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Ummm not on my 1080p tv.....

That is not the point here, this is just a portal for what people already have and is a huge waste of money for people to buy. We need to have a place we can watch these things easily and in one place on demand which is the Apple TV, Apple just needs to bring out a cheap subscription plan to watch all the TV shows you want in the month, which I think it will. Google TV is pathetic.
 
Based on what I've seen so far, I have no interest in Google TV.

BUT...if it kicks Apple in the butt and makes them do something with the AppleTV then I'm happy it's here.

I can write a long, long list of complaints about the AppleTV and yet I still adore mine. Can you imagine how much I'd love it if they put even a little bit more effort into it? Hopefully this is the first step towards that happening.

Are you kidding me? You have an AppleTV, and you love it, but you have no interest in Google TV? Isn't GoogleTV what would happen if Apple did what you are suggesting and put more effort into it? I don't understand it at all. Just because it is by Google doesn't mean you automatically have to hate it.
 
apple will update the AppleTV when they have successfully killed flash. They are not interested in web based videos streaming to the tv while the majority are still using flash... im sure thats part of why they do not offer a browser for the apple TV right now... if and when flash is gone, they will have a killer box to beat all others... I actually suspect they will offer an amazing TV with appleTV integrated into it rather than a set top box... might be a bad idea, but it might be apples style... but everyone who has said it will run a varation of the iPhone OS is most likely correct... Im thinking iPhone OS with a Front Row skin over it.

Oh and while they are at it they should make the remote be essentially the iPod touch without any real software on it, just a few screens you can change like a remote screen, a keyboard screen, and a guide screen to pick through channels while the actual TV keeps the show on... that could be really cool. They could also make an app for the iPhone/iPad that would do these same things....

Man we should work as an apple think tank...
 
Wish list for next-gen Apple TV:
- Native Divx support
- More processing power and RAM
- True 1080p
- Better, lower power sleep mode
- Support for external storage
 
- For what it does, its a huge application.
- The UI is convoluted - everything I want to do is like walking through quicksand (and now it's ugly too)
- It's painfully slow
- It beachballs
- It simply crashes

And this is on OSX. On Windows, it is unusable.

I shouldn't need a prehistoric application like itunes to work with my idevices. They should be able to do all this stuff over the air automatically.... Oh wait, Google is releasing that now (see previous rumor).

I love Apple, but recently they are arrogant and resting on their laurels. I'll buy and use whatever product is the best, regardless of weather it is Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc. Competition benefits me

(Huge Application) Sure, it's huge. Who really cares? Does it affect you? No. Unless you savor every megabyte of space.

(Ugly UI) I'm sorry, but that's just simply not true. There have been aesthetic changes made to it, but nothing so drastic that it differs from its previous state. Compared to Google, well, there is no comparison. Everything Google touches is brandished with disdain. Look at Youtube as compared to Vimeo. Look at Gmail as compared to Yahoo or even Hotmail. They apply almost no graphical interfaces to their products. Most teenage kids can make better looking myspace pages through HTML than what Google produces.

(Convoluted UI) I laughed about this. Maybe it's just me, but iTunes remains one of the best ways to organize your media, hands down. I understand if you download your music from Limewire and have to manually edit their titles and add their artwork. I understand.

(Painfully Slow) No, it's not "painfully" slow. It does glitch at times, occasionally takes time when switching between libraries, and freezes, well, almost never (I think it's happened to me twice since the get go). Maybe you maintain a more intense style of arranging your library, I don't know. I download my music from iTunes, so everything runs quite fluidly. Granted, it does take longer than most apps, but nothing that makes it atrocious to use.

(Beachballs) Yep, does that when you open it up, and also when it froze those two times for me. Actually, the most painful part for me is when you close it down, takes like 5 seconds out of my life.

Poor Windows users.

I find your "prehistoric" comment ironic, when you overtly announce your love for Google (exaggeration, not fanboyism). Google in itself is prehistoric. Yes its functional, but a baseline functionality. There are no wow features, period. That's what separates Apple from Google. How many times could you literally have said wow when you first played with an iPhone in 2007? What about when they released the Unibody Macbooks? I have never, NEVER, been wowed by anything that Google released. And I'm not the only one.

But it goes deeper. It's not just what Google produces, but its their business "structure", so to say. They're here to make money (as is Apple), but the difference lies within how they perform this task. Google has ads anywhere they can place them, and theyre godawful. They feel like spam, theyre cheap, theyre stupid. Secondly, Google obviously is trying to dominant in every area they can. How many damn products do they release every year, always something new? Ok sure, its a great concept, but ultimately, they fail because they dont spend enough time refining them (you want to talk about glitchy, point your fingers at Google).

Like my essay? :)
 
The stock price in and by itself means nothing. What matters is the Price/ Earnings ratio. Currently, GOOG is 21.81 and AAPL is 20.62.

P/E ratios are largely meaningless, but the industry of hypesters on Wall Street and off love to use them because they sound meaningful and they're very easy to calculate. In other words: Less work for the same fees.

But here's the key: market price has no direct cause-effect relationship with earnings. None. The price-to-earnings ratio tells you what the current market price is relative to the earnings per share. So? If I showed you a chart that compares the declining number of pirates to the rise in global mean surface temperature, would you be stupid enough to draw a correlation?

Let's look at it another way... If earnings are high relative to price, it can appear as though earnings are in decline. Conversely, a high P/E ratio may be thought to be a high growth stock but it can also suggest that the stock is vastly overpriced... but relative to what?

This is where P/E ratio fails as a measure of anything meaningful because it can only tell you what every other fool paid for the stock for the earnings that they are (quite often) not collecting a dime on because none of today's speculators prefer to focus on stocks paying substantial dividends. It can't tell you what you should pay, what the company is intrinsically worth (net assets plus discounted cash flows looking five quarters forward).

That Apple's P/E ratio is nearly equal to Google's doesn't tell us anything except perhaps that the sector itself is overhyped and overpriced. This is a big red "GTFO" sign.

A far better measure of whether you should invest or not is by comparing the intrinsic value (net assets plus future cash generating ability) of the company's assets and cash flows to the market price, and determining whether an undervaluation exists as a result of red flags, or simply because the market is ignorant to the opportunity. The latter is the case where all speculators would stay away and instead focus on already-overpriced stocks on the hope they will continue to rise at unsustainable rates. But shrewd investors see this as an opportunity to exploit the inefficiencies of the market, where not all people examine all available information all the time.

Sometimes that available information is right under your nose... in the last five years of annual reports that nobody bothers to read.
 
That is not the point here, this is just a portal for what people already have and is a huge waste of money for people to buy. We need to have a place we can watch these things easily and in one place on demand which is the Apple TV, Apple just needs to bring out a cheap subscription plan to watch all the TV shows you want in the month, which I think it will. Google TV is pathetic.

I'm starting to think you barely even saw what was shown.
 
I hope it inspires Apple to finally UPDATE the Apple TV. In any case, I really don't want google integrated into my TV. I don't want them streaming ads to it, collecting all the data they possibly can on my viewing habits, etc. Although it's probably inevitable someday.

You're right. We would all prefer for Apple to do all of the above for us. ;)
 
... I can write a long, long list of complaints about the AppleTV and yet I still adore mine....

This is because you don't know any better.

I tried Apple TV for a bedroom, and returned it within 2 days - it's pathetic, and too underpowered to even be worth hacking.

I also tried a Mac Mini, but had to run Windows on it, because Apple basically sucks for Home Theater. Front Row is a joke, and Plex is way too buggy.

Now, for HTPC I have an AOPEN (same size as the Mini, but more powerful, and with BluRay) running W7 MCE (with Media Browser) and it is flawless. It's the only Windows box I have, it runs 24/7, it's rock solid and it's a joy to use.

Google TV looks like a great idea. If implemented right, it will take over the living room (Apple's really not even a player there).
 
I feel like people only read the blurb on it. Go read a full write up...it really does do some pertty cool stuff.

Its ridiculous google got this out before Microsoft got their Mediaroom software out mainstream.

Scientific Atlantic, motorola and all the other set top makers....step up your hardware or be replaced.
 
lol, Google is taking over everything :p, search engine, OS, email, youtube, now tv..
 
Now, for HTPC I have an AOPEN (same size as the Mini, but more powerful, and with BluRay) running W7 MCE (with Media Browser) and it is flawless. It's the only Windows box I have, it runs 24/7, it's rock solid and it's a joy to use.

This is because you don't know any better.
 
"You type what you want" oooook.... now, let me ask a dumb question: HOW THE F DO YOU TYPE?!?!?!? Will we have a keyboard attached? Or will we use a directional control to find letters and click them? Or....

One way is you can use your android handset, and it allows you to do voice search, too.
 
Great news. I hope Google really do well with this because it might be a slight kick in a arse for apple and make them evolve the AppleTV a little... Don't get me wrong, the AppleTV is fab, i love it, but why do i need to patch it to get BBC iPlayer (just an example) on it? I shouldn't have to... If Apple had evolved the ATV it should already do some of what Google TV is offering.... Allowing TV streaming from the main services should be a must... After all, apple integrated YouTube... Why stop there?
Fingers crossed this will drive some innovation from Apple in this area!
 
Google introduced cartoon: Google SpongeBob. Stock dropped $15.00 a share.
Maybe M$ should make a claymation movie about Windows 7.0.0.0.1 and tell us why Google is a PC and Windows 7 was its idea.

EDIT: Make that down $16.00 a share and still in free-fall.
 
That's what I thought Apple TV was at first, when I went to the Apple Store and play with it, I found that my Archos 605 was doing more than that a long time ago... Now, Google TV it's going to the right direction.

Please God, make them have a nice Chief Designer and a great GUI Graphic Artist soon, that's the only thing I think Google needs right now to be on top.


It's just me or Google is becoming the Apple of the 80's?
 
That's what I thought Apple TV was at first, when I went to the Apple Store and play with it, I found that my Archos 605 was doing more than that a long time ago... Now, Google TV it's going to the right direction.

Please God, make them have a nice Chief Designer and a great GUI Graphic Artist soon, that's the only thing I think Google needs right now to be on top.


It's just me or Google is becoming the Apple of the 80's?

No, it's just you. They are more like OldsmoBuick.
 
Based on what I've seen so far, I have no interest in Google TV.

BUT...if it kicks Apple in the butt and makes them do something with the AppleTV then I'm happy it's here.

I can write a long, long list of complaints about the AppleTV and yet I still adore mine. Can you imagine how much I'd love it if they put even a little bit more effort into it? Hopefully this is the first step towards that happening.

Personally, I don't want to have a keyboard and mouse hooked up to my TV. I know there are those that like that (the mac mini TV crowd comes to mind), but it isn't for me. However, I hope that Google's push for this will encourage Apple to make the AppleTV better.

P-Worm

Apple better get their act together and finally give us a real update to the Apple TV. Were going on almost four years now with no hardware changes.

As for software, which it has matured nicely, Apple needs to adopt the iPhone OS. App integration is the key to the future, as is a SDK.

Apple could have done this some time ago, only if they continued developing their hobby platform. Oh well, there is always someone else vying for our dollars.

Apple knows what they are doing! They have been working on something much better for years trust me!

The problem is people don't realize that the Apple TV is merely a small piece of the puzzle! When you see it all come together in the next 1-2 years with a new Apple TV with SDK, the App Store, iPhone OS (Custom tailored to the Apple TV of course), iTunes, the iPhone, the iPod Touch, the iPad, MobileMe with iAds and Lala cloud features, game center, multi-touch, iChat, and on and on, THEN you will understand where Apple has been headed this whole time!

People say they spend too much time on the mobile now, but that is ALL PART OF THE PLAN! It is not about one device, it is about the ECOSYSTEM and EXPERIENCE!

I am excited! :D

Google SUCKS at user and UI design! They think they can just buy a ton of companies to make up for what they don't have and lack any experience in and that it will all just magically come together perfectly. That is a nice thought Google, but it doesn't work like that! You are the new Micro$oft and your products are the equivalent of Windows PCs. I am MUCH more excited to see Apple's beautifully designed and implemented creation come to fruition soon! :) Nobody does better than Apple, PERIOD!
 
Google clearly has Apple in its sights. As consumers, we'll benefit from the competition.
 
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