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Poor Google, all they do is lose money on me. Also, ads in Gmail? Not even close. I use their IMAP service in OSX Mail.

I do the same things as you do but face it, if everyone did this Google would be extinct, they are extremely well off because of ads ;)
 
I'm seriously considering moving to Android when Key Lime is released. They offer Apple like services a lot cheaper! Tired of paying premium when Google is offering their tablets, phones and maps for a lower cost.
Nothing is free my friend. You pay with your privacy. Apple makes money from the sell of the device, Microsoft makes money from the sale of the software either to you or to the device maker, Google makes money from the sale of your personal data that they only have access to if you use their services. The fact that they choose not to make sure the apps from their store are not fake malware says that they will sell you out to anyone as long as no one takes notice. The cost is much higher if your identity is stolen. The quality of these items are also much lower and good luck getting updates like you have become use to. Your phone will be out of service a few months later because their plan is to give you no choice but to upgrade to get a new OS. Good luck with that though. You'll be back.
 
I'm seriously considering moving to Android when Key Lime is released. They offer Apple like services a lot cheaper! Tired of paying premium when Google is offering their tablets, phones and maps for a lower cost.

Depends on how you equate "lower cost", if you feel the loss of privacy has no value then yes it is lower cost, if you feel your privacy has value then no the costs will be much much higher because the "product" being sold is you and your information.
 
Little late actually. I uploaded my music into Apple, Google, and Amazon over a year ago. So what does this really do for me now?

I find that I listen almost exclusively with Apple. Don't want to use my precious bandwidth (particularly mobile) streaming stuff.

Not a rigorous feature comparison. Just what I've ended up doing.
 
I do the same things as you do but face it, if everyone did this Google would be extinct, they are extremely well off because of ads ;)
They don't need you they have every contact you have ever emailed and if you use their phone or google voice they have the numbers and emails and addresses your have stored there. Remember Apple blocked Google Voice because the first thing it did was copy all of your contact data to their servers without your knowledge. They also know as their Chairman once said "Google policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it," "With your permission you give us more information about you, about your friends, and we can improve the quality of our searches," he said. "We don't need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you've been. We can more or less now what you're thinking about." Sounds pretty creepy to me.
 
Depends on how you equate "lower cost", if you feel the loss of privacy has no value then yes it is lower cost, if you feel your privacy has value then no the costs will be much much higher because the "product" being sold is you and your information.

How's this for privacy:

Is your name Keith Whitehead? And are you from Palmerstron, New Zealand? I can also link to your linkedin account.
 
I do the same things as you do but face it, if everyone did this Google would be extinct, they are extremely well off because of ads ;)

I never buy stuff from the ads. If everyone was like me except that they didn't use AdBlock, Google would still be extinct. And if Google was extinct, as an AAPL shareholder, I'd be wealthier :) but I wouldn't have the nice services Google provides :(.

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They don't need you they have every contact you have ever emailed and if you use their phone or google voice they have the numbers and emails and addresses your have stored there. Remember Apple blocked Google Voice because the first thing it did was copy all of your contact data to their servers without your knowledge. They also know as their Chairman once said "Google policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it," "With your permission you give us more information about you, about your friends, and we can improve the quality of our searches," he said. "We don't need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you've been. We can more or less now what you're thinking about." Sounds pretty creepy to me.

Doesn't bother me. All they have is my IP address (which changes) and a fake-named Google account, so I am completely anonymous even within Google.

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Little late actually. I uploaded my music into Apple, Google, and Amazon over a year ago. So what does this really do for me now?

I find that I listen almost exclusively with Apple. Don't want to use my precious bandwidth (particularly mobile) streaming stuff.

Not a rigorous feature comparison. Just what I've ended up doing.

Yes, Google's big fault here is that bandwidth is only becoming more expensive as local storage becomes cheaper. Plus, unlike local storage, bandwidth usage is not a sunken cost! It's linear, not constant.
 
Oh yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you're saying here. I am considering moving my iPhone 5 to a Nexus 4. the iPhone is just not that great anymore, outside of the actual design of the device. iOS feels so backwards and constricting. Google's cloud services are amazing, whereas iCloud is just horrible for the most part. Sadly, I don't think a lot of Apple die hards realize how big the gulf between the two actually is.

What's wrong with iCloud? Works like a charm for me. Besides, every time I look at gmail, I feel like I'm looking at digital barf. Google Docs is nice and clean, but it's nowhere near as powerful as iWork.

As for Apple's products feeling "constricting," I can see why some people might feel that way. It's very possible you might be happier with Android. But most people interpret what you find constricting as simple and elegant and aren't interested in dealing with the complexity that comes with more options. Just look at all the Android users who never bother to change their default home screens, for example. They'd most likely be better off with iOS.
 
So, Apple struck a negotiated deal with all the labels so that they would be compensated for the music uploaded, much of which has been pirated by some.

Now, Google is doing the same thing, without charging anyone for it. How are the artists getting paid for the cloud versions? Is Google just footing the bill? Maybe. Probably. All under the guise of sucking you further into their world where they make money off of who you are, what you do, what you write, what you search for, and what you think.

I'll stick with Apple, paying my fee, so that I'm the customer and not the product.
Me too. I'm good...
 
Depends on how you equate "lower cost", if you feel the loss of privacy has no value then yes it is lower cost, if you feel your privacy has value then no the costs will be much much higher because the "product" being sold is you and your information.

If you care that much about privacy, then its best you don't use the internet at all. At the end of the day, the government knows everything about us.
 
Google is paying royalties for this service but choose to eat this cost instead of passing it on to their consumers.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/indu...free-licensed-scan-and-match-1008054612.story

Google, which launched its scan-and-match locker service in Europe in November, today (Dec. 18) introduced the service in the U.S., having secured the necessary copyrights to do so from the three major labels, as well as some independent music labels.

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Both Apple and Amazon allow streaming and downloading from the Match.
Google is just streaming right? (you can't download it?)
 
How are you guys always late with the reports. I reported his already...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1510267/

You might have announced it first, but you had very little proper detail in comparison.

Compare:
Looking out the window and saying "it might rain today..."
Looking at a news report with imagery, research, and details of rain at 4:45pm

Silly comparison, but I know what I mean! Lengthy comments via iPad? Not easy
 
Nothing is free my friend. You pay with your privacy. Apple makes money from the sell of the device, Microsoft makes money from the sale of the software either to you or to the device maker, Google makes money from the sale of your personal data that they only have access to if you use their services. The fact that they choose not to make sure the apps from their store are not fake malware says that they will sell you out to anyone as long as no one takes notice. The cost is much higher if your identity is stolen. The quality of these items are also much lower and good luck getting updates like you have become use to. Your phone will be out of service a few months later because their plan is to give you no choice but to upgrade to get a new OS. Good luck with that though. You'll be back.

hey Kurt Howard from Baton Rouge, you value your privacy?
 
hey Kurt Howard from Baton Rouge, you value your privacy?
Yes I do. I prefer the ability to share what I want and not have the data on my phone or on my computer sold to the highest bidder. I don't have google scanning my emails to determine the course of my life or transcribing my google voice calls. It sounds like you are one of their slaves, if so I can promise they no more about you and your family than you can ever find out about me.
 
Remember that if you are signed into ANY Google service on a computer, cell phone or tablet, then Google will keep specific records of every search you perform. When you are not signed in, they keep them for a limited time, then delete them. But when you are signed in, such as with GMail, GoogleDocs, GoogleMusic (whatever its called), YouTube, etc, then Google's policy is to track your searches and keep them on there servers under your account FOREVER.

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To clarify, Google keeps every search performed through Google ever, and always. But as far as associating that search with you, it's only permanently associated if the search is performed while you are "signed in" to Google. Listening to music stored in Google's cloud would definitely qualify as being signed in.

This is not ok with me. Just my $.02.

Not okay for you, that's fine. But the reality is I'm not paying for Maps, I'm not paying for Cloud, I'm not paying for an amazing search engine that has made my life that much easier, I'm not paying for a massive amount of space on my email, and I'm not paying for a backup of my phone so that I never have to manually backup anything (I do that anyway via a hard drive, however). I'm not paying for anything except apps, which I buy, to support the development community and keep ads aways.

If that means Google makes some pennies off of me via advertisement that I cancel out via a popup blocker that negates everything that's thrown at me, so be it. I also couldn't care less if Google looks at my searches; I have literally nothing to hide. I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Google does that's any different from what any other company does. They all data mine. Hell, if you have a problem with Google then you have a problem with Apple, and you have a problem with the US government, and you have a problem with the FBI. The Patriot Act negates any internet privacy you might have had in the past. Sorry to say it, but that's the truth. And even then, people look up "how to make a bomb" all the time, and get away with it. Unless you're doing incredibly shady stuff, you have very little to worry about.
 
If you care that much about privacy, then its best you don't use the internet at all. At the end of the day, the government knows everything about us.
How silly. The government isn't in business to sell your data to the highest bidder or to carelessly allow hackers access to your phone and computer because they will let any software into their store and its unto you to figure out it was malware. Kind of like this one. They are making millionaires it just the criminals though.
http://www.ehackingnews.com/2012/10/hacker-arrested-for-fake-android-app-virus.html

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Not okay for you, that's fine. But the reality is I'm not paying for Maps, I'm not paying for Cloud, I'm not paying for an amazing search engine that has made my life that much easier, I'm not paying for a massive amount of space on my email, and I'm not paying for a backup of my phone so that I never have to manually backup anything (I do that anyway via a hard drive, however). I'm not paying for anything except apps, which I buy, to support the development community and keep ads aways.

If that means Google makes some pennies off of me via advertisement that I cancel out via a popup blocker that negates everything that's thrown at me, so be it. I also couldn't care less if Google looks at my searches; I have literally nothing to hide. I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Google does that's any different from what any other company does. They all data mine. Hell, if you have a problem with Google then you have a problem with Apple, and you have a problem with the US government, and you have a problem with the FBI. The Patriot Act negates any internet privacy you might have had in the past. Sorry to say it, but that's the truth. And even then, people look up "how to make a bomb" all the time, and get away with it. Unless you're doing incredibly shady stuff, you have very little to worry about.
data mining and giving criminals access to your phone is two different things. Google can not be trusted. They have allow these apps in their store and refused to put in measure that protect their customers because they don't think its important.
http://www.ehackingnews.com/2012/10/hacker-arrested-for-fake-android-app-virus.html
 
Yes I do. I prefer the ability to share what I want and not have the data on my phone or on my computer sold to the highest bidder. I don't have google scanning my emails to determine the course of my life or transcribing my google voice calls. It sounds like you are one of their slaves, if so I can promise they no more about you and your family than you can ever find out about me.

http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html

So all these businesses, non profits, governments, and schools are allowing Google to sell all their confidential emails eh?

The links you posted below are symptoms that come with an open OS. Is it Microsoft's fault when someone gets malware on a PC? Open systems require more diligince on the part of the user, yes.
 
You are wrong. If you are signed into Google, via Google Docs, Gmail, Google's own search engine page ("Sign In"), YouTube, etc, then they know very specifically that the search was performed by you. And they associate that search on their server with you forever.
You're not that interesting. They don't care about you specifically. You're just a piece of the aggregate data. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
You're not that interesting. They don't care about you specifically. You're just a piece of the aggregate data. Sorry to burst your bubble.

People have no clue. I work in advertising and can tell you for a fact none of the data collected is PII. Everything is done with partial masked IP addresses and unique identifier IDs (cookie IDs). All you are is a random number and some bits of data
 
They don't need you they have every contact you have ever emailed and if you use their phone or google voice they have the numbers and emails and addresses your have stored there. Remember Apple blocked Google Voice because the first thing it did was copy all of your contact data to their servers without your knowledge. They also know as their Chairman once said "Google policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it," "With your permission you give us more information about you, about your friends, and we can improve the quality of our searches," he said. "We don't need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you've been. We can more or less now what you're thinking about." Sounds pretty creepy to me.

creepy yeh but Google are not going to use that information to make our lives worse off and if you got nothing to hide why worry? I have danced around in my underwear on a stage in front of 200k people. The last concern I have is that Google knows that my best mate and I went to see Skyfall last night hahahahaha
 
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