drop in market share. Quite a lot will switch to Apple, but Apple's market share will slowly plateau at around, say 30%, and something else has to fill that gap. ChromeOS seems to be a reasonable choice then...
 
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