Good! Someone without a skewed sense of entitlement.
Not happy you're leaving, but I'm happy you're choosing to act in a sensible manner.
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Google Claims That Apple Did Reject Google Voice iPhone Application
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Good! Someone without a skewed sense of entitlement.
Not happy you're leaving, but I'm happy you're choosing to act in a sensible manner.
People are foolish if they buy things based on name. Buy the product that's best for you. If that means buying an android phone, then buy an android phone.
You call it a computer. I call the iPhone a Phone and the Touch a portable music player on steroids. Thats why I am decrying the comparisons. What good is is discussing them if we cannot agree on the terms. If you want to bring up hypothetical with development of the iPhone and development as a while, keep the comparisons on par. I suggest we compare Apple to Apples and keep hypothetical into areas that remain reliant. Talking about OS development with the iPhone is like trying to compare a small garden project with the big farm next door. There are similarities, but the differences are larger.
Perhaps. I won't argue that point since it is not ours to make for the most part. I like my iPhone too much to go to another platform out there. I don't run the train station nor do I care about the operation of the trains. As long as I can get on the train and it takes me where I want to go, I am happy.
You are just a lemming and have no business in this conversation as you have stated you only do what you are told. What does a copy of windows have to do with the iphone anyway? Geek tears? LOL? I like to decide what apps I like for myself, not have someone do it for me. If this concept is so hard for you to understand you need serious help.
Please tell me them... because I don't see how it would be any different at all to what I currently do with my MacBook Pro......
All the Apple apologists would keep ragging on Microsoft if they tried something like this. It's disgusting how much Apple gets away with because of the brainwashed user base.
I'm all for holding Microsoft accountable to any wrong doing they do as a corporation. I'm also even more for making Apple change their ways. As an iPhone developer, I paid them money to get access to the Apple store. Every time there is a new major release, or every few months there is a new contract you have to agree to. If you don't, they take your money.
It's like putting a gun to my head and saying accept.
I'm all for holding Microsoft accountable to any wrong doing they do as a corporation. I'm also even more for making Apple change their ways. As an iPhone developer, I paid them money to get access to the Apple store. Every time there is a new major release, or every few months there is a new contract you have to agree to. If you don't, they take your money.
It's like putting a gun to my head and saying accept.
Then can we assume that you will be selling all of your Apple equipment, leaving the platform, and will never be heard from in these forums again? Please tell us this is true. This goes for every single one of the wagging tongues posting here. If you are so outraged at the "new" Apple why are you still using the company's products? Why haven't you moved to a platform and company that satisfies your sense of ethical behavior. Until you do that then your protests are hypocritical in the extreme. You have chosen to believe Google's statement over Apple's. Why is that exactly? Apparently you think so little of Apple yet you continue to use their products. This is cognitive dissonance in the classic sense of the term and it is mentally unhealthy. Move on to something else if you can't stand Apple. It's the only way to solve your ethical dilemma.
if you like it, great. no one is taking it away from you. you do not have install the google apps, you do not need to know anything about them. just ignore.
but someone else might want them, is that really beyond your fanboy imagination?? incredible...
The Applications Developer Agreement makes it clear that Apple has the right to reject applications that they feel duplicates existing functionality provided by Apple. Those agreements have not been ruled illegal, so Apple is within their legal rights to deny said applications.
I say let the marketplace speak.
Google's Android platform is said to be totally open and will allow people to develop any application they wish for it - including adware and malware. If the market is willing to take the bad with the good of an open platform, Android will have an installed userbase of scores of millions of units in a handful of years and it's Application Store will have scores of thousands of applications.
If the Android platform eclipses the iPhone platform, then Apple will either have to respond or risk the iPhone ending up being the next Newton and see users and developers abandon it for Android.
But until that happens, I don't wish Apple to put me and my data at risk by opening the platform up and relaxing standards. Even if those standards are confusing and inconsistent, so far they've protected me and ensured me a continuous positive user experience since Day 1 of the iPhone. And Apple is working, even if too slowly, to make those standards less confusing and more consistent while still protecting me and maintaining a pleasant user experience.
I say let the marketplace speak.
Google's Android platform is said to be totally open and will allow people to develop any application they wish for it - including adware and malware. If the market is willing to take the bad with the good of an open platform, Android will have an installed userbase of scores of millions of units in a handful of years and it's Application Store will have scores of thousands of applications.
If the Android platform eclipses the iPhone platform, then Apple will either have to respond or risk the iPhone ending up being the next Newton and see users and developers abandon it for Android.
But until that happens, I don't wish Apple to put me and my data at risk by opening the platform up and relaxing standards. Even if those standards are confusing and inconsistent, so far they've protected me and ensured me a continuous positive user experience since Day 1 of the iPhone. And Apple is working, even if too slowly, to make those standards less confusing and more consistent while still protecting me and maintaining a pleasant user experience.
I too left the iPhone over this google voice fiasco. I was so excited for google voice that I actually bought an invite before they were more readily available and fell in love with it...despite the fact that I was still waiting on pins and needles for an official app to make it really useful...and then they rejected it. I sold my iPhone 3GS (previously owned both the original and 3g all bought on launch date) within the week and have been using a crappy virgin mobile pay-as-you-go phone waiting for the android HTC Hero to come out...it's coming oct. 11th and I'm going to be the happiest man on the planet! It's good to see that apple really is losing customers over this (although admittedly not that many) - they deserve to - open platforms all the way!
So let me get your logic here. If we criticize Apple, we should not use any of their products? Wow. So then if you disagree with your nation's government, you should renounce your citizenship? Your logic is as good as my 3 year old's.
Yes, it's called enforcing the law.
It applies to Microsoft AND Apple.
Please, clearly and concisely describe the law that is being broken.
This is BS. Apple is corrupt as hell. No cut n paste, no fm radio, no mms, no bluetooth. Then lo and behold they come out with new phones that add each of these features to get fools to buy a new phone each n everytime.
If Microsoft tried something like this maybe their applications and platforms would not be the mess they are.
Yes, it's called enforcing the law.
It applies to Microsoft AND Apple.
I think one problem is that some people assume that the law is some kind of blunt club that they can apply to anybody who looks at them funny and they don't like. That's why we have people screaming "anti-competitive" "Anti-Trust" "illegal" The FTC will slam them" and other meaningless phrases. It doesn't work like that. As many people know, the government gets involved when the law is being violated or suspects that it is. This is just an inquiringly by the FCC. Just becasue a cop stops by your house to see whats going on with the noise from your party doesn't mean that your being dragged down to central booking in handcuffs and put in front of a judge.
Really?
Is that why Steve Jobs said in 2007 that they won't release an SDK because they don't want apps to slow down the iPhone. And then later after the jailbreaking community started creating all sorts of amazing apps and games, Apple decided to release an SDK?
You are right, Apple consistently creates products people want
You're only entitled to as much as Apple, or any other company, chooses to give you.
Really?
Is that why Steve Jobs said in 2007 that they won't release an SDK because they don't want apps to slow down the iPhone. And then later after the jailbreaking community started creating all sorts of amazing apps and games, Apple decided to release an SDK?
You are right, Apple consistently creates products people want
Apple's numbers don't lie. People who buy are the ones creating those numbers.
Go figure.
I bought the iPhone not for the Phone capabilities, I actually don't even use it. I'm using it as small and portable computer to read mail, web functionality, listening to music and some other apps. It's like having an iPod Touch with a 3g cellular modem. I bought it hoping that Apple would change and e.g. approve the Spotify app, which they actually did. I still hope they will allow background execution of third-party apps like Spotify and also full use of 3g cellular for Skype calls, file access, high quality YouTube and video on demand etc. The cellular network in my country can handle it, there is no reason for Apple to not allow this in my country. I think it will happen eventually. If not, I'll buy the Android but right know I think that the iPhone is a better platform that can be even better...
Huh?
I really can't understand how any one can choose sides at this point since it seems to be a big game of he said-she said. Depending on who's telling the truth, the other is probably the bad guy. Maybe they're both lying and they're both the bad guy.
I'm pretty confident that if some software developer hijacked the Windows Desktop or the Blackberry interface or some other visual that's tied to brand identity, both the developer and the owner of that identity would be jumping up and down crying "foul"... the developer complaining about a closed environment and the owner harping about preserving their IP investment.
What did I miss?
I really can't understand how any one can choose sides at this point since it seems to be a big game of he said-she said. Depending on who's telling the truth, the other is probably the bad guy. Maybe they're both lying and they're both the bad guy.
I'm pretty confident that if some software developer hijacked the Windows Desktop or the Blackberry interface or some other visual that's tied to brand identity, both the developer and the owner of that identity would be jumping up and down crying "foul"... the developer complaining about a closed environment and the owner harping about preserving their IP investment.
What did I miss?
Be careful when you are talking about Microsoft. Unlike Apple, they were a convicted monopolist and they still have a sizable market share. Nothing that Apple has comes near Microsoft.
What is an "apologist"? I hope I am wrong, but you seem to be trying hard to introduce a label with negative connotations to categorical repress folks who think a certain way. Please, focus on your supporting arguments instead of heading into the gutter of name calling.
No, I'll continue to use my Apple products because overrall I think they're good. I also own a range of other non-Apple products and use them when they are best suited to the task. I use OSX for home computers and some work purposes, Windows for other work purposes that OS X can't replicate, a Linux-based router because it does things I want better than any of Apple's products, and various smartphones of Apple, Symbian and Windows Mobile varieties.
But I will continue to use forums like these to argue how Apple's products can be improved - if people feel that's such a terrible, terrible thing for an owner of a company's product to do, then that's a shame.
Yea, I can buy a Sports car as an off road vehicle. It wouldn't be a good idea, but I don't go out and think that I bought an ATV or something. When you buy an iPhone, you are getting a Phone first and foremost. Just because it can do other things doesn't change the fact that you have a phone.