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Google Chairman Eric Schmidt Posts Guide on Converting to Android from iPhone

Things aren't so bright and sunny on the KitKat side of things.

On my Nexus 4 and 7 overnight, KitKat 4.4 was automatically downloaded to both of my devices without me having to do a thing. See, Apple isn't the only one pushing updates onto it's users without their permission.

I am not installing the updates due to many of the bugs that I have been reading about on AC.

There are two major changes that I am also staying on 4.3 for, at least for now:

1. It breaks flash. I only use flash though on one website so that I can watch the local news since their own app does not allow me to watch the news through their app like I can using the iOS app on my iPad/iPhone.

2. It removes tethering on the Nexus 4 depending upon the users plan and whether or not your plan includes tethering.

Hopefully there will be a work around for the flash problem and as for the tethering issue, if I read correctly, to re-enable it, it requires root and I don't want to get into all of that.
 
JackieInCo said:
Things aren't so bright and sunny on the KitKat side of things.

On my Nexus 4 and 7 overnight, KitKat 4.4 was automatically downloaded to both of my devices without me having to do a thing. See, Apple isn't the only one pushing updates onto it's users without their permission.

I am not installing the updates due to many of the bugs that I have been reading about on AC.

There are two major changes that I am also staying on 4.3 for, at least for now:

1. It breaks flash. I only use flash though on one website so that I can watch the local news since their own app does not allow me to watch the news through their app like I can using the iOS app on my iPad/iPhone.

2. It removes tethering on the Nexus 4 depending upon the users plan and whether or not your plan includes tethering.

Hopefully there will be a work around for the flash problem and as for the tethering issue, if I read correctly, to re-enable it, it requires root and I don't want to get into all of that.
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It doesn't 'break' flash, as Android doesn't support Flash by default (on Jelly Bean either). Tethering is carrier dependent as well. So neither of the 'problems' you've listed are 4.4 issues.
 
kuwxman said:
It doesn't 'break' flash, as Android doesn't support Flash by default (on Jelly Bean either). Tethering is carrier dependent as well. So neither of the 'problems' you've listed are 4.4 issues.
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How is it not a 4.4 issue when they work perfectly under 4.3? I know carriers don't want to allow tethering for free and 4.4 now allows them to control this so yes, it is something that is affected by upgrading to 4.4.

Also, flash works under 4.3 but no longer works under 4.4, also affected by upgrading to 4.4. I call that breaking flash as it no longer works in 4.4.
 
JackieInCo said:
How is it not a 4.4 issue when they work perfectly under 4.3? I know carriers don't want to allow tethering for free and 4.4 now allows them to control this so yes, it is something that is affected by upgrading to 4.4.

Also, flash works under 4.3 but no longer works under 4.4, also affected by upgrading to 4.4. I call that breaking flash as it no longer works in 4.4.
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You might have installed the Flash player and just don't remember, but Flash does not work by default. Reflash 4.3, open a website on the clean install that uses Flash and you'll see that.

edit: After a quick Google search, Flash hasn't supported Android since Summer 2012.
 
kuwxman said:
You might have installed the Flash player and just don't remember, but Flash does not work by default. Reflash 4.3, open a website on the clean install that uses Flash and you'll see that.
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I knowingly installed flash on my Nexus 4 and 7. Yes, I know it's something I had to do but it's something that is well known and worked perfectly under 4.3. My point is, it not longer works on 4.4.

I thought it was assumed that we all know it's something that had to be installed previously.
 
JackieInCo said:
I knowingly installed flash on my Nexus 4 and 7. Yes, I know it's something I had to do but it's something that is well known and worked perfectly under 4.3. My point is, it not longer works on 4.4.

I thought it was assumed that we all know it's something that had to be installed previously.
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There ya go. You installed it on your Nexus 4/7...at a time when it wasn't officially supported anyways. Now we've moved to a new OS and that unsupported version of Flash no longer works. That doesn't mean 4.4 broke something that wasn't supported to begin with, lol.

IIRC, you can't even download it from the Play Store anymore. You have to get the .apk from elsewhere online. That is how unsupported it is.
 
I thinks its just a matter of preferences now. Androids & ios both are getting better and better after every update and thats the most important thing. To get new features and services whether you use Android iOS or windows and soon Tizen !!

For me, I prefer Aesthetic look, function and how strong the device is (...which doesn't need me going under the hood fixing things) os i prefer iOS

But i do understand the needs of different people. One of my friend with galaxy note 2 preferred the screen size, as he is into watching videos on the go and to me that's a pretty valid reason to get a giant phone.

Other friend preferred Android cos he often gets quotations and brochure as pdfs and docs and we wanted the device with bigger screen, so he bought galaxy grand, again pretty valid point.
 
tai.michael said:
It's so sad that iOS7 made the thought of converting to Android possible. Thanks Tim Cook for allowing the destruction of Apple's aesthetics that took over a decade to create.
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I'm sure you'll find even less adherence to a standard look and feel there.

The flat look took a bit getting used to, but I mostly like it now that I'm used to it. Everyone's going that way and it's not just because they think it looks cooler. Displays are appearing in smaller and smaller UI's. Even the big Samsung phablets don't have enough real estate to justify space wasted with extra shading and contours.

When every pixel counts, you don't want to have to spend a lot of them doing drop shadows and button bevels.
 
JackieInCo said:
2. It removes tethering on the Nexus 4 depending upon the users plan and whether or not your plan includes tethering.
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What carrier are you using? I thought that the Nexus 4 only sold directly to the user not through the carrier so it don't have any carrier crapware on it.

That said, if your carrier has a clause in your contract not disallows tethering, you must have been using a work around under 4.3. Also this is a criticism of your Carrier not Android 4.4 or Google.
 
I don't know why I have an Android phone and keep buying them when it's time to replace my phone. The only apps I use on Android other than internet and e-mail are eBay, Facebook, Amazon, craigslist, a note taking app and Flixster (a movie show times app). These are all free. On my iPod Touch and new Retina iPad Mini, I've downloaded lots of various apps and games....over 50% are paid apps. The only thing I lack is the persistant internet connection.

Not sure why. All I know is that I have little interest in paying for any of the apps on Android. I also prefer the iOS experience. I don't know why I don't switch from Android for my phone. I even prefer the iPhone as a phone, in design.
 
djtech42 said:
Excluding businesses, the only people that use it actively
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Apologies. I wasn't aware you had access to information that determines that all active Google+ members must be 'Google Fanboys' (Whatever the hell that means).

Grow up.

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MattInOz said:
the real Step 1 is funnier still...

1. Set up the Android phone
a) Power on, connect to WiFi, login with your personal Gmail account, and download in the Google Play Store all the applications you normally use (for example, Instagram).
b) Make sure the software on the Android phone is updated to the latest version (i.e. 4.3 or 4.4). You should get a notification if there are software updates.
c) If you are using AT&T, download the Visual Voicemail app from the Play Store.
d) You can add additional Gmail accounts now or later.
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That in my book is 10+ steps.
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Um not sure how long it's been since you setup an iPhone (if ever) but in your above list for the iPhone:

A) Power on, connect to wifi, log into your Apple account.
B) Configure location services
C) Configure iCloud
D) Choose if you want data sent back to Apple
E) Download in the AppStore all the applications you normally use
F) Update the iPhone, as even the one you buy TODAY will not have the latest update on it.
G) Setup any other accounts

Don't imply that Android setup is any 'harder' or 'longer' than Apple's, as I can tell you, as someone who uses both on a daily basis - neither is faster, simpler or 'better'.

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smirking said:
I'm sure you'll find even less adherence to a standard look and feel there.
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If you buy a cheapo one with a ton of vendorware, sure. However if you buy a decent handset such as the Nexus or Galaxy S4, you'll have a very consistent UI.

Android's UI did used to be all over the place, but from 4.x and above it's been very consistent, a lot more consistent than iOS7 + old iOS6 bits appearing every now and then.
 
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bozzykid said:
Actually, there are thousands of guides for how to switch to the iPhone. When you invest in any ecosystem switching to another that does things differently usually ends up in guides being posted all over the internet.
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You can find guides for literally anything online. This is of interest not because it's first, but because it comes from inside of Google.
 
Poisonivy326 said:
Apple has worked with the Chinese government to ensure that every App in the App store is in no way offensive or subversive to the government's authority, and has in many cases banned apps deemed by the Chinese government to be offensive.
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Apple also honors the jurisdiction of the US Government to ban certain apps that are offensive to US laws.

Oh, and maybe you were not aware, Apple also follows the laws of Germany. That means that in German iTunes Store, you are not allowed to download music or apps that recreate music or symbols (swastika) from Nazi Germany. That is part of German law. And Apple honors it. But in the USA, the laws are different. I have the freedom to download the Nazi anthems from US iTunes Store. The US freedom of speech laws allows it, and therefore Apple also allows it. Do you not understand this?
 
Rad99004 said:
How many of your apps still work under IOS 7? Give it enough time with developers not updating apps and the investment slowly disappears any way.

I have 15,000 apps, would be nice if Apple added a compatibility mode to run apps that developers gave up on.

My experience so far with IOS 7(Buggiest release ever) and Apple being so slow to release a big phone makes me forget my app investment on my Phone. As far as the iPad I can still use it till it dies.
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the vast, vast majority of them. (and ALL the ones i invested "serious" - in app terms - money in)
 
Billicus said:
This was my favorite line, emphasis added:

:rolleyes:
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Why? He would have been lying if he said they will work well since there will always be someone with a random bug somewhere that messes things up. It's no different on Apple devices.

Or, heck, just look at the next gen console releases. People spent $400-$500 on brand new consoles only to have issues the second they're turned on. Nothing humans make will ever be fail safe.
 
Helping users to be able to go from one OS ecosystem to another is great. This keeps the competition stronger (as users can switch back/forth from one another) and consumers win.
 
12 pages of Google hate? No wonder people accuse Mac advocates of being "fan boys."

People: IT AIN'T THAT BAD.
 
KylePowers said:
Let's hope Apple brings some big changes to iOS 8 and iPhone 6.
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iOS 7 and the 5S JUST came out. Might you take a moment to enjoy life as it is.

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candle said:
Helping users to be able to go from one OS ecosystem to another is great. This keeps the competition stronger (as users can switch back/forth from one another) and consumers win.
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Yay! We win!!

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Solomani said:
Apple also honors the jurisdiction of the US Government to ban certain apps that are offensive to US laws.

Oh, and maybe you were not aware, Apple also follows the laws of Germany. That means that in German iTunes Store, you are not allowed to download music or apps that recreate music or symbols (swastika) from Nazi Germany. That is part of German law. And Apple honors it. But in the USA, the laws are different. I have the freedom to download the Nazi anthems from US iTunes Store. The US freedom of speech laws allows it, and therefore Apple also allows it. Do you not understand this?
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You are being a little to generous with the Chinese dictatorship.

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Antares said:
I don't know why ... Not sure why...
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Are you a masochist?
 
Solomani said:
Apple also honors the jurisdiction of the US Government to ban certain apps that are offensive to US laws.

Oh, and maybe you were not aware, Apple also follows the laws of Germany. That means that in German iTunes Store, you are not allowed to download music or apps that recreate music or symbols (swastika) from Nazi Germany. That is part of German law. And Apple honors it. But in the USA, the laws are different. I have the freedom to download the Nazi anthems from US iTunes Store. The US freedom of speech laws allows it, and therefore Apple also allows it. Do you not understand this?
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Um you do realize that the Chinese government is one of the most authoritarian in the world and that many social media platforms like Facebook are banned? So it's not like Apple is taking any principled law and order stand here.
 
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