i don't see any scientific functions in the built in calculator that comes with the iphone. and there is always the SDK agreement that says you can't make anything to compete with Apple/AT&T
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i don't see any scientific functions in the built in calculator that comes with the iphone. and there is always the SDK agreement that says you can't make anything to compete with Apple/AT&T
Did you try rotating your phone?
Sure many calculators expand the iPhone's own capabilities. This is the same with Google Voice, it would just expand on the phone's abilities.
People in general have this notion that they can have their cake and eat it too. They want an iPhone AND they want to do X. It befuddles me to point out that Apple does not offer that nor did they ever say that they can or will accommodate everybody with this particular product.
Yes, I can understand that realization of this can be hard for people, but thats how things are presented. Vote with your wallet and let the market decide who will win. Remember, one companies failures is an opportunity for success by somebody else.
That´s not correct. I know several iPhone users that use it in the same way as I do. I might use the phone part later but right know I have another phone that my company makes me use. I understand your point, you probably live in the US and don't have the 3g cellular capabilities that we have here in Sweden. If there was an iPod Touch with 3g (iPhone without phone) with lower lost than the iPhone, I'd have consider buying that instead.
I agree. How can apple fanboys defend the draconian tactics from apple/at+t?? This is worse than the crap M$ did with windows...
MAYBE in your little world, but others have taken notice far before you did.
As for this article, who is surprised? Didn't we already assume this is what happened in the first place?
The problem seems to be wanting your cake and eating it too.
People love everything about the iPhone, but want a couple of things a certain way - or else. That's fine, but when a sense of entitlement enters into it (that will at some point clash with company imperatives), tears are the inevitable result.
This goes for anything, really. At some point Apple's closed and controlled system is going to cause some issues. Thankfully, they're minor for the most part. It's inevitable. this goes for any company. But there's a costs vs benefits analysis we all need to make. In light of what we're getting overall, I see no point in vilifying Apple over this continuously, especially when there is so little support for it outside these forums. It really doesn't affect my overall experience with the company's products, and I think the same can be said for a lot of users.
One thing I don't get, if Apple keeps saying it duplicates the core function of the phone app, how is the RingCentral Mobile app still in the app store? It is another phone app that I use daily that works almost identical to my GV Mobile app does, save the SMS feature and the uploading of contacts. RingCentral is the same company who made the AT&T Virtual Receptionist app, so that doesn't look good in my eyes.
i don't see that this news really changes anything.
googles own letter says that a person can still take advantage of GoogleVoice through a call in service. a user is just limited in the functionality. so really theyre just complaining that that don't have a springboard for bringing better features to their users. i'm sorry, i thought that's why they developed the Android, to compete with Apple's business model and have a SUPPOSED open market telecommunications device.
on that note, i also find it interesting that in one part of their letter they say they DON'T review and reject on the basis of CONTENT or FUNCTIONALITY. then at the bottom of the letter they contradict that by saying that if someone reports a violation to the terms of service they will review the app, and reject it, and use the example of ADULT CONTENT. didnt they just say they dont restrict content?! if that were true, wouldnt that mean porn would be allowed because it is content, and we all know you can go to the integrated web browser on the android and get to it that way. what else would they be willing to restrict, or do restrict?
seems to me Google is playing the same game with the Android as Apple is playing with the iPhone, just on a different ball field with slightly different rules.
i'll say the same thing about Google and the Android that i say about Apple and the iPhone. it's their device, they can do with it as they want.
my iPhone has performed exactly as Apple said it would at the time i purchased it, and it has even gained additional functionality as a result of Apple continuing to support it after that sale. and to that last point, despite what some would like to believe, Apple makes no guarantee that they will ever continue to bring additional functionality or features to a device after the sale.
i know a lot of you will call me submissive or an Apple apologist or a FANBOY. go right ahead, because i'll just call you ignorant and uninformed. anyone who buys an iPhone/iPod knows what its abilities are, Apple isn't hiding anything, and has documented quite extensively the terms of service to its buyers as well as the rules regarding the development of apps for developers.
apple has a lot more to worry about than whoever of you out there that feel your precious little Google Voice app has been unjustly treated. they have 50+million users and 65,000+ apps to contend with. they have to meet what the industry likes to call the "Lowest Common Denominator".
Apple even pointed out in their letter that the GV app was scrubbing info from the phone and uploading it to Googles servers without knowledge of the user. Apple indicated that they felt that violated the privacy commitment to its users that it had made. i personally find that to be the true hangman's noose to many of the complaints i keep hearing about Apple's control.
Apple has willfully put itself in a position to protect ALL of its users from ALL apps that could harm, devalue, and yes confuse the user experience of owning an iPhone/iPod. i for one am grateful. i don't have the knowledge or experience or resources to tear apart an app such as GV and determine if it's being sneaky in anyway, or if it will potentially damage my device or data. i depend on Apple for that, which is why i bought their product in the first place, because they made the commitment to me to perform that job.
i understand that there are those of you who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will never get confused, or know that they would never in a million years EVER do anything stupid and put a malicious app on their phones. you want total control of your device that you bought and paid for. i know if given a device and an OS and the opportunity you would be more than capable of handling ALL aspects of protecting yourself and your experience without outside help or intervention. after all, we do have the "most popular" and "largest marketshare" OS in the world called Windows to prove that it is possible for a person to do just that, and to take care of their own security and experience after they've bought a device and an OS straight up and "own it" and "it's theirs" and "they can do with it as they please" and "MS shouldn't get in the way of their rights."
so you can say all you want that Apple is now the big screen in the 1984 ad, and you can say that i'm being submissive and allowing Apple to tell me what i should like, or how i should do this and that or what i should or shouldn't have access to. go ahead, tell me all of that. but in the end, where will it get you? no where. i will still have my Apple iPhone, that is doing the job exactly as Apple had promised me it would do, and i will sleep well at night knowing that the likelihood that even 1% of the apps that i've purchased directly from Apple would even remotely have the possibility of taking control of my life, my information, my experience, my satisfaction with my iphone purchase is unmeasurable.
at the end of the day, the phone that is in my pocket has an Apple logo on it, not a Google logo, or an ATT logo, or any other logo for that matter, an APPLE logo. and no matter what app it is that ends up causing the problem, when a user has a problem, and they can't get something fixed, or an app crashes their iPhone/iPod, it is Apple whose store they walk into and expect a satisfactory resolution to their issue to occur. and if that doesn't happen, it will be Apple's products that they no longer buy, not someone else's.
in the end, Apple didn't design and build the iPhone/iPod for Google alone. they built it for the user. and as such they have to consider the Lowest Common Denominator with regards to their review policies and development guidelines. if Google wants to step on the field and play ball then they'll have to accept all the same set of rules as everyone else.
googles own letter says that a person can still take advantage of GoogleVoice through a call in service. a user is just limited in the functionality. so really theyre just complaining that that don't have a springboard for bringing better features to their users. i'm sorry, i thought that's why they developed the Android, to compete with Apple's business model and have a SUPPOSED open market telecommunications device.
on that note, i also find it interesting that in one part of their letter they say they DON'T review and reject on the basis of CONTENT or FUNCTIONALITY. then at the bottom of the letter they contradict that by saying that if someone reports a violation to the terms of service they will review the app, and reject it, and use the example of ADULT CONTENT. didnt they just say they dont restrict content?! if that were true, wouldnt that mean porn would be allowed because it is content, and we all know you can go to the integrated web browser on the android and get to it that way. what else would they be willing to restrict, or do restrict?
seems to me Google is playing the same game with the Android as Apple is playing with the iPhone, just on a different ball field with slightly different rules.
i'll say the same thing about Google and the Android that i say about Apple and the iPhone. it's their device, they can do with it as they want.
my iPhone has performed exactly as Apple said it would at the time i purchased it, and it has even gained additional functionality as a result of Apple continuing to support it after that sale. and to that last point, despite what some would like to believe, Apple makes no guarantee that they will ever continue to bring additional functionality or features to a device after the sale.
i know a lot of you will call me submissive or an Apple apologist or a FANBOY
. go right ahead, because i'll just call you ignorant and uninformed. anyone who buys an iPhone/iPod knows what its abilities are, Apple isn't hiding anything, and has documented quite extensively the terms of service to its buyers as well as the rules regarding the development of apps for developers.apple has a lot more to worry about than whoever of you out there that feel your precious little Google Voice app has been unjustly treated. they have 50+million users and 65,000+ apps to contend with. they have to meet what the industry likes to call the "Lowest Common Denominator".
Apple even pointed out in their letter that the GV app was scrubbing info from the phone and uploading it to Googles servers without knowledge of the user. Apple indicated that they felt that violated the privacy commitment to its users that it had made. i personally find that to be the true hangman's noose to many of the complaints i keep hearing about Apple's control.
Apple has willfully put itself in a position to protect ALL of its users from ALL apps that could harm, devalue, and yes confuse the user experience of owning an iPhone/iPod. i for one am grateful. i don't have the knowledge or experience or resources to tear apart an app such as GV and determine if it's being sneaky in anyway, or if it will potentially damage my device or data. i depend on Apple for that, which is why i bought their product in the first place, because they made the commitment to me to perform that job.
i understand that there are those of you who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will never get confused, or know that they would never in a million years EVER do anything stupid and put a malicious app on their phones. you want total control of your device that you bought and paid for. i know if given a device and an OS and the opportunity you would be more than capable of handling ALL aspects of protecting yourself and your experience without outside help or intervention. after all, we do have the "most popular" and "largest marketshare" OS in the world called Windows to prove that it is possible for a person to do just that, and to take care of their own security and experience after they've bought a device and an OS straight up and "own it" and "it's theirs" and "they can do with it as they please" and "MS shouldn't get in the way of their rights."
so you can say all you want that Apple is now the big screen in the 1984 ad, and you can say that i'm being submissive and allowing Apple to tell me what i should like, or how i should do this and that or what i should or shouldn't have access to. go ahead, tell me all of that. but in the end, where will it get you? no where. i will still have my Apple iPhone, that is doing the job exactly as Apple had promised me it would do, and i will sleep well at night knowing that the likelihood that even 1% of the apps that i've purchased directly from Apple would even remotely have the possibility of taking control of my life, my information, my experience, my satisfaction with my iphone purchase is unmeasurable.
at the end of the day, the phone that is in my pocket has an Apple logo on it, not a Google logo, or an ATT logo, or any other logo for that matter, an APPLE logo. and no matter what app it is that ends up causing the problem, when a user has a problem, and they can't get something fixed, or an app crashes their iPhone/iPod, it is Apple whose store they walk into and expect a satisfactory resolution to their issue to occur. and if that doesn't happen, it will be Apple's products that they no longer buy, not someone else's.
in the end, Apple didn't design and build the iPhone/iPod for Google alone. they built it for the user. and as such they have to consider the Lowest Common Denominator with regards to their review policies and development guidelines. if Google wants to step on the field and play ball then they'll have to accept all the same set of rules as everyone else.
God, I know. How DARE Apple make an iPhone and then MAKE me want to buy it against my will!? And then, just when I had HOPED that it would be completely open and unrestricted, they kept on regulating it themselves!! The NERVE of some companies... If only the government would listen to MY dramatic wishes and make every business in the country cater to MY needs. And then, all these APOLOGISTS are saying that Apple has some kind of choice in their own operations, that I have to make my own choice as a consumer and that the market will decide the success or failure of a product. Makes me sick.
Even if Apple doesn't approve the Voice app (which imo they should...), I've used GV on my Magic and can't Google just code a webapp that has all the features of a standalone app? Just like Gmail.
Sometimes that is a good thing. Look what happened with banking industry, big 3 autos, etc. G Gordon Gecko would be proud of jobs: greed is good
i don't see that this news really changes anything.
googles own letter says that a person can still take advantage of GoogleVoice through a call in service. a user is just limited in the functionality. so really theyre just complaining that that don't have a springboard for bringing better features to their users. i'm sorry, i thought that's why they developed the Android, to compete with Apple's business model and have a SUPPOSED open market telecommunications device.
on that note, i also find it interesting that in one part of their letter they say they DON'T review and reject on the basis of CONTENT or FUNCTIONALITY. then at the bottom of the letter they contradict that by saying that if someone reports a violation to the terms of service they will review the app, and reject it, and use the example of ADULT CONTENT. didnt they just say they dont restrict content?! if that were true, wouldnt that mean porn would be allowed because it is content, and we all know you can go to the integrated web browser on the android and get to it that way. what else would they be willing to restrict, or do restrict?
seems to me Google is playing the same game with the Android as Apple is playing with the iPhone, just on a different ball field with slightly different rules.
i'll say the same thing about Google and the Android that i say about Apple and the iPhone. it's their device, they can do with it as they want.
my iPhone has performed exactly as Apple said it would at the time i purchased it, and it has even gained additional functionality as a result of Apple continuing to support it after that sale. and to that last point, despite what some would like to believe, Apple makes no guarantee that they will ever continue to bring additional functionality or features to a device after the sale.
i know a lot of you will call me submissive or an Apple apologist or a FANBOY
apple has a lot more to worry about than whoever of you out there that feel your precious little Google Voice app has been unjustly treated. they have 50+million users and 65,000+ apps to contend with. they have to meet what the industry likes to call the "Lowest Common Denominator".
Apple even pointed out in their letter that the GV app was scrubbing info from the phone and uploading it to Googles servers without knowledge of the user. Apple indicated that they felt that violated the privacy commitment to its users that it had made. i personally find that to be the true hangman's noose to many of the complaints i keep hearing about Apple's control.
Apple has willfully put itself in a position to protect ALL of its users from ALL apps that could harm, devalue, and yes confuse the user experience of owning an iPhone/iPod. i for one am grateful. i don't have the knowledge or experience or resources to tear apart an app such as GV and determine if it's being sneaky in anyway, or if it will potentially damage my device or data. i depend on Apple for that, which is why i bought their product in the first place, because they made the commitment to me to perform that job.
i understand that there are those of you who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will never get confused, or know that they would never in a million years EVER do anything stupid and put a malicious app on their phones. you want total control of your device that you bought and paid for. i know if given a device and an OS and the opportunity you would be more than capable of handling ALL aspects of protecting yourself and your experience without outside help or intervention. after all, we do have the "most popular" and "largest marketshare" OS in the world called Windows to prove that it is possible for a person to do just that, and to take care of their own security and experience after they've bought a device and an OS straight up and "own it" and "it's theirs" and "they can do with it as they please" and "MS shouldn't get in the way of their rights."
so you can say all you want that Apple is now the big screen in the 1984 ad, and you can say that i'm being submissive and allowing Apple to tell me what i should like, or how i should do this and that or what i should or shouldn't have access to. go ahead, tell me all of that. but in the end, where will it get you? no where. i will still have my Apple iPhone, that is doing the job exactly as Apple had promised me it would do, and i will sleep well at night knowing that the likelihood that even 1% of the apps that i've purchased directly from Apple would even remotely have the possibility of taking control of my life, my information, my experience, my satisfaction with my iphone purchase is unmeasurable.
at the end of the day, the phone that is in my pocket has an Apple logo on it, not a Google logo, or an ATT logo, or any other logo for that matter, an APPLE logo. and no matter what app it is that ends up causing the problem, when a user has a problem, and they can't get something fixed, or an app crashes their iPhone/iPod, it is Apple whose store they walk into and expect a satisfactory resolution to their issue to occur. and if that doesn't happen, it will be Apple's products that they no longer buy, not someone else's.
in the end, Apple didn't design and build the iPhone/iPod for Google alone. that built it for the user. and as such they have to consider the Lowest Common Denominator with regards to their review policies and development guidelines. if Google wants to step on the field and play ball then they'll have to accept all the same set of rules as everyone else.
basically all you said in this pointlessly lengthy diatribe is "apple can do whatever the hell they want to you so suck it up"
Which is great, if you're satisfied with what's on offer, then obviously that's good for you and no-one here wants to force you to do anything else.
But it's clear from this discussion (and from the popularity of jailbreaking, unlocking etc) that others do want to do more with their machine. Having your cake and eating it, with respect, is a poor metaphor, as is your use of the word entitlement. No-one is demanding that Apple create and provide them with a particular application, nor that everyone must install a particular application.
All they're asking for is not to be actively prevented from using the device the way they want to and installing an application that - for them - improves the iPhone user experience - for them.
If Joe Smith were to install Google Voice or any other application on his iPhone, I guarantee you it won't affect your machine or your happiness with it one bit. So what's the problem exactly?
Most of the apps are crap. There are a few good apps. Unfortunately you have to JB iphone to really benefit from it...
In all fairness, most Western democracies could use a little government regulation here and there. It isn't "Socialism" (the meaning of which has become horribly skewed these days), it's simply a mixed economy. It can be a good thing.
one last thought. here's an example of Lowest Common Denominator for you. how long have computers had a mouse?!
to this day, i would estimate that well over half, maybe even 3/4 of the people i have seen using their computers, when faced with a link on a webpage, will DOUBLE CLICK the mouse instead of SINGLE CLICK the link.
are they stupid? are they malicious? are they uninformed? are they rebels?
it doesn't matter what they are. it is a behavior. and a designer has to consider what he feels COULD be the potential behavior of the end user and design around the Lowest Common Denominator
to this day, i would estimate that well over half, maybe even 3/4 of the people i have seen using their computers, when faced with a link on a webpage, will DOUBLE CLICK the mouse instead of SINGLE CLICK the link.
are they stupid? are they malicious? are they uninformed? are they rebels?
it doesn't matter what they are. it is a behavior. and a designer has to consider what he feels COULD be the potential behavior of the end user and design around the Lowest Common Denominator
Whose side are you on? First you say this is bad, now you say it's necessary. Do you even know what you're talking about?
This is a Google Voice rejection from the App Store thread, btw.
It is because Apple reserves the right to refuse to approve an application that duplicates what they believe to be core functionality. To my knowledge, they have never said that they will reject all such applications out of hand.
So Apple may decide that the amount of functionality it duplicates is "acceptable" or they may feel that allowing such duplication of function - even if it's duplication in entirety - does not "undermine" the overall platform.
So something that is a better calculator or weather application (like WeatherBug) would be allowed, while something that allows users to place calls on the AT&T cellular system say as data and not voice (and as I do not know how Google Voice operates, I am not claiming such for that application) would be rejected because it could allow one to make "unlimited" calls for the cheaper data rate as well as perhaps put additional stress on the cellular system (should a VoIP data call require more resources than a cellular voice call).
Whose side are you on? First you say this is bad, now you say it's necessary. Do you even know what you're talking about?
This is a Google Voice rejection from the App Store thread, btw.
actually you are 100% correct, a little government control isn't Socialism. in fact it is called Fascism.
thinks for pointing that out
Those who bought a PC with Windows 1.0 might have done that knowing that this was not a perfect platform and that there were other alternatives. I bought the iPhone instead of the Android, since the iPhone is a better platform despite Apple's dictatorship. As an owner of the iPhone I have the right to demand slightly more than those who don't own one, do you agree? And if there were a lot of non conservative users that want to use the full potential of the iPhone, do you think that your conservative attitude shall stop them? I don't.