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Fail to see the relevance, nor do i really remember what you said. What I do remember, however, is that your post was irrelevant given the context. If i am to take your word for being aware of context that, i am afraid, makes you somewhat of a "word i am not allowed to say given forum rules."

Or, you were just unclear in your statement, and I chose to clarify a point that was evidently tangential to your point. My point was actually relevant to the thread, even if you don't consider it relevant to your point.

As far as context, you were responding to MrWillie who was responding to Bushido, whose statement was exactly addressed by my post.

Nope.

Try getting music from your hard drive into your iPhone without iTunes and let us know how easy it is. The one or two 3rd party tools capable of doing it seemed to get broken by every iOS update I installed.

Never had such an issue with my Google Nexus S -- I sync it all over the air, or over simple standard USB cable -- any way I want to.

Except that's not what we were talking about. We were talking about syncing third party devices with an iTunes library.
 
There are no indications whatsoever that apple is going to slow down anytime soon. Obviously eventually they'll plateau but all signs point to them being on top for quite some time


What signs are you referring to? And what is your definition of "top"?
 
awesome sentence structure. took a couple re-reads.

read the definition of innovation per dictionary.com

having two unique app stores on the same platform is new, and innovative. its never been done before. i consider that innovative in my book, as it benefits the end user as well.

oh? having another app store with cheaper pricing schemes and giving away high quality apps for free everyday, 7 days a week has been done before? i was a former crackberry addict, so i know how BB AppWorld goes. Hardly any paid apps are turned free. Maybe an app or two, but everyday a new app being sold for free? Nope, that didn't happen much. Hell, there wouldn't have even been enough BB apps to do that lol. Nice try though bud.

I'm on my cell at work trying to edit and read a long thread isn't to easy, I you don't like it then don't read it. As I stated before adding another store is not innovative it is just adding a store. You are overly changing the definition for your argument. If I open a new bake shop department in target is that innovative? No it has been done already. Having two bake shops doesn't mean an innovation it just means you have two of them instead of one.... You can count right? As for the free subject no blackberry did not do it for free 7 days a week but they still did it. If apple gave away 10 free apps per day to every user they still were not innovative, blackberry was first. We can bicker over the definition of a word all day long I don't mind. But, keep in mind if you change the number of something does not make it new it just increases the quantity of it.
 
So how is having two app stores an innovation? Was it new? No it had been done before, is it different? No you said it was the same different prices. Is it an introduction of new things or methods? No it's simply another store, its not innovative, it sells the same apps much like the other market place does. So i am correcting you when you are wrong. Innovation would be if they opened a new app store that used telepathy to download apps. Sorry but you are wrong. And giving something away free is not innovative, people have been giving free stuff away for years. Keep trying.

At smart phone (business model) level it is something new, something different. Similarly, provision of apps can viewed as 'method', meaning the "innovation" in question qualifies in both ways given the dictionary definition.

Further, although the change may seem miniscule, it could, indeed, have great effect on ecosystem activity etc. You have to look beyond "two channels selling the same items", and see the potential in doing so. Then, and only then, will you see the "innovation".

I agree though that its not overly innovative, especially not if we are to look beyond the smart phone market. It is, however, on par with many, on this board, hailed innovations by Apple.
 
thats just simply not true. as an avid user of Android OS, i can personally attest that opening a bunch of applications does NOT slow down the OS at all. The reason being is inherent in the kernel itself. Android kills tasks that you do not have currently opened, but it stores it in memory. Lets say you open up 10 applications. That 10th application you open up, when that occurs, Android inherently kills the 1st application you opened up awhile back but saving it within memory, thereby keeping memory usage at a minimum, and allowing multiple apps to open without performance issues.

And once again, you are not addressing the actual argument. What you described is exactly the same as iOS's main multitasking feature. Apps are frozen to memory when not in use and cleared when memory is needed.

Unlike iOS, Android allows unlimited background services. If you have multiple or complex services running in the background, it will affect performance and battery life.
 
Or, you were just unclear in your statement, and I chose to clarify a point that was evidently tangential to your point. My point was actually relevant to the thread, even if you don't consider it relevant to your point.

You being unable to grasp a context does not make me unclear. My post was clear and concise, without ambiguities. If you wish to make points relevant to the thread i suggest that you make a post, not a comment to another post. It'll save the rest of us the time it takes to respond.

As far as context, you were responding to MrWillie who was responding to Bushido, whose statement was exactly addressed by my post.

I responded to MrWillie. If your point was relevant to Bushidos comment, quote him. If your point was relevant to MrWillies comment, quote him. If your post is irrelevant to mine - leave me alone. Forum use 101.

Now, can you please stop bothering me, or at least make a comment of relevance? Thank you.
 
thats just simply not true. as an avid user of Android OS, i can personally attest that opening a bunch of applications does NOT slow down the OS at all. The reason being is inherent in the kernel itself. Android kills tasks that you do not have currently opened, but it stores it in memory. Lets say you open up 10 applications. That 10th application you open up, when that occurs, Android inherently kills the 1st application you opened up awhile back but saving it within memory, thereby keeping memory usage at a minimum, and allowing multiple apps to open without performance issues.

I highly recommend folks to watch this youtube video. Android developer does a much better job at explaining than I.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6gSd4ugSI&hd=1

I know ya'll aren't gonna watch, but its interesting and educational.

you're talking about multi-tasking at it exists on iPhone too. That's why I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about. Your regurgitating the same crap that all fandroids do. And I owned 3 android devices, the d1, the incredible and the TB and I'm getting the Bionic as well. And every single one has taken a performance hit when having multiple apps open. i dont expect you to concede to that, but then you are the one who is saying lowering prices is innovative and a whole new notification system may not be so can't really expect much leeway from you.

What signs are you referring to? And what is your definition of "top"?

most revenue, most app revenue, most developers, most profits, record sales every quarter, iphone outselling every 4G phone combined, iphone nearly outselling every 3G and 4G phone combined every quarter, 28% share in a 300 to 1 market, making more in one quarter then android OEMs/Google make in a year, some of them probably combined, need I go on?

Apple is not going anywhere anytime soon.
 
You being unable to grasp a context does not make me unclear. My post was clear and concise, without ambiguities. If you wish to make points relevant to the thread i suggest that you make a post, not a comment to another post. It'll save the rest of us the time it takes to respond.



I responded to MrWillie. If your point was relevant to Bushidos comment, quote him. If your point was relevant to MrWillies comment, quote him. If your post is irrelevant to mine - leave me alone. Forum use 101.

Now, can you please stop bothering me, or at least make a comment of relevance? Thank you.

Do you even know what your point was? Are you just being argumentative? My statement about how patents are currently limited in scope fit in quite nicely with your statement about how they should be limited in scope.
 
So? And Apple bought FingerWorks, Lala, Placebase, etc.. And had to hire the developer who copied the Android Notifications idea in order to get notifications into iOS....

Your point being?

You missed the most glaring example : Apple bought OS X. The Foundation framework is the very basis of iOS development and it comes from OS X, something again : Apple bought.
 
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most revenue,

Most revenue is not equal to leading, largest, number one, or top. It was the latter you claimed if i remember it correctly. But yes, Apple is doing extremely well in the revenue (and better, profit) arena.

most app revenue, most developers, most profits, record sales every quarter
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see above.

iphone outselling every 4G phone combined
4G availability is low. Fail to see relevance. Clearly, iphone is not outselling every phone combined.

iphone nearly outselling every 3G and 4G phone combined every quarter, 28% share in a 300 to 1 market, making more in one quarter then android OEMs/Google make in a year, some of them probably combined, need I go on?
No, not even close. 3G is pretty standard even in (western) base level cell phones. As far as profit goes, once again, they are doing extremely well though. Quite natural given the circumstances though.



Apple is not going anywhere anytime soon.

My point exactly. Should Apple worry? No. They should focus on what they're doing now, locking in the high-margin segment, rather than fighting for shares in the commodity market - but means exactly that. They're not going anywhere soon.

Do you even know what your point was?
Yes, unlike many others i think before i speak.
Are you just being argumentative?
No, i am just fed up with illiterate/ignorant forumons.

My statement about how patents are currently limited in scope fit in quite nicely with your statement about how they should be limited in scope.

However, you did not acknowledge my point making an addition of your own. You questioned me, and my post, by posting crap of little, if any, relevance.
 
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Most revenue is not equal to leading, largest, number one, or top. It was the latter you claimed if i remember it correctly. But yes, Apple is doing extremely well in the revenue (and better, profit) arena.

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see above.


4G availability is low. Fail to see relevance. Clearly, iphone is not outselling every phone combined.


No, not even close. 3G is pretty standard even in (western) base level cell phones. As far as profit goes, once again, they are doing extremely well though. Quite natural given the circumstances though.





My point exactly. Should Apple worry? No. They should focus on what they're doing now, locking in the high-margin segment, rather than fighting for shares in the commodity market - but means exactly that. They're not going anywhere soon.

Wait so what's your definition of top? Most marketshare? That's it? Of all the metrics I presented they are all trumped by marketshare? If not, then what makes apple not on top?

Second about the 3g phones, I thought it was implied I'm talking about android smartphones, I should have specified per carrier. Iphone outsells most android phones combined on both att and vzw...I didn't realize that you'd think I was talking about every 3g phone that ever existed...

again to not like apple is one thing but to downplay the success of the iphone is downright silly...that one phone made apple the number one smartphone maker in the world....I dunno call me crazy but if that's not top what is?
 
I googled it. I could still comfortably tell you nothing looked like the iPad before 2010. To see a similarity would completely ignore everything that made the iPad successful.

And yet every tablet since is somehow the same as the iPad? You can make one point or the other, not both.
 
I'm on my cell at work trying to edit and read a long thread isn't to easy, I you don't like it then don't read it. As I stated before adding another store is not innovative it is just adding a store. You are overly changing the definition for your argument. If I open a new bake shop department in target is that innovative? No it has been done already. Having two bake shops doesn't mean an innovation it just means you have two of them instead of one.... You can count right? As for the free subject no blackberry did not do it for free 7 days a week but they still did it. If apple gave away 10 free apps per day to every user they still were not innovative, blackberry was first. We can bicker over the definition of a word all day long I don't mind. But, keep in mind if you change the number of something does not make it new it just increases the quantity of it.

Nobody has refuted my claim with EVIDENCE that two unique app stores exist on the same platform before Android OS.

Nobody has answered this. You know why? Because I'm right. I have yet to see someone refute my claim with evidence.

AFAIK, Android OS was the FIRST mobile OS that had two unique app stores coexisting with one another. Add on top of that, the Amazon App Store continues to give away premium apps for free EVERY DAY, 7 days a week.

I didn't change the definition of innovation at all. Its you who has.

Google introduced a new concept of two unique app stores co-existing with one another. No, jailbreaking with Cydia doesn't count, as it is not officially endorsed.

you're talking about multi-tasking at it exists on iPhone too.

yeah, the iPhone has it finally, 3-4 YEARS after the fact? Whereas Google had this multi tasking down since Android 1.6, when you all were laughing at the UI.

Its funny when I see comments from Apple fanboys (not enthusiasts, theres a difference) tout new features for the upcoming iOS as revolutionary when they've been in existence with Android platform for years. Its cute though.
 
Apple have let other companies copy their stuff long enough. It's sue or be sued.

Now don't mistake my statement to mean that I'm saying that Apple have never copied others because I am not. I'm saying you cannot be sued by everyone and choose not sue others yourself.
 
Nobody has refuted my claim with EVIDENCE that two unique app stores exist on the same platform before Android OS.

Nobody has answered this. You know why? Because I'm right. I have yet to see someone refute my claim with evidence.

AFAIK, Android OS was the FIRST mobile OS that had two unique app stores coexisting with one another. Add on top of that, the Amazon App Store continues to give away premium apps for free EVERY DAY, 7 days a week.

I didn't change the definition of innovation at all. Its you who has.

Google introduced a new concept of two unique app stores co-existing with one another. No, jailbreaking with Cydia doesn't count, as it is not officially endorsed.



yeah, the iPhone has it finally, 3-4 YEARS after the fact? Whereas Google had this multi tasking down since Android 1.6, when you all were laughing at the UI.

Its funny when I see comments from Apple fanboys (not enthusiasts, theres a difference) tout new features for the upcoming iOS as revolutionary when they've been in existence with Android platform for years. Its cute though.

Haha almost as cute as google stealing ip, claiming their being bullied and then attacking other companies as hostile. I said its almost cute because its pathetic first.

They've got a bunch of ppl like you supporting them though so can't blame them for inciting the masses with their cute "we're not gonna take it" blog post. See how excited fandroids like you got yesterday?
 
You missed the most glaring example : Apple bought OS X. The Foundation framework is the very basis of iOS development and it comes from OS X, something again : Apple bought.

Really, don't answer obvious flamebait, guys like DeathChill are just here to piss off people that don't worship at the altar of Jobs. ;)

Apple bought the foundation of OS X from Steve Jobs' company, who is the CEO and founder of Apple. ;)
 
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Haha almost as cute as google stealing ip, claiming their being bullied and then attacking other companies as hostile. I said its almost cute because its pathetic first.

They've got a bunch of ppl like you supporting them though so can't blame them for inciting the masses with their cute "we're not gonna take it" blog post. See how excited fandroids like you got yesterday?

I'd consider myself a tech enthusiast. I don't hold admiration for a particular company at all. Thats just dumb. and btw, all Google did was buy Android.

Secondly, I'd be extremely surprised if you don't use Google product's one way or another.

You don't have a Gmail account? You don't use Google Maps on your iPhone? You never used Street View on maps.google.com (iPhone unfortunately doesn't support street view on their phone, lack of innovation from iOS side i suppose)? You never searched at all on Google.com ?

You don't utilize Google shopping? Google Earth was a no for you too? Google docs is a no? Man, all those free services, and you haven't used any of Google's products? I'd say you're lying then.

Google offers all those services, and in return they place some ads, and you despise them likes its some Gestapo corporation?

hirarious yo
 
So? And Apple bought FingerWorks, Lala, Placebase, etc.. And had to hire the developer who copied the Android Notifications idea in order to get notifications into iOS....

Your point being?

Hehe you mean the guy who had already worked at Apple during early iPhone development then went to Palm where he in conjunction with another guy, who later moved to android, developed much of what we now consider the best notifaction system (the webOS one) before coming back to Apple, to give notifications a much needed overhaul. While the other guy applied his work to android.

Companies aren't innovative it's the people in them.
It's the companies culture that in the end that decides if the internal talent gets noticed and fostered and the company appears innovative or not.

Google seems to have lots of innovative people but many and their ideas get pushed public far to soon. Apple has lots of innovative people but can be so focused that they leave to other ventures as Apple isn't ready for their idea yet. HP have lots of innovative people but their core markets are so conservative they have trouble finding outlets for that work.
 
Wait so what's your definition of top? Most marketshare? That's it? Of all the metrics I presented they are all trumped by marketshare? If not, then what makes apple not on top?

Even if Ferrari made more money than any other car manufacturer i probably wouldnt say that they were on top. That said i do not object to your metrics (which pretty much boil down to one, or two, in reality), i just asked for your definition of "being on top", as i - personally - expect the exact opposite in the near future. Not because Apple is doing something wrong, but more likely because they are - probably - doing pretty much everything right.
Second about the 3g phones, I thought it was implied I'm talking about android smartphones, I should have specified per carrier.
And smart phone. Yet, youd still be quite wrong. Apples share of the smart phone market is far from Androids, what, 50% (?), and very few smart phones (if any) are non-3g. Still, i agree that Apple is doing well, and reiterate that Apple is probably better off not going for a larger share of the market.

Iphone outsells most android phones combined on both att and vzw...I didn't realize that you'd think I was talking about every 3g phone that ever existed...

World is larger than Att and Vzw. Didnt realize i was talking to yet another American american.

again to not like apple is one thing but to downplay the success of the iphone is downright silly...that one phone made apple the number one smartphone maker in the world....I dunno call me crazy but if that's not top what is?

I do not particularly dislike the iphone, indeed it seems like a very nice device (that said, i will hopefully never end up buying one*.) Nor did i ever downplay its success. I just dont think that it will "remain top", as market grows and the premium segment becomes relatively smaller.

Will Apple continue to do great, and make nice profit anyway? Of course!

Will they become more marginalized, with fewer "killer features" compared to the competitive offerings? most likely.

I used to think Apple was doing it all wrong back in the days. Then i realized that they have all they will ever need, and that they are better off securing the pot of gold they have grabbed than fight for the pennies that are still up for grabs. In that way they are reminiscent of Ferrari. You wont see Fiat rebranding their cars just for the sake of market share, and why would they.

* This post is written using a mac, and i have yet to see an android phone i'd buy either. The only thing that has really caught my eye as of late is Wp7 really, but thats a different matter.

p.s. me not buying the iphone is not due to the quality of the device, but rather the mentality of the corporation. like i said, it seems like a very nice device, and i use one on regular basis.
 
I'd consider myself a tech enthusiast. I don't hold admiration for a particular company at all. Thats just dumb. and btw, all Google did was buy Android.

Secondly, I'd be extremely surprised if you don't use Google product's one way or another.

You don't have a Gmail account? You don't use Google Maps on your iPhone? You never used Street View on maps.google.com ? You never searched at all on Google.com ?

You don't utilize Google shopping? Google Earth was a no for you too? Google docs is a no? Man, all those free services, and you haven't used any of Google's products? I'd say you're lying then.

Google offers all those services, and in return they place some ads, and you despise them likes its some Gestapo corporation?

hirarious yo

Wait...what? Another case of you just saying things without understanding what your reading or you're just in a blind google love rage. I stated multiple times that I own three android phones soon to have a fourth, I use everything google, I've been on g plus since the day it was announced, gmail the day it was announced, voice the day it was announced. I love google. I don't even own an ipod or an iphone.

However I'm not a blind fanboy like you. Anyone who takes off the android colored glasses can see that google infringed on several patents. Your in denial about it and eric schmidt saying "I'm not worried" and blog posts about "evil companies trying to topple google" get you excited.

You define innovation as a "new method" and then deny that a new method of showing notifications is a new method.

Your not looking at it objectively and that's blatantly obvious...anyone who looks at it without a fanboy bias can see this is not a conspiracy by the evil apple oracle microsoft conglomerate but rather a clear case of patent infringement, and again the courts so far seem to agree with that.

Google is going to lose millions regardless of the outcome of this case. Schmidt saying he's not worried is what's cute, and the fandroids taking that to mean all is well in android land is sad...
 
I also want to point out that Google punched my puppy in the kidney one time. This is where my unabashed hate for them comes from. Also they built a railroad over my bed.
 
Wait...what? Another case of you just saying things without understanding what your reading or you're just in a blind google love rage. I stated multiple times that I own three android phones soon to have a fourth, I use everything google, I've been on g plus since the day it was announced, gmail the day it was announced, voice the day it was announced. I love google. I don't even own an ipod or an iphone.

However I'm not a blind fanboy like you. Anyone who takes off the android colored glasses can see that google infringed on several patents. Your in denial about it and eric schmidt saying "I'm not worried" and blog posts about "evil companies trying to topple google" get you excited.

You define innovation as a "new method" and then deny that a new method of showing notifications is a new method.

Your not looking at it objectively and that's blatantly obvious...anyone who looks at it without a fanboy bias can see this is not a conspiracy by the evil apple oracle microsoft conglomerate but rather a clear case of patent infringement, and again the courts so far seem to agree with that.

Google is going to lose millions regardless of the outcome of this case. Schmidt saying he's not worried is what's cute, and the fandroids taking that to mean all is well in android land is sad...

Go through all my thread comments i made here. Never did i state that Google is clearly in the right or wrong. Lets not put words in my mouth.

Google just doesn't want an anti-competitive bias. Think about it, everytime an Android phone is sold, Microsoft,Oracle,Apple will be clamoring for a piece of the pie. Whether or not Google actually infringed upon patents is up to the lawyers. NO PERSON has the answer to that in here. NOBODY here is a patent lawyer.

lawsuits happen in the tech world, and its crappy, because in the end, the END USER will ultimately be screwed over, and the patent lawyers will be raking in the dough.

Any kind of patent lawsuit sucks, because it doesn't benefit any party but lawyers.

Did I ever state that Google was in the right with their letter of complaint? Nope. I just like to see the comments explode the moment one criticizes Apple.
 
And yet every tablet since is somehow the same as the iPad? You can make one point or the other, not both.

I only made one point, not two, so I'm not sure where you pulled the other one from.

But I will say that tablets released after the iPad are a lot more similar to the iPad than tablets released before the iPad.

Nobody has refuted my claim with EVIDENCE that two unique app stores exist on the same platform before Android OS.

Nobody has answered this. You know why? Because I'm right. I have yet to see someone refute my claim with evidence.

AFAIK, Android OS was the FIRST mobile OS that had two unique app stores coexisting with one another. Add on top of that, the Amazon App Store continues to give away premium apps for free EVERY DAY, 7 days a week.

I didn't change the definition of innovation at all. Its you who has.

Google introduced a new concept of two unique app stores co-existing with one another. No, jailbreaking with Cydia doesn't count, as it is not officially endorsed.

So Cydia doesn't count because Apple hasn't blessed it? Is Apple your God? Do innovations only happen if they are endorsed by Apple? :rolleyes:

yeah, the iPhone has it finally, 3-4 YEARS after the fact? Whereas Google had this multi tasking down since Android 1.6, when you all were laughing at the UI.

Its funny when I see comments from Apple fanboys (not enthusiasts, theres a difference) tout new features for the upcoming iOS as revolutionary when they've been in existence with Android platform for years. Its cute though.

Umm... Android 1.6 was released 8 months before Apple released multitasking in iOS 4.
 
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