Google Claims a 'Hostile, Organized Campaign Against Android'

[aohus]

You are wrong again. Please stop with the unfounded accusations.

Here is the original question:

Obviously there will be some syncing mechanism in place on the playbook to sync with your android apps.

Its been confirmed that android apps will run on the playbook. This is nothing new. Most likely BB will have their own curated App store with Android App support.

Yes, a non android device (BB Playbook) can sync with an android marketplace (BB's curated AppWorld). It IS confirmed, that android apps will run on the playbook, and even on BB smartphones most likely.

The new app players for the BlackBerry PlayBook are expected to be available from BlackBerry App World this summer. More information and demonstrations of the new app players will be shared at BlackBerry World. The BlackBerry Tablet OS NDK will be available in beta later this year and will also be showcased at BlackBerry World.

 

[BaldiMac]

Obviously there will be some syncing mechanism in place on the playbook to sync with your android apps.

Its been confirmed that android apps will run on the playbook. This is nothing new. Most likely BB will have their own curated App store with Android App support.

Yes, a non android device (BB Playbook) can sync with an android marketplace (BB's curated AppWorld). It IS confirmed, that android apps will run on the playbook, and even on BB smartphones most likely.

Good one. The Android Market is not the same as "an android marketplace." Sometimes you just have to admit you were wrong or misread the question and move on.

 

[aohus]

Good one. The Android Market is not the same as "an android marketplace." Sometimes you just have to admit you were wrong or misread the question and move on.

hah, BB would never accept Android Market on their platform. Just doesn't make any business sense at all on their part.

i don't see iOS apps working on non-Apple devices. But then again, they don't have to. They seem like they are doing fine selling 20 million plus iPhones for the quarter. It won't last forever though. There will only be one 1st place.

 

[voonyx]

hah, BB would never accept Android Market on their platform. Just doesn't make any business sense at all on their part.

i don't see iOS apps working on non-Apple devices. But then again, they don't have to. They seem like they are doing fine selling 20 million plus iPhones for the quarter. It won't last forever though. There will only be one 1st place.

There are no indications whatsoever that apple is going to slow down anytime soon. Obviously eventually they'll plateau but all signs point to them being on top for quite some time

 

[aohus]

How is having two app stores selling the same apps innovation? No if Apple did it I wouldn't consider it innovation. I have a choice between Wal-mart and Target, yes the prices are different however they are roughly the same things being sold. It is not innovative for one to drop prices, or to have two stores, I shop at Target because I like it there. If Wal-mart never existed Target would still be the same place with the same products and yes products would still go on sale and the prices would be the same.

I don't mean to be 'that guy' but.

Dictionary
innovation: something new or different introduced; introduction of new things or methods.

I don't recall seeing multiple unique app stores on a single platform before Amazon created their own appstore on Android platform. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong though. Always willing to learn new facts.

The fact that free apps are given each day, everyday, 7 days a week, without ads, is innovative. It introduced something new, or a new method, as per the dictionary.

 

[aohus]

There are no indications whatsoever that apple is going to slow down anytime soon. Obviously eventually they'll plateau but all signs point to them being on top for quite some time

The most popular mobile OS is not iOS anymore. Its Android OS.

iPhone sales, although very good, and profit margins are high, Samsung has made ground with their Galaxy S line of phones. They were neck and neck in the amount of phones sold this latest quarter with Apple.

We'll see what happens though. I'm actually looking forward to the iP5, only if they do a redesign of the iP4 though. A phone made of all glass = retarded.

 

[zephyr4]

I don't mean to be 'that guy' but.

Dictionary
innovation: something new or different introduced; introduction of new things or methods.

I don't recall seeing multiple unique app stores on a single platform before Amazon created their own appstore on Android platform. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong though. Always willing to learn new facts.

The fact that free apps are given each day, everyday, 7 days a week, without ads, is innovative. It introduced something new, or a new method, as per the dictionary.

So how is having two app stores an innovation? Was it new? No it had been done before, is it different? No you said it was the same different prices. Is it an introduction of new things or methods? No it's simply another store, its not innovative, it sells the same apps much like the other market place does. So i am correcting you when you are wrong. Innovation would be if they opened a new app store that used telepathy to download apps. Sorry but you are wrong. And giving something away free is not innovative, people have been giving free stuff away for years. Keep trying.

 

[voonyx]

I don't mean to be 'that guy' but.

Dictionary
innovation: something new or different introduced; introduction of new things or methods.

I don't recall seeing multiple unique app stores on a single platform before Amazon created their own appstore on Android platform. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong though. Always willing to learn new facts.

The fact that free apps are given each day, everyday, 7 days a week, without ads, is innovative. It introduced something new, or a new method, as per the dictionary.

So ios' new notifications are innovative by your definition then, right?

 

[aohus]

So ios' new notifications are innovative by your definition then, right?

depends. if they did something 'new' with a dropdown notification system thats already been around (namely Google), then yeah, thats innovative.

From what I saw of the notification system on iOS5 beta, I wouldn't consider it innovative. I'd have to take a first hand look though. Can't judge really if i haven't used it yet, so that question is up in the air for me at least.

 

[I WAS the one]

Seriously... if your post start growing to the point is filling the whole forum page is time to start a career as a novelist or columnist in any newspaper around your home. I like to read short intelligent comments in forums. PLEASE be gentle.

 

[aohus]

So how is having two app stores an innovation? Was it new? No it had been done before, is it different? No you said it was the same different prices. Is it an introduction of new things or methods? No it's simply another store, its not innovative, it sells the same apps much like the other market place does. So i am correcting you when you are wrong. Innovation would be if they opened a new app store that used telepathy to download apps. Sorry but you are wrong. And giving something away free is not innovative, people have been giving free stuff away for years. Keep trying.

please read carefully. i never said that it was done before Android/Amazon. EVER. Thats why i am saying two unique marketplaces on Android ecosystem is innovative, because its NEVER been done before on any other platform.

No platform has had multiple app stores available before. No platform before gave away paid apps for free everyday.

Those two points are considered innovative because it did something new, or a new method was used.

I'm not tweaking the definition of 'innovation' to fit your standard of it. I'm going by the actual definition of innovation. k? thanks.

 

[voonyx]

depends. if they did something 'new' with a dropdown notification system thats already been around (namely Google), then yeah, thats innovative.

From what I saw of the notification system on iOS5 beta, I wouldn't consider it innovative. I'd have to take a first hand look though. Can't judge really if i haven't used it yet, so that question is up in the air for me at least.

It's a new method...your definition says so, no need to examine it more, if you think changing prices is innovative then a new notification system is innovative

 

[aohus]

It's a new method...your definition says so, no need to examine it more, if you think changing prices is innovative then a new notification system is innovative

we'll see.

 

[BaldiMac]

please read carefully. i never said that it was done before Android/Amazon. EVER. Thats why i am saying two unique marketplaces on Android ecosystem is innovative, because its NEVER been done before.

No platform has had multiple app stores available before. No platform before gave away paid apps for free everyday.

Weird. I was sure I saw someone with Cydia and the App Store on their iPhone the other day. And I'm pretty sure Cydia gives away paid apps for free every day.

 

[voonyx]

we'll see.

What's to see? Ios used to use popup notifications now they'll have dropdowns. New method and therefore innovative by your definition. Its a new method for ios users to get notifications. You are tweaking the definition to fit what you want. Two identical stores with the same items at different prices is innovative but a completely new way to receive notifications is "we'll see"?

 

[aohus]

Weird. I was sure I saw someone with Cydia and the App Store on their iPhone the other day. And I'm pretty sure Cydia gives away paid apps for free every day.

in that case, android has at least 4 app stores

Applanet
Mobilism Market
Amazon App Store
vCast App Store (Verizon)
Android Marketplace

 

[zephyr4]

please read carefully. i never said that it was done before Android/Amazon. EVER. Thats why i am saying two unique marketplaces on Android ecosystem is innovative, because its NEVER been done before on any other platform.

No platform has had multiple app stores available before. No platform before gave away paid apps for free everyday.

Those two points are considered innovative because it did something new, or a new method was used.

I'm not tweaking the definition of 'innovation' to fit your standard of it. I'm going by the actual definition of innovation. k? thanks.

By definition you're still wrong you admit they had an app store before simply adding another does not innovate if apple added 12 app stores is that innovative? No it's the same app store just an extra one. And giving things away for free happened on mypre blackberry applications store before iPhone came out it was on a paid game given to me for free so your argument and logic is flawed....

 

[aohus]

By definition you're still wrong you admit they had an app store before simply adding another does not innovate if apple added 12 app stores is that innovative? No it's the same app store just an extra one. And giving things away for free happened on mypre blackberry applications store before iPhone came out it was on a paid game given to me for free so your argument and logic is flawed....

awesome sentence structure. took a couple re-reads.

read the definition of innovation per dictionary.com

having two unique app stores on the same platform is new, and innovative. its never been done before. i consider that innovative in my book, as it benefits the end user as well.

oh? having another app store with cheaper pricing schemes and giving away high quality apps for free everyday, 7 days a week has been done before? i was a former crackberry addict, so i know how BB AppWorld goes. Hardly any paid apps are turned free. Maybe an app or two, but everyday a new app being sold for free? Nope, that didn't happen much. Hell, there wouldn't have even been enough BB apps to do that lol. Nice try though bud.

 

[divinox]

? 1398 is the very, very end of the 14th century.

Seems like i can never learn that retarded century system :- )

Still, point remains.

I gotta be honest I hate when people say "true" multi-tasking. Android's multi-tasking is probably the least efficient feature I've ever seen in a device. In theory it shouldn't eat up your memory, but it does. There's no way you can have "many" applications running in the background and see the same performance as you would without them.

Apple may not have "true" multi-tasking but their method is far more practical and efficient and there is no loss of performance. My android devices have all slowed to a crawl when there's too much stuff open...and I know i'm not the only one

Totally agree as far as basics go. For some applications you really want to maintain true multi-tasking though; e.g., applications that need to maintain internet access at all times.

 

[BaldiMac]

having two unique app stores on the same platform is new, and innovative. its never been done before. i consider that innovative in my book, as it benefits the end user as well.

Did you already forget your last post where you replied to my post that proved that this isn't true?

 

[divinox]

Does Maam fit you better? If so i am sorry. Maam.

I was aware of the context. Did you agree with what I wrote or not?

Fail to see the relevance, nor do i really remember what you said. What I do remember, however, is that your post was irrelevant given the context. If i am to take your word for being aware of context that, i am afraid, makes you somewhat of a "word i am not allowed to say given forum rules."

(i do not say this to offend you; my current mood doesnt allow me to be overly polite at the moment).

I never claimed that you made those claims that you claimed that you did not make.

You implied it in your, irrelevant, response to my post.

 

[macUser2007]

That's not true. What you are referring to is probably Palm's hacks to allow direct syncing. Apple provides standard API's to allow third parties to sync with the iTunes library.

Nope.

Try getting music from your hard drive into your iPhone without iTunes and let us know how easy it is. The one or two 3rd party tools capable of doing it seemed to get broken by every iOS update I installed.

Never had such an issue with my Google Nexus S -- I sync it all over the air, or over simple standard USB cable -- any way I want to.

 

[DeathChill]

The most popular mobile OS is not iOS anymore. Its Android OS.

iPhone sales, although very good, and profit margins are high, Samsung has made ground with their Galaxy S line of phones. They were neck and neck in the amount of phones sold this latest quarter with Apple.

We'll see what happens though. I'm actually looking forward to the iP5, only if they do a redesign of the iP4 though. A phone made of all glass = retarded.

But that's not true at all. Android is winning the smartphone war but not the tablet or personal media player war.

http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/04/19/apples-ios-clobbering-android/

EDIT: It's pretty awesome that you can't make a factual comment that happens to show something good for Apple on a website for Apple fans without getting down voted.

Maybe they could implement a feature so we can see who is down/up voting posts? I'm sure the same group of names would be popping up for down votes on pro-Apple comments...

 

[aohus]

? 1398 is the very, very end of the 14th century.



I gotta be honest I hate when people say "true" multi-tasking. Android's multi-tasking is probably the least efficient feature I've ever seen in a device. In theory it shouldn't eat up your memory, but it does. There's no way you can have "many" applications running in the background and see the same performance as you would without them.

Apple may not have "true" multi-tasking but their method is far more practical and efficient and there is no loss of performance. My android devices have all slowed to a crawl when there's too much stuff open...and I know i'm not the only one

Doh! Sorry abut the double post, mods...

thats just simply not true. as an avid user of Android OS, i can personally attest that opening a bunch of applications does NOT slow down the OS at all. The reason being is inherent in the kernel itself. Android kills tasks that you do not have currently opened, but it stores it in memory. Lets say you open up 10 applications. That 10th application you open up, when that occurs, Android inherently kills the 1st application you opened up awhile back but saving it within memory, thereby keeping memory usage at a minimum, and allowing multiple apps to open without performance issues.

I highly recommend folks to watch this youtube video. Android developer does a much better job at explaining than I.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6gSd4ugSI&hd=1

I know ya'll aren't gonna watch, but its interesting and educational.

 

[macUser2007]

It's funny how you're slamming Apple for not inventing anything, when Google BOUGHT Android. I forget that sometimes. But clearly most Android peeps don't realize it at all.

So? And Apple bought FingerWorks, Lala, Placebase, etc.. And had to hire the developer who copied the Android Notifications idea in order to get notifications into iOS....

Your point being?