Google Chairman Eric Schmidt Posts Guide on Converting to Android from iPhone

[mib1800]

The guide is a bit too late. Most people I see on the street where I am from are already carrying galaxy s4 note2/3 and xperia now.

2 years ago it was iphones all over the place. Now most people I know who use iphone now planned to get an android on their next upgrade.

 

[the8thark]

Typical response, motivated by nothing if not personal preference.
Thanks for reminding me once again how MR is saturated with such figures.

If you don't like the facts, that's your loss. You can justify your distain for the truth anyway you choose. And you did just this.

 

[twigman08]

This kind of complaint would have been valid 3 years ago. Sorry, not anymore.

The complaint is still valid. Considering I work with these phones all day every day at my current job, the scrolling is not as smooth and fluid as what I always see on iOS. Their are times that it does work great. Then their are times, more times than that, that it almost seems like their was an input lag from the touch. Then it's like it skips a couple of frames to get where it should had been.

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The guide is a bit too late. Most people I see on the street where I am from are already carrying galaxy s4 note2/3 and xperia now.

2 years ago it was iphones all over the place. Now most people I know who use iphone now planned to get an android on their next upgrade.

That's funny, cause where I life it is completely opposite.

Meaning: It all depends where you live and who you know for people who are switching.

 

[LostSoul80]

If you don't like the facts, that's your loss.

I'm sorry, what facts are you talking about?
Let's see:

Benchmarks are always important.

That is not a fact.

And iOS kicks android OS totally.

That is, again, not a fact.

No comparison there.

What more to expect, one would wonder?

Droid phone hardware is ok for the most part but the OS is just hideous.

That is your personal opinion.
I like Android's user interface.

You can justify your distain for the truth anyway you choose. And you did just this.

You meant "disdain"?
You would I be disdaining the truth?
And what did I just do?
Could you elaborate more on that very statement? I'm afraid it's a mix of nonsense, and blindness.

 

[Solomani]

UPDATE: Google Chairman Eric Schmidt has only 5 friends.

UPDATE to your UPDATE: Google Chairman Eric Schmidt actually has 6 friends. You forgot to count North Korean Dictator Kim Jong-Un.

 

[lolkthxbai]

UPDATE to your UPDATE: Google Chairman Eric Schmidt actually has 6 friends. You forgot to count North Korean Dictator Kim Jong-Un.

He doesn't count since they refuse to open up to the internet.

 

[Todd B.]

Was duped into an Android phone when I moved to T-Mobile because their service was terrible and I needed something with "Wifi Calling" but I will not be staying with Android; anyone who says it's better is just absolutely talking nonsense.

I mean, you can't even add extra calendar or contacts account due to the "open Android" not even supporting CalDav or CardDav...

Just a miserable time with Android all around.

Android is good and "open" if you use Google for everything. For anything else, it's trash.

 

[mib1800]

Was duped into an Android phone when I moved to T-Mobile because their service was terrible and I needed something with "Wifi Calling" but I will not be staying with Android; anyone who says it's better is just absolutely talking nonsense.

I mean, you can't even add extra calendar or contacts account due to the "open Android" not even supporting CalDav or CardDav...

Just a miserable time with Android all around.

Android is good and "open" if you use Google for everything. For anything else, it's trash.

There are many CalDav/Carddav sync adapters in Play store. As these are open standards, I think many online PIM services deploy their sync adapters in the app itself. Did you really check it out Android or you just gave up after booting up phone.

 

[Todd B.]

There are many CalDav/Carddav sync adapters in Play store. As these are open standards, I think many online PIM services deploy their sync adapters in the app itself. Did you really check it out Android or you just gave up after booting up phone.

Sorry, but that's not a reasonable solution. For something as "open" as Android, I shouldn't have to search on the app store/buy a third party app just to use a calendar or email other than Google/Gmail.

There's a thread on the Android bugtracker from 2009 (!!) that Google still refuses to acknowledge and add in this basic functionality.

 

[mib1800]

Sorry, but that's not a reasonable solution. For something as "open" as Android, I shouldn't have to search on the app store/buy a third party app just to use a calendar or email other than Google/Gmail.

There's a thread on the Android bugtracker from 2009 (!!) that Google still refuses to acknowledge and add in this basic functionality.

Are talking about client app? I thought google calendar supports both these? Just link your other calendars to google calendar using your desktop and it will sync to your android. I dont see the fuss here.

 

[Todd B.]

Are talking about client app? I thought google calendar supports both these? Just link your other calendars to google calendar using your desktop and it will sync to your android. I dont see the fuss here.

Um, that's the point. Google doesn't add a feature that's in EVERY OTHER phone because they're so hesitant to relinquish their control of your information.

Why should I create a Google account and a calendar account then link my current calendar to it just to add it to my phone?

How many people would say "I don't see the fuss here" if, in order to add a calendar to iOS, you had to create an iCloud account and import your other calendar into it just to add it to the phone?

 

[mib1800]

Um, that's the point. Google doesn't add a feature that's in EVERY OTHER phone because they're so hesitant to relinquish their control of your information.

Why should I create a Google account and a calendar account then link my current calendar to it just to add it to my phone?

How many people would say "I don't see the fuss here" if, in order to add a calendar to iOS, you had to create an iCloud account and import your other calendar into it just to add it to the phone?

If you are using Android you already have your Google account created.

All you do is link the other calendars to it. You do the same steps in iOS as well. So I don't get what you are getting at.


On this topic ios is very much lacking in this aspect without multiple accounts support. Just this alone kills the flexibility of ios.

 

[the8thark]

That is not a fact.

In the real world it is.

That is, again, not a fact.

Again in the real world it is.

What more to expect, one would wonder?

People expect quality and not everyone can deliver this.

That is your personal opinion.
I like Android's user interface.

People buy garbage and love it to death. I never understood why some people are like this. Liking the Android OS is one example of this.

You meant "disdain"?
You would I be disdaining the truth?
And what did I just do?
Could you elaborate more on that very statement? I'm afraid it's a mix of nonsense, and blindness.

I mean exactly what I said. I said distain and I meant distain.
Distain means to disgrace or stain the honour.
And yes I meant what I said in the way of "you dishonour the truth by knowing the truth but purposefully choosing to ignore it and believe basically everything you just said in your replies here. There is an honour in seeking and understanding and sharing the truth. I can say of that you didn't share the truth with your statements.

 

[Todd B.]

If you are using Android you already have your Google account created.

All you do is link the other calendars to it. You do the same steps in iOS as well. So I don't get what you are getting at.


On this topic ios is very much lacking in this aspect without multiple accounts support. Just this alone kills the flexibility of ios.

That's not even true since I'm using Android and I don't have a Google account....

Why should all my events on a calendar I already have be routed through Google just to use the stupid thing? The fact that more and more people are waking up to Google's stupidity, their complete lack of adding requested features that allow people to do things outside of the Google cloud will be their downfall.

And how do you "do the same steps on iOS"? Because I'm pretty sure that on my iPad all I did was go in an add a new Calendar account to the settings app and it was all taken care of. I didn't have to do any nonsense like "add my calendar to Google or iCloud" or anything like that.....

 

[mib1800]

That's not even true since I'm using Android and I don't have a Google account....

Why should all my events on a calendar I already have be routed through Google just to use the stupid thing? The fact that more and more people are waking up to Google's stupidity, their complete lack of adding requested features that allow people to do things outside of the Google cloud will be their downfall.

And how do you "do the same steps on iOS"? Because I'm pretty sure that on my iPad all I did was go in an add a new Calendar account to the settings app and it was all taken care of. I didn't have to do any nonsense like "add my calendar to Google or iCloud" or anything like that.....

I did the same with Splanner client which is stock calendar for galaxy. Open the app goto setting and select add account. Then pick from a list of installed protocols. Enter the details and the calendar is synced.

What's so different?
Have you really use an android before?

 

[Todd B.]

I did the same with Splanner client which is stock calendar for galaxy. Open the app goto setting and select add account. Then pick from a list of installed protocols. Enter the details and the calendar is synced.

What's so different?
Have you really use an android before?

Don't know what "Splanner" is but I go to "Calendar" on mine and then go to "Add accounts" and all I see is "Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync", "Microsoft Hotmail", and "Google".

I just don't know if you're not listening on purpose or just purposely ignoring but whatever...

And, for the record, the thread from the Android bugtracker from 2009 with absolutely no acknowledgement from Google about adding it:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2361

 

[Renzatic]

People buy garbage and love it to death. I never understood why some people are like this. Liking the Android OS is one example of this.

Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that makes it "garbage"? Is the UI considerably worse than iOS? Is it laggy to the point of being unusable? Does it seem poorly thought out? How long did you use it?

I've used both, though admittedly I've used iOS considerably more. From my experiences with more recent Android revs, I'd say they're about on par as far as general user experience goes, with each platform having their own advantages. Like iOS has slightly nicer font rendering, and the apps tend to follow along with Apple's design guidelines more often than they do on Android. On the flipside, Android allows you to set your own default apps, and tends to be more flexible with how you do things.

Basically fluff features. As an iPad and iPhone user, I can say that there are some things I prefer about iOS, but I can't honestly say it's so far ahead of Android, it makes it look like complete garbage in comparison. Not without feeling like I'm lying anyway.

...and don't say it's because you have higher, more exacting standards than most, and tend to be more demanding.

 

[LostSoul80]

In the real world it is.

What does that even mean? In the virtual world it doesn't?

That is your personal opinion. You are not speaking for anyone but yourself. Otherwise, provide sources supporting that "benchmarks are always important".

Again in the real world it is.

In the real world, that is your own personal opinion.
It's amusing how you believe you speak for the "real world", when in fact you are expressing an opinion.

With which I do not agree, anyway.

People expect quality and not everyone can deliver this.

I agree. And you can't universally determine whether a product is a quality one or not by yourself. It is up to the individual to determine whether Android is better than iOS or not.

People buy garbage and love it to death. I never understood why some people are like this. Liking the Android OS is one example of this.

You considering Android garbage does not make Android garbage.



I do not care about your very own personal opinion, nor does anyone else.

I mean exactly what I said. I said distain and I meant distain.
Distain means to disgrace or stain the honour.
And yes I meant what I said in the way of "you dishonour the truth by knowing the truth but purposefully choosing to ignore it and believe basically everything you just said in your replies here.

You seem to accept that a "truth" exists, and even assume that I, aware of the supposed "truth" you are rambling about, would be ignoring it without any reason of sort "purposefully".

There is an honour in seeking and understanding and sharing the truth. I can say of that you didn't share the truth with your statements.

Honour? Seeking the truth? Sharing the truth?

Please, continue. You're getting amusing to read.

 

[the8thark]

Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that makes it "garbage"? Is the UI considerably worse than iOS? Is it laggy to the point of being unusable? Does it seem poorly thought out? How long did you use it?

Bad looks. Laggy, onscreen buttons and things all in the wrong place, not well thought out etc etc.
Yes
No, but very noticeable
I'd say off and on for a year.

What does that even mean? In the virtual world it doesn't?

That is your personal opinion. You are not speaking for anyone but yourself. Otherwise, provide sources supporting that "benchmarks are always important".

I have not seen you prove benchmarks are not always important. I know not having a counter argument is not a valid counter argument. But knowing how well your systems do is always important.

In the real world, that is your own personal opinion.
It's amusing how you believe you speak for the "real world", when in fact you are expressing an opinion.

With which I do not agree, anyway.

By real world I mean not anyone's own opinion.

I agree. And you can't universally determine whether a product is a quality one or not by yourself. It is up to the individual to determine whether Android is better than iOS or not.

Quality is always compared to a standard. Like cost or performance or sales or something else. So someone could say X product is better cause is sells more. Another person says X product is not quality cause it has lower specs and both would be correct. It's all up to what you relate the quality to.

You considering Android garbage does not make Android garbage.

I do like android hardware. It's not the best but it's still very nice. It's the OS that lets things down.

I do not care about your very own personal opinion, nor does anyone else.

Not true. If that was true you'd not have replied here. You cared enough to reply.

You seem to accept that a "truth" exists, and even assume that I, aware of the supposed "truth" you are rambling about, would be ignoring it without any reason of sort "purposefully".

The truth is out there as Agent Fox Mulder would say.

Please, continue. You're getting amusing to read.

So you do care. For the entertainment value. And I thought you cared about nothing. How wrong I was.

 

[Renzatic]

Bad looks. Laggy, onscreen buttons and things all in the wrong place, not well thought out etc etc.
Yes
No, but very noticeable
I'd say off and on for a year.

Bad looks? You might not like the style, but subjectiveness aside, it seems fine to me.

...well, I guess the fonts are a tiny bit better in iOS.

Laggy? Define lag for me right fast. I've only got a limited amount of time in with the newer versions of Android, but the only thing I noticed during the time I spent with it was that it would occasionally get a framerate hiccup when loading something. And when I say occasionally, I mean once or twice in about 15 minutes of use time.

All in the wrong place? Not well thought out? I always have to laugh at this one when comparing Android to iOS, because...well...the settings menu in iOS is a cluster**** of a mess to navigate if you don't already know where everything is. This isn't at all what I'd expect from Apple, considering how clean and well organized everything in OSX is.

The rest? I chalk it up to "I'm used to A, so since B is set up differently, I hate it by default". I dunno if that's the case with you exactly, but that's generally how these things go.

...some specifics would be nice here, of course. Gimme some examples of what's laid out so badly about it.

Getting down to the basics here, I just can't see why some people think it's nearly unusable garbage. You might've had a case back during the Gingerbread Man days, but now? I'd put it about on par with iOS as far as attractiveness and ease of use go.

 

[thekev]

Android isn't beating Apple at anything but distorted perception of grandeur . It is a free mobile OS piggybacking on off the shelf hardware that is literally being sold for almost nothing. Period.
Android is perceived by the initiated as a standalone product ,which it ain't.
At the end of the day lets look at the balance and see who's rocking bank like a boss.
APPLE B****!
Money all day!!!!!

This is another thing I don't understand, hand wringing via internet posts. You don't clearly display how being a free mobile OS detracts from something unless your ego is somehow tied to the cost of your phone and its OS. Apple's bank balance doesn't actually matter unless you're an investor. If you like iphone, then you would want the product line to remain healthy. That way you are ensured that there will be a replacement if yours breaks or falls behind the technology curve. What makes little sense is to debate the economics as an excuse to look down on others. That is simply illogical.

Benchmarks are always important. You confused that with hardware specs which are over hyped.
And iOS kicks android OS totally. No comparison there. Droid phone hardware is ok for the most part but the OS is just hideous.

I would disagree on the benchmark issue. Hardware benchmarks don't always reflect real world performance over a set of tasks that is typical to a given user. Take a look at geekbench results. The mac pros, in some cases as far back as 2009 will be at the top of 64 bit multi-core benchmarks, yet even for those users, all cores at max load will not always reflect their workloads. In some situations they may not be the fastest. The same thing happened when barefeats benchmarked creative suite. Some users got the wrong impression by paying attention to benchmarks which were not necessarily relevant to the majority of their cpu time.

People buy garbage and love it to death. I never understood why some people are like this. Liking the Android OS is one example of this.

That is a rather absolute statement based on a strange set of preconceived notions. You refer to the use of Android on and off for a year. It seems a bit odd to me to switch phones many times in a year, but during that time, how much of your perceptions were influenced by prior iphone use? Android allows you enough flexibility to adjust some of those things to be more in line with what you are used to.

 

[hchung]

I did the same with Splanner client which is stock calendar for galaxy. Open the app goto setting and select add account. Then pick from a list of installed protocols. Enter the details and the calendar is synced.

What's so different?
Have you really use an android before?

Apparently he has used Android before. It's you who is confused.

You did realize right after you wrote "Splanner client which is stock calendar for galaxy" that you're talking about a Samsung-only app, right? You can't generalize that to the rest of Android given that it only applies to Samsung Touchwiz Android devices.

In the rest of the Android world, an Android device does not have to be associated to a Google account in order to work. An Android phone does not always have a Google account attached.

Android also doesn't have built in support for CalDAV. And if it weren't for Google trying to encourage businesses to adopt Android, I'm sure Exchange would have been gone too.

If you are using Android you already have your Google account created.

All you do is link the other calendars to it. You do the same steps in iOS as well. So I don't get what you are getting at.

On this topic ios is very much lacking in this aspect without multiple accounts support. Just this alone kills the flexibility of ios.

Have you even used iOS before? You don't seem to realize the difference between iOS and Android when it comes to connecting Calendars:

On Android, Google wants you to sign into your multiple accounts through Google Calendar, and then sync that one account to your device. This is so that you consolidate their data collection for them.

On iOS, you sign into your multiple accounts through your device. This is because you wanted to access the account through your device. It has nothing to do with an Apple account; nor is an Apple account associated with your external calendars.

 

[mib1800]

Apparently he has used Android before. It's you who is confused.

You did realize right after you wrote "Splanner client which is stock calendar for galaxy" that you're talking about a Samsung-only app, right? You can't generalize that to the rest of Android given that it only applies to Samsung Touchwiz Android devices.

In the rest of the Android world, an Android device does not have to be associated to a Google account in order to work. An Android phone does not always have a Google account attached.

Android also doesn't have built in support for CalDAV. And if it weren't for Google trying to encourage businesses to adopt Android, I'm sure Exchange would have been gone too.



Have you even used iOS before? You don't seem to realize the difference between iOS and Android when it comes to connecting Calendars:

On Android, Google wants you to sign into your multiple accounts through Google Calendar, and then sync that one account to your device. This is so that you consolidate their data collection for them.

On iOS, you sign into your multiple accounts through your device. This is because you wanted to access the account through your device. It has nothing to do with an Apple account; nor is an Apple account associated with your external calendars.

I am not confused. That is what I told him. Get a 3rd party calendar client or install some of the caldav client which allow you to connect to use the calenders directly with a client like Splanner.

Why does everything has to be built in to the os in the first place? That's the beauty of Android. You can replace the default app with the one you like.

This use case scenario is not common so I don't know why we have spend so much time on this. Exchange or Google would be the most common (unless you lock yourself inside apple proprietary system)

 

[hchung]

This use case scenario is not common so I don't know why we have spend so much time on this. Exchange or Google would be the most common (unless you lock yourself inside apple proprietary system)

*facepalm*
CalDAV is not so common? Apple proprietary system? Exchange or Google would be the most common? What?

We're talking about CalDAV.
You know? The one that pretty much everybody uses aside from Exchange?
It's an open standard. It's everywhere.
Yahoo uses it.
Apple uses it.
Facebook uses it.
Microsoft uses it.
Even Google uses….er used it… (whatever happened to being open?)

Exchange and CalDAV are way more common than Google Calendar. In the grand scheme of things, Google Calendar is garbage. They have data loss bugs that have been reported, but still not fixed after over 4 years.

Yeah, you can use a 3rd party application on Android to use CalDAV. But for a company who once prided themselves on supporting open standards, this is an embarrassment for Google.

 

[efex]

Glad to see this guide, I find Nexus 5 a beautiful looking phone and wouldn't mind trying android out.