AHHAHA yeah, people tend to forget that others travel a lot and that ISPs all over the world are not reliable.
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Google Launches 'Music Beta' Cloud Service
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AHHAHA yeah, people tend to forget that others travel a lot and that ISPs all over the world are not reliable.
Given that Google delivered on almost nothing they promised at last year's I/O (and what they did deliver mostly flopped) I'd say this is a lot less definitive than you make it sound. Also, where Apple wins is not in getting there first, but being the first to implement it in a way that doesn't require the users to be a card-carrying member of the Geek Club. Google's music thing will require a very intuitive interface and a no-hassle approach for the end user, and that's not something Google is known for.
The cloud means:
1) Data protection. Your data is backed up to the cloud and not reliant on the whims of your HDD.
2) Freedom. You can sync to your data anywhere, anytime. No having to register and sync your device to your individual copy of iTunes just to make it work.
3) Flexibility. You can swap music/playlists from your library to your device on the fly. No more being tethered to your home Mac for updates.
4) Lower cost experience. No need for an expensive device with a high storage capacity. The cloud is your storage device.
The latter is not in Apple's interest, but I doubt its cloud service will offer as much capacity as Google Music at no cost.
Let's get our heads out of the Cloud for a moment, shall we?
1. Cloud services have already lost user data in many instances. Your faith in the Cloud for backing up your data is unwise.
2. Depends on whether Google's music service survives the inevitable lawsuits from the music industry. And honestly, I've never felt any loss of freedom over how iTunes works. I guess we're all different, but the only people I hear complaining about iTunes attacking our freedom are geeks on discussion boards. Out in the real world... crickets.
3. My iPod holds so much music, I've never been in the situation where I needed to swap music or playlists on-the-fly. To me, waiting for a playlist to download sounds like a pointless exercise and something most users would probably avoid anyway.
4. You'll pay for it one way or another, whether in fees or advertising. Frankly, I'm the type who likes to pay for things up-front and be done with it. If Google's music service requires advertising and user data mining, I'm not interested.
Let's talk about what the Cloud doesn't offer you.
1. Immediate, offline access to all your files.
2. Privacy from prying eyes.
3. Ability to control the location and copies of your data.
4. Speed. Access to data is not bottlenecked by network connection speeds.
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I still have to stream the music every time I want to listen to it. Why would I do that when it's already in my pocket or on my laptop? Seems like a gross misuse of data. It'd be cool if I didn't have to upload my 10 GB of music. They could just scan my library and see what I have and match it to what they have on their server. Then I can make playlists and whatever other changes I want and just push the changes to my iPod or phone or whatever. To me that would make some sense. I just see no reason to rely on the internet to listen to music. I rely on it for tons of other things like writing papers, social networking email, videos, and more. But music doesn't make much sense to me...
Couldn't agree more. Cloud is good for many things to a certain extent, but putting all your fate in a cloud computing is a bad practice. As you said it it's a waste of data and speaking about mobile devices even bigger waste of data which clogs wireless frequencies.
The way the cloud that google is working on will work is really cool. it will allow you to store 20,000 songs on their server. On your phone you will be able to steam it and from any computer. But where it gets really cool is that it allows you to download songs right off you cloud. It saves the last 20~100 songs you listen to onto your phone. It will be quite impressive.
Why is it branded "Music 'Beta'"?
Oh wait... it's Google.
Also, it's an actual beta.
This whole "cloud" thing is getting out of hand.
Also, I don't want to have to depend on having my data on some server "somewhere." I want physical access to it, and not have to worry about internet connection speeds in order to get that access.
Why so much unneeded hate
It seems a lot of you just want Google to fail for some reason. (I don't understand why my self.) Google does things different then many companies in the world. Google prefers to be open with its Consumers about its products and get feedback from them as they develop it. Apple...Well is Apple.
Its a beta because well. IT IS A BETA. It is still in testing. Google is just kind enough to say "this is what we are working on would you like to possibly help us test." You have to realize they operate very open. Google prefers to be a very open company in its R&D. For them it seems like the best approach. Yeah they have many programs and Projects that get scrapped in the beta process. But How many Apple Project do you think get scrapped before you hear about it?
Google informs you what they are working on apple surprises you with what they were working on.
My next point is to all the people saying a cloud service is stupid and impractical. Please do not sign up and just ignore the Cloud service apple is working on. It is stupid and impractical.
It seems a lot of you just want Google to fail for some reason. (I don't understand why my self.) Google does things different then many companies in the world. Google prefers to be open with its Consumers about its products and get feedback from them as they develop it. Apple...Well is Apple.
Its a beta because well. IT IS A BETA. It is still in testing. Google is just kind enough to say "this is what we are working on would you like to possibly help us test." You have to realize they operate very open. Google prefers to be a very open company in its R&D. For them it seems like the best approach. Yeah they have many programs and Projects that get scrapped in the beta process. But How many Apple Project do you think get scrapped before you hear about it?
Google informs you what they are working on apple surprises you with what they were working on.
My next point is to all the people saying a cloud service is stupid and impractical. Please do not sign up and just ignore the Cloud service apple is working on. It is stupid and impractical.
No they are not, obviously you don't know what you are talking about.
If a stupid Chinese manufacturer decide to build a 7" tablet, with a resistive screen and an old ARM11 500Mhz CPU, Google isn't responsible.
Source is available for everyone.
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You can have physical and cloud access to your data. This isn't a case of one or the other, both are possible.
No one is telling everyone to dump local copies of their data.
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You can have physical and cloud access to your data. This isn't a case of one or the other, both are possible.
No one is telling everyone to dump local copies of their data.
If you have the internet connection for cloud its brilliant. I have a 100mb connection and no cap. Some nights I have 4 people streaming videos off the iplayer etc. I cant wait till theres somewhere I can do this with new TV shows and movies which I can trust. The music is a bonus and thats why I am hoping Amazon kick on in the uk.
Open as in the Source Code.
- Sideloading is not being open. Sideloading is being less restrictive.
Oh well, sideloading is still not allowed on some phones.
- You probably overlook the fact that Android is nothing but an iOS copy - less featured, less restrictive.
He wasn't pointing that Android is not open for 'you'. He meant, Android is as open as Google wants it to be.
Even I respect the way you see it, but Google is way hypocritical when they allowed Manufacturers and Carriers to ******* with their phones. They really don't care how bad/good their phone is. All they want is the support from these guys so they could sell more. Typical google.
As for my experience with Nexus S and HTC desire HD: great phones but highly incompetent.
Less restrictive but otherwise useless.
How could it be any less cumbersome? (Seriously, not trying to be sarcastic here). It's as simple as moving files around. Of course it's going to take time, but that's because it's a lot of large-ish files. Not sure how anything could be any simpler.
Yeah I understand that. Using a could based music service as a backup is easier. I dont know what everyone else's music collection is like but depending on what source you get it from, the labels and track information isnt always correct. I am a nut when it comes to music organization and for me it seems that having a web based backup that I can drag and drop from anywhere is just easier. Plus you missed my initial point that Itunes does NOT let you re download lost files.
Without pointing fingers, let's just say that any music you've obtained from "sources where the labels and track information isn't correct" is NOT music you want to be putting up on the cloud.
And iTunes does let you replace files if your harddrive crashes. Email support and let them know. They'll enable a re-download of your purchases.
That idea sounds great for a couple songs but re-downloading 5000 songs? Especially having to search them all out? I am sorry but that is horribly inconvenient. I am a gambling person and I am willing to bet Apple will release something very similar at WWDC and then this idea will be the greatest thing in the world. In response to your in Insinuation that all my music is pirated...The majority of my music comes from ripped CDs and depending on the age of the disc MP3 data isnt avail, guy.
You don't have to search anything out. You get an automatic download package, just like you'd receive if you had new episodes in a TV series season pass.
And you're talking about using the cloud for backup, but complaining about how long it's going to take to download your files...from the cloud...
I have hundreds of GB of music ripped from CDs. And the only songs that I haven't been able to automatically pull in for are either homemade compilations or local bands. That includes CDs from all genres, from all ages. So you must be verrrrry unlucky ;-)
you guys should try out 'audiogalaxy'
in the app store..and free download the from the web first...its a cloud thingy.
works awesome.
in the app store..and free download the from the web first...its a cloud thingy.
works awesome.