Google Claims That Apple Did Reject Google Voice iPhone Application

[kernkraft]

Ruining the 'Macrumors' experience for all of us - with limited intelligence.

There is a hardcore, trigger-happy, rather shallow and pretentious member among us. He fulfills every criteria to be called an 'Apple Fanboy'. In fact, I would like to call the person stronger names, but let's not go into WW2-territory! Having said that, he/she might be an Apple door-to-door salesperson. Can you spot it?

How come, people have so much time?! I think, some of us should get a life!

What's the point of defending Apple on every single action they make? That indicates limited integrity and limited intelligence.

 

[hashholly]

The problem seems to be wanting your cake and eating it too.

People love everything about the iPhone, but want a couple of things a certain way - or else. That's fine, but when a sense of entitlement enters into it (that will at some point clash with company imperatives), tears are the inevitable result.

This goes for anything, really. At some point Apple's closed and controlled system is going to cause some issues. Thankfully, they're minor for the most part. It's inevitable. this goes for any company. But there's a costs vs benefits analysis we all need to make. In light of what we're getting overall, I see no point in vilifying Apple over this continuously, especially when there is so little support for it outside these forums. It really doesn't affect my overall experience with the company's products, and I think the same can be said for a lot of users.

People need to accept that nothing is perfect, and nothing will 100% be the way they want it to be. Hell in a perfect world i would love for skype to replace the iphone phone app so i can place and receive calls anytime i want. No this will never happen, and i would be a fool to be upset with Apple or anyone else at this point because it hasn't but them the breaks. One has to remember that not too long ago we didnt even have an App store and we were all stuck with those crappy "web-apps"

In the end before people start complaining at Apple for what they have accepted into the app store, or denied they need to ask themselves is it really a deal breaker for them? If it is, people have plenty of options, they may not be on par with the Iphone offering but hey, the iPhone isn't the only touchscreen phone out there.

 

[pdjudd]

That´s not correct. I know several iPhone users that use it in the same way as I do.

Again. So? Moving the goalposts by calling the iPhone something that it is not is irrelevant. It doesn't matter HOW you use it. It matters WHAT it is. A sports care does not become an off road vehicle (along with all the benefits of off road vehicles) simply because I take it off the highway.

I might use the phone part later but right know I have another phone that my company makes me use.

I know a bunch of people that regularly use their own phone and one their company provides. Both as phones. Your point being?

I understand your point, you probably live in the US and don't have the 3g cellular capabilities that we have here in Sweden. If there was an iPod Touch with 3g (iPhone without phone) with lower lost than the iPhone, I'd have consider buying that instead.

Please do not use insulting ad hominum attacks. I have regular access to 3G technology quite regularly thanks you very much.

Your complaint is that there is not an iPod touch with a 3G radio. Well thats not something that Apple offers. My point is. You do not have a computer. You have a Phone. Your phone offers a lot of things, but don;t kid yourself and call it something that it is not.

 

[CWallace]

What's the point of defending Apple on every single action they make? That indicates limited integrity and limited intelligence.

And what's the point of castigating Apple on every single action they make? That would also seem to indicate limited integrity and limited intelligence, would it not? Should they also not do something more with their free time and "get a life"?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

actually you are 100% correct, a little government control isn't Socialism. in fact it is called Fascism.

thinks for pointing that out

What what? Where did I say anything about that?


Also: since when is there a fine line between fascism and socialism? I really don't think you have a strong grasp on these hot button words.

 

[*LTD*]

Whose side are you on? First you say this is bad, now you say it's necessary. Do you even know what you're talking about?


This is a Google Voice rejection from the App Store thread, btw.

I have no problem with the FCC examining the situation, if it's come to that. There has been no ruling and no accusation rendered by the FCC. Someone asked for an inquiry and it's happening.

Apple has the right to reject an app, and I believe the mechanism for responding to inquries about it should be in place as well.

If there was any actual wrongdoing on Apple's part (which we don't know yet), then I fully support a fair ruling.

 

[*LTD*]

actually you are 100% correct, a little government control isn't Socialism. in fact it is called Fascism.

thinks for pointing that out

I think you meant to respond to me.

You seem to be getting your terms mixed up.

 

[nkawtg72]

Those who bought a PC with Windows 1.0 might have done that knowing that this was not a perfect platform and that there were other alternatives. I bought the iPhone instead of the Android, since the iPhone is a better platform despite Apple's dictatorship. As an owner of the iPhone I have the right to demand slightly more than those who don't own one, do you agree? And if there were a lot of non conservative users that want to use the full potential of the iPhone, do you think that your conservative attitude shall stop them? I don't.

ah!!! there's that word again!!!!

RIGHT. "it's my right to...."

i don't know what country you live in (i didn't check), and that's not meant to be an attack. my point is that in the US, no, you don't have the Right to demand anything.

to avoid turning this into a civics lesson, i'll simply refer to the Bill of Rights, and ask that you tell me why i am not correct.

if you don't live in the US, that may not apply to you. hence one of the problems with forums

 

[kernkraft]

And what's the point of castigating Apple on every single action they make?

I wasn't talking to you. Besides, I am not castigating Apple on everything. But it is obvious from the posts that many of us feel that Apple is abusing its position; limiting consumer choice and discouraging development.

 

[pdjudd]

What's the point of defending Apple on every single action they make? That indicates limited integrity and limited intelligence.

On the contrary. There are tons of people, me included that have completely differing stances on many different stances that Apple has made. I for one think that Apple's approach to the App store is terribly flawed in several ways and has lots of improvements to make. I also think that several of Apple's competitors have done things right that Apple has not done. Just because it's flawed doesn't mean that I blame Apple for it and think that my rights are being trampled on. I bought the iPhone knowing it's limitations - it's my job as an informed consumer to do that. Not to mention that App purchases was the last thing on my mind when I got the phone. I thought of App purchasing as a nice bonus, but not something that I would rely on. I didn't think of it as a replacement for what my laptop can do because i saw them as inherently different things.

Not everybody here is a blind religious zealot. You get a lot of fans, because this site is geared toward Apple products, but dismissing people's perspectives because you (general) think they are blind fanbois drinking the kool-aid in the RDF field is no more helpful than the zealots are. You are not going to convince everyone, that doesn't mean that you should dismiss everyone.

 

[*LTD*]

I wasn't talking to you. Besides, I am not castigating Apple on everything. But it is obvious from the posts that many of us in this particular thread, in this forum feel that Apple is abusing its position; limiting consumer choice and discouraging development.

That's kind of an important distinction. Not saying you don't have a right to your opinion, but that the majority here doesn't necessarily reflect opinion at large.

 

[nkawtg72]

What what? Where did I say anything about that?


Also: since when is there a fine line between fascism and socialism? I really don't think you have a strong grasp on these hot button words.

you are correct, i do apologize. somehow my response got attributed to the wrong post.

however there is a distinct line between the two. put simply and generally speaking:
socialism is government ownership
fascism is stricter government control

I think you meant to respond to me.

You seem to be getting your terms mixed up.

yeah, thats very odd. not sure how my response got attributed to the wrong post there.

to clarify my point. there is a distinct line between the two. put simply and generally speaking:
socialism is government ownership
fascism is stricter government control

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

however there is a distinct line between the two. put simply and generally speaking:
socialism is government ownership
fascism is stricter government control

*checks watch*

No way. No way. No way. You have no grasp on either of those words. Lemme guess, Obama is a socialist, right?

So what part of this issue is socialist and what part is fascist?

 

[hanpa]

Your complaint is that there is not an iPod touch with a 3G radio. Well thats not something that Apple offers. My point is. You do not have a computer. You have a Phone. Your phone offers a lot of things, but don;t kid yourself and call it something that it is not.

I'm not complaining. I don't force you to use a certain app on your iPhone, I don't have to use the phone on mine. Actually, in one of Apple's ads, they describe all the great functions and at the end mention that it's also a great phone. Still, I currently don't use the phone part and I'm an adult person that can make my own choices... I don't need the phone part. OK?

 

[Bodah]

I am tired of reading "if I don't like it, go to Android."

I CAN'T, I am locked into a contract for another year with ATT. I can't just leave my iPhone and switch to Android without paying a huge fee.

If I would have known Apple was going to pull this garbage, I doubt I would have gone with them in the first place. Especially since in his keynote, Jobs said the reasons for rejection would be "porn, malicious apps, apps that invade your privacy, illegal content, unforeseen issues, and bandwidth hogs"

 

[dernhelm]

It all depends on the meaning of the word "reject"...

 

[ziggyonice]

BusinessInsider.com reports...

Apple (AAPL) disputes Google's (GOOG) claim that Apple rejected the Google Voice iPhone app.

An Apple rep writes:

“We do not agree with all of the statements made by Google in their FCC letter. Apple has not rejected the Google Voice application and we continue to discuss it with Google.”

Earlier, Google unredacted parts of its filing to the FCC from last month, claiming that Apple did reject the Google Voice app.

via 9to5mac.

 

[kernkraft]

No opinion? How about the negative votes?

That's kind of an important distinction. Not saying you don't have a right to your opinion, but that the majority here doesn't necessarily reflect opinion at large.

Without wasting time on analysing the 200 posts, the negative votes outweigh the positives by 3 to 1. That's a very strong opinion, I think from 100 voters/readers.

 

[hanpa]

ah!!! there's that word again!!!!

RIGHT. "it's my right to...."

i don't know what country you live in (i didn't check), and that's not meant to be an attack. my point is that in the US, no, you don't have the Right to demand anything.

to avoid turning this into a civics lesson, i'll simply refer to the Bill of Rights, and ask that you tell me why i am not correct.

if you don't live in the US, that may not apply to you. hence one of the problems with forums

I fully understand that I don't have the legal right to demand anything. But I demand some attention from Apple and together with a lot of other users with similar needs, Apple might change sooner or later. I live in Sweden.

 

[zombitronic]

Those who bought a PC with Windows 1.0 might have done that knowing that this was not a perfect platform and that there were other alternatives. I bought the iPhone instead of the Android, since the iPhone is a better platform despite Apple's dictatorship. As an owner of the iPhone I have the right to demand slightly more than those who don't own one, do you agree?

I suppose you have the right to demand, but you have to realize that Apple has the right to ignore your demand. I would rephrase that as the right to EXPECT more, given Apple's product history vs. the competition.

And if there were a lot of non conservative users that want to use the full potential of the iPhone, do you think that your conservative attitude shall stop them? I don't.

I don't know what makes you think I throw down with the conservatives, but that's not the reality. Because I'm against unjust regulation? There are situations where regulation is a good thing; I just strongly feel that this is not one of those situations.

In regards to full potential, that's a moot point because full potential cannot be measured. Potential is a product of the future, meaning it doesn't exist in present reality, meaning it doesn't exist. It's an idea. Therefore, you have to judge a device on its limitations, which are usually much more concrete, rather than its potential.

If you're against this particular limitation, that's fine. That still doesn't make a case for forced intervention, as there's nothing illegal about this limitation.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

I agree with you, but at the same time I'm looking at this as a CONSUMER and the apps that I want for this device.

Google & Apple said it themselves in the document: Duplication of Features.

Think about ALL of the apps on the app store. THink about how SO MANY of them DUPLICATE FEATURES on the iPhone.

Give me consistency Apple.

Give app developers confidence in building apps BEYOND games & fart apps.

The iPhone is the best mobile platform, period, but I'd like some longevity in the platform and something MORE sophisticated than yet another Wikipedia app.

w00master

The Consumer doesn't give a rat's ass beyond consistency. The surrogate who seems to be self-appointed and speaking on behalf of the Consumer is who gives a rat's ass. They are competing developers who hide behind the veil of Consumer Choice to garner sympathy from a loud minority voice, in order to gain a foot hold into a market they currently can't control.

 

[*LTD*]

you are correct, i do apologize. somehow my response got attributed to the wrong post.

however there is a distinct line between the two. put simply and generally speaking:
socialism is government ownership
fascism is stricter government control

Government subsidization of a particular sector of your economy is not Socialism. It's part of a mixed economy.

In Canada, for example, we have government subsidization of our health care. It's not perfect, but at least we don't need to take out a second mortgage in order to get surgery. Quite frankly, we wouldn't have it any other way. That's about it. Aside from the regular gamut of programs any other Western democracy implements, Canada is just as capitalist as any other country.

In fact:

http://innovate.typepad.com/innovation/2007/05/most_entreprene.html

There are socialist elements at work in many democracies and "Westernized" nations. Most of them have mixed economies.

Every country has elements of socialism and capitalism. For example the 'capitalists' in Japan have much more govt involvement in business than Canada.

There's not a single country in the world that is purely capitalist (even Hong Kong has some government intervention in its economy), just as there's not a single purely socialist country (even at the height of Communism, China had at least some private sector).

Most developed countries have a mixed economy.

Without wasting time on analysing the 200 posts, the negative votes outweigh the positives by 3 to 1. That's a very strong opinion, I think from 100 voters/readers.

I kind of meant off of our small corner of the internet.

I tend to also think about the average user that doesn't hang out on MR and such sites. We don't represent, by any stretch of the imagination, the bulk of Apple's market.

 

[nkawtg72]

*checks watch*

No way. No way. No way. You have no grasp on either of those words. Lemme guess, Obama is a socialist, right?

So what part of this issue is socialist and what part is fascist?

simmer down there fella.

i'm not trying to turn this into a political discussion.

to try and answer your question short and sweet i was ONLY trying to respond to LTD comment about MORE government control, in matters such as this thread is discussing, not being socialist.

i was simply pointing out that stricter government control is in fact and defined as Fascism.

i will accept wrong doing in that my followup post stated Socialism as being government ownership, when what i meant to typo was Communism being government ownership.

as it has nothing to do with the topic, a discussion of Obama, or Communism is not necessary.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Government subsidization of a particular sector of your economy is not Socialism. It's part of a mixed economy.

In Canada, for example, we have government subsidization of our health care. It's not perfect, but at least we don't need to take out a second mortgage in order to get surgery. That's about it. Aside from the regular gamut of programs any other Western democracy implements, Canada is just as capitalist as any other country.

There are socialist elements at work in many democracies and "Westernized" nations. Most of them have mixed economies.

Every country has elements of socialism and capitalism. For example the 'capitalists' in Japan have much more govt involvement in business than Canada.

The most capitalist country would be somewhere like Switzerland or the Cayman Islands, but even that's debatable.

There's not a single country in the world that is purely capitalist (even Hong Kong has some government intervention in its economy), just as there's not a single purely socialist country (even at the height of Communism, China had at least some private sector).

Most developed countries have a mixed economy.

30% drop out rate currently exists in the US. Oklahoma seniors > 70% couldn't name the first president of the United States of America.

There is a high probability people screaming the US is headed in the wrong direction don't know the difference between their heads from their rears on Economics, Political systems and much more.

 

[Xian Zhu Xuande]

Hmm... Google said one thing, and Apple has come out to say that they do not agree with it. I suppose I don't truly have a reason to believe one company over the other, and plenty of history in missed details through reporting. Rather than pump out a knee-jerk reaction to this one, I'll sit back and see how it plays out.