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Google/Motorola Developing Flagship Phone to Compete with Apple and Samsung
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Tell me where is the Samsung ecosystem.
Ah, by the way, in Europe Amazon is not selling like in the USA. You know why?
And what benefit would have Samsung forking Android? And, please, don't say look at Amazon. Give an answer for Samsung, the best Android seller
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I know that if any brand of phone could get my sales besides Apple, then I think it would be Motorola. I recently sold my RAZR 2.0(I think) in November of last year, for $30 because it still worked perfectly after a couple of years of use and a few more years being stored in a ziplock bag at the bottom of a storage tub and in the back of a closet.
Yes, i can agree, in comparison to their own collective OS's, Android 4.0 and up was a much huger and bigger update then iOS 6 was to iOS. With that being said, I have found that game performance on iOS devices like the i5, i4S and even the 4 is just much more superior then Android devices. (Thats the beauty of only having to develop for a few sets of hardware, and for Apple always including top of the line GPU's in their devices) safari performance on the iPhone 5 is unmatched imho... I have played with a Galaxy S3 and Evo 4g LTE on jelly bean and the browser still checkerboards or white boxes when you scroll in and out and I find the i5 browser speed to just be a little bit faster then these Android devices.,
Yeah I did see the geekbench scores. The S3 dual core version gets a score of about 1400 while the i5 gets a score of 1600. The quad core S3 gets like 1800 or 1750 around that area. But the i5's memory performance blows away all these devices and thats very crucial in certain apps. But like you said its not exactly clear on what device is faster but i think we can all agree the gaming side is still unmatched on iOS
My bad if this is a little hard to read I just woke up lol
But Samsung doesn't need to Fork Android to make their own app store. Amazon's appstore for Android works on Android devices that are not Kindles.
Again, not a reason to fork Android. You still don't understand what component you're talking about and at this point, I think you haven't quite figured out what forking means in the open source world (X.org vs Xfree86 being a great example).
And you keep responding to my posts without any actual insight or educate statements. End of discussion in my book.
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Aren't the new RAZR line phones being well received ? I think I read something about the RAZR Maxx HD being quite the phone.
That isnt going to happen.
Everyone has opinions. It is just funny how far off some opinions go than others. I dont see why Amazon would make a dent in Samsungs sales in phones or Tablets. Both are using Android and both have their own ecosystems. Samsung has an app store and other things as well. Its just my guess that it gets used more in other countries. I dont use Samsungs app store but i have downloaded 1 thing from it and Samsung dispite what you think, ...they make good phones.
Their Galaxy line is becoming a monster and is a big competitor with the iPhone and has taken many customers from them.
Google is doing just fine as well and will continue to grow.
The Nexus one didnt sell that many phones at all. You could only get one from Google or on eBay if someone was selling theirs. Nobody knew about it. They only sold 20k of them in the first week so it was NOT competitive as far as sales with other phones but at the time that it came out, its specs were on par with others and actually a better phone than most Android devices back then.
Your right, the NS and GNex were subpar and this is my point. They dont get the best specs because they are developers phones. And in fact, if you go to Android Central, there is a thread that a developer started stating that he wished the N4 was still basically for developers and hoped it didnt sell well with consumers so it could stay pretty much for them.
The N4 has better specs but they didnt up them at all. They are on par with the GS3 for camera and screen specs and such. Its a nice phone and it is my opinion that they gave it those on par specs because it has caught on with consumers. Nowe if they could just fix the crap battery with a software update then it would be great....though i dont like the glass back.
If Google really wanted it to grow, they wouldnt just sell it on their Play Store and only at T-Mobile and like i said before, not every T-Mobile carries them. There arent any here in Las Vegas. Verizon most likely wont get the N4.
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Eh, the N7 has been out for months now and has sold tons of them. The iPad mini is a new device and it is nice but the screen on the N7 is much better.
We have a Mini and a N7 in our house and surprise.....i prefer the N7 but my Daughter likes the Mini.
I think the RAZR line has always been well received. If memory serves me well enough, I think the RAZR flip phones were some of the most popular phones on the market before the touch screen smartphones made their appearance.
I have no doubt that they can make good products and if this next phone with Google could be a major competitor and rival of Apple and Samsung. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see why the company in charge of the OS and now the hardware as well couldn't have the potential to disrupt current market trends.
Then how is that the bloody Nexus 4 demand is so high that i cannot seem to even hope to get one!?
Which Motorola phones do you have personal experience with and what problems have you encountered?
They make it sound like Google hasn't got already a phone that competes with the iPhone...
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Haha, a huge failure, my friends couldn't even get one for a long time because of the huge demand. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
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Seriously? It sounds like you haven't used iOS for that long... I've been using iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4 and 4S, and had problems with reception, losing calls (Hello!! Antenna-gate anyone?), it froze at least a few times... And don't make me laugh by saying that you don't have to wait for an app to load on iOS.
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Haha, a huge failure, my friends couldn't even get one for a long time because of the huge demand. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
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Seriously? It sounds like you haven't used iOS for that long... I've been using iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4 and 4S, and had problems with reception, losing calls (Hello!! Antenna-gate anyone?), it froze at least a few times... And don't make me laugh by saying that you don't have to wait for an app to load on iOS.
I mentioned this in another reply. Their situation is significantly different.
1. Amazon had no pre existing investment in Android prior to entering the market.
2. Amazon had no preexisting relationship with Google
3. Amazon didn't have millions of existing Android users to alienate with their fork.
4. Amazon had a massive content ecosystem ready and waiting to go.
5. Amazon make their money from content and services, not hardware and so are more like Google. Samsung almost exclusively make their money from hardware and so their model is closer to Apple.
6. Amazon weren't already making billions per quarter in profit from Android.
7. Samsung has a lot more to lose if they fail.
I don't believe this for one second. Before replying, consider the fact that the margins that Apple makes on every other device they sell are almost unheard of in the IT industry. By Apple standards iPad might be a low-margin device but almost any other company would be more than happy with those figures.
You want to look at funky margins, check out iPod Touch Vs iPhone 5.
In my country the pricing is:
iPod Touch 32GB: $329
iPhone 5 32GB: $899
Help me out here, but to me it seems like Apple is charging $570 for a GSM/LTE chip? Most of this amount is pure profit to Apple.
Actually Nexus (and in particular the Nexus One) was primarily created to:
1. Provide a reference device for Application development.
2. Set a high standard for hardware specs in Android devices as Google was unhappy with the level of hardware being produced by OEMs until then.
Over the next few iterations the focus of the program shifted slightly.
See above. And by all accounts, Amazon make little to nothing off their tablets and they only do it because each one sold represents a potential customer for their content and services (like what Google is going with Nexus).
Samsung isn't in this market. They are profiting from their hardware sales and they don't have a content ecosystem. They are banking on people paying a premium for premium hardware. This is exactly the same reason why Apple can charge the prices they do.
They have been able to do this because of the innovative customisations they have made to Android, their marketing and their ability to differentiate their Android devices in a crowded market (See the unexpected success of the Note series).
Given the example Samsung has set, no, they don't need undercut Google. They need to differentiate themselves enough that people will pay a premium.
Anyway, I simply can't see this fork happening and people forget that Samsung and Google are very close partners and they need each other as they are both making a lot of money from the arrangement. If either party becomes dissatisfied with the situation you can bet that they will invest a lot of resources into remedying the situation prior to running off and doing something very costly just to spite the other. That's an Apple move.
For evidence of this look at Google's reaction to Apple's Maps decision and Samsung's reaction to Apple cutting them out of their supply chain. They reacted in the same way and that was that neither could understand Apple's inability to separate the competition between the companies in one area and the partnerships that existed in other areas. Samsung and Google both take a much more pragmatic approach to these kinds of things.
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The answer to you question is none because I quit buying them. Over the last three years, I have had three Motorola standard cell phones die on me or have some kind of malfunction that made them not work properly. On one phone I could hear incoming calls but the party on the other end could not hear me. Another would lock up and could only be rebooted by removing the battery. When I moved, I had to buy a GSM phone so right now I own a simple Nokia. (See my signature.) It is obviously a lot smaller but built like the brick that Motorola used to be. If Nokia used the Android system rather than Microsoft, I would feel OK buying one of their smartphones.
Besides the phones, the most disappointing purchase was my Motorola Xoom tablet. After only about 6 months, I went to turn it on one morning and had nothing. Best Buy where I bought it wanted to send it back to Motorola and said it would take at least a month. I said never mind and bought an iPad2. When I bought the Xoom, I gave away my iPad1 to my sister-in-law. It still works.
I don't think anyone could accuse me of being a fanboy. Right now I am totally frustrated by Apple policies on overseas access to the iTunes and App store. But it will take more than a few good reviews to get me to buy another Motorola. There are a lot of things wrong with Apple but for most of the products, the hardware is just more reliable.
They both sound like software issues and presumably Google would be producing the software for the device.
Motorola generally make very solid hardware with a great build quality. They also like to use metal.
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This is not Apple's fault. This is due to the technophobic content/media providers and the fact that a company wanting to set up a store like this needs to enter into lengthy negotiations in each and every region, even if the content/media provider is owned by a company they have already reached agreements in other regions with. It's a massive challenge and it's one of the main reasons Samsung would dread setting up their own ecosystem.
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They were the best selling flip phone and sold 130M-150M units over a four year period.
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The Galaxy Nexus was based on the 8 month old Galaxy S2, which was a flagship phone upon it's release, so it wasn't that far behind the curve.
Where the GNex really shines is in software. It has been getting better and faster with each Android release. UX has increased significantly as well.
Weak camera, bad battery life. Again, don't care what it was based from. It's a developer phone.
MG1 I say?
It is about time that Google does something with Motorola, however it will be a kick in the face for HTC and all the other MFG. of Android phones.
I am not sure how far behind you think Apple is though, because if you ask me the iPhone 5 is an awesome device, and yes I had an SGIII for like 3 weeks, it was really nice, but on the downside I personally hate having to have a gmail account to use the phone. On the other side they both have their positives and negatives, but I think they are evenly matched.
It is about time that Google does something with Motorola, however it will be a kick in the face for HTC and all the other MFG. of Android phones.
I am not sure how far behind you think Apple is though, because if you ask me the iPhone 5 is an awesome device, and yes I had an SGIII for like 3 weeks, it was really nice, but on the downside I personally hate having to have a gmail account to use the phone. On the other side they both have their positives and negatives, but I think they are evenly matched.
Why? All that does is make everything sync without having to manually do it. You don't have to use the Gmail account. Can't see a downside to that.
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I don't have a RAZR Maxx but hear the battery is very good.
And a 7'2" guy is taller then a 4'11" midget.
The MAXX has a 3300 mAH battery as opposed to the iPhone5's 1440...
because they can profit from being the owner of the OS like apple do with IOS. They can sell the default search engine to Bing instead of using Google. They can take a cut of all mobile commerce initiate from the device. they can charge 30% of everything that the Samsung app store sell. The default map to Nokia. The ecosystem is the same as Android. The same app can run into a forked Android without any change. All Samsung need to do is to take Android the way it is. Take away the name, and don't use the Google Play, google voice etc and they can call it anything they want to. If you think the value of the "soft profit" generate by each mobile device is $10, selling 400M unit a year is going to generate an additional 4B profit for Samsung. If they choose to upgrade the older smartphone that they sell, they can generate additional profit.. Google is not providing Android for free. They make money doing that too same as Apple making money long after they sell the Iphone and Ipad.
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For the first 3 months ASUS said that Nexus 7 sold 2.3M units +-... Any guess as to how many Ipad min will Apple sell in the first 3 months?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/manufacturer-spills-beans-on-google-nexus-7-sales/
heh heh, why don't you educate us what forking really mean then? In my book, it is as simple as Samsung take the source code, take away all the reference to Android and they can call whatever the remaining code is. That is what Amazon did. Why don't you tell us what did Amazon do that Samsung can't? And why wouldn't Samsung be at least think about the additional profit that go into Google pocket now? Don't take yourselve too seriously. The mobile world is moving so fast now, everyone is exploring every angle to divide up the profit. We are just a bunch of innocent users trying to make some sense of the world out there. I bet that you have never looked at a company balance sheet before and hence has no concept of how company make money.
Google just did a major layoff in Motorola and they are talking about developing flagship phone competing with Samsung and Apple... It does not make any sense. The best technical folks are long gone already.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-to-layoff-even-more-people-at-Motorola_id35179