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When will the Verizon get it?:mad:

I will jump to Verizon as soon as it gets it!

Verizon is awesome in my area!

ATT sucks!
 
No cellphone carrier option

Is anyone else going to release a device comparable to an iPod touch? That is, a device that doesn't include any network connection other than wifi. A developer could be interested in a platform without wanting to pay premium for an unlocked device or maintain multiple cellphone contracts. Apple has a real advantage over the other app stores since they have a commanding lead and the inexpensive alternative. There are also all those portable app users who don't want to spend $100 per month for the privilege. Why is Apple the only company that has figured this out?
 
Is anyone else going to release a device comparable to an iPod touch? That is, a device that doesn't include any network connection other than wifi.

Archos has an Android-based media player. I don't know if it's multitouch or if it has impressive enough specs to be useful for advanced apps, but I do know that it shipped with Android 1.5, won't be upgraded, and is thus completely obsolete and pointless. Hooray for fragmentation.
 
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hwhalers said:
Is anyone else going to release a device comparable to an iPod touch? That is, a device that doesn't include any network connection other than wifi.

Archos has an Android-based media player. I don't know if it's multitouch or if it has impressive enough specs to be useful for advanced apps, but I do know that it shipped with Android 1.5, won't be upgraded, and is thus completely obsolete and pointless. Hooray for fragmentation.

Check out my user agent above. ZOMG Android 1.6 on the archos 5! What made you assume it wasn't updatable?

It doesn't support multitouch as it has a resistive touchscreen tho so you are correct in that respect. It supports Bluetooth keyboard and mouse input and I'm sure with the hdmi docking ststion can output 720p graphics in the os so it could theoretically be used as a portable Android computer combined with a bt keyboard and mouse.

The biggest problem with it is that I don't believe android 1.5 or 1.6 fully support the Arm cortex chipset so 3d accelleration is a no go at the moment. Hopefully an Android 2.0 (or higher) announcement would help this bit from a media aspect (the reason I asked for it for xmas) its fine.
 
Check out my user agent above. ZOMG Android 1.6 on the archos 5! What made you assume it wasn't updatable?

Bad sources. Mea culpa :).

The biggest problem with it is that I don't believe android 1.5 or 1.6 fully support the Arm cortex chipset so 3d accelleration is a no go at the moment.

That's unfortunate. Apart from the screen, the hardware looked relatively interesting. I've always thought the Archos stuff is too big, but if it works for its users, who's to complain?
 
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hwhalers said:
Check out my user agent above. ZOMG Android 1.6 on the archos 5! What made you assume it wasn't updatable?

Bad sources. Mea culpa :).

The biggest problem with it is that I don't believe android 1.5 or 1.6 fully support the Arm cortex chipset so 3d accelleration is a no go at the moment.

That's unfortunate. Apart from the screen, the hardware looked relatively interesting. I've always thought the Archos stuff is too big, but if it works for its users, who's to complain?

I do hope that the thing gets 2.0 but this is where Android is at a huge disadvantage compared to iPhone os and Apple's hardware lineup. Every single iPod touch and iPhone is able to run at its full potential thanks to their hardwae design and control.

What swayed me towards the archos is that I listen to a lot of web radio (di.fm, last.fm and I've recently been playing with deezer) and the lack of multitasking on the IPod touch would mean I wouldn't be able to browse whilst streaming. :(

For apps and games, iPod touch is the only way to go at the moment imo! :)
 
why Google is selling this phone

I see this as a push for a larger goal for Google -- the one thing Google has been weak on is since in most customer interactions everything is free, they have a lot of work to do in building up their payment ecosystem anf getting people used to paying Google for things.

Google checkout has been seen as a failure, but they continue slowly increasing its footprint for their use, which tells us how strategic they see it. How important Itunes has been to Ipod/Iphone success is unquestionable, the payment system was already set up.

In part at least, I have to think that Google moving Android handsets to Gcheckout is motivated by the desire to push checkout. It's really no different than paypal, once you have one its quite easy to use. Often said that a downside of google app store is you have to use google checkout, but that certainly is not a downside to Google, it's vital, and once the nuisance is overcome their ecosystem becomes much stronger. It was no less a nuisance that Itunes did not use Paypal back in the day.

Looking down the road, towards youtube subscriptions they've talked about, a possible ebook store they've talked about, whatever they bolt into the chrome os ecosystem, a strong checkout is vital for them. I think they missed the boat on lala.com, as that would have meshed perfectly with both their cloud strategy a la chrome os, and given them another way to strongly push checkout to casual users. That was a very important purchase by Apple.
 
A friend of mine has one of these (he works for Google), and I watched someone else playing with it (didn't take any crappy cell phone pictures, sorry). Didn't seem all that great, the interface was quick enough but the buttons were small and not very intuitive. It's not bad, but it's no iPhone.

jW
 
"They're not going to save us from the "making money off of hardware" culture we've got right now"

I'm sorry, is the idea of a company making money off their product something new?? I could have sworn it was the foundation of any successful business..
 
Is anyone else going to release a device comparable to an iPod touch? That is, a device that doesn't include any network connection other than wifi. A developer could be interested in a platform without wanting to pay premium for an unlocked device or maintain multiple cellphone contracts. Apple has a real advantage over the other app stores since they have a commanding lead and the inexpensive alternative. There are also all those portable app users who don't want to spend $100 per month for the privilege. Why is Apple the only company that has figured this out?

I think that the Zune HD is probably the only device that has some of the same capabilities, however it is pretty locked down by Microsoft as far as applications and development goes.

What would be interesting is if Microsoft ever decided to put a Phone in a Zune and make a smart phone out of it. I doubt that will happen, but it might be their only shot at getting back into the mobile market since Windows Mobile is doing so poorly.
 
I see this as a push for a larger goal for Google -- the one thing Google has been weak on is since in most customer interactions everything is free, they have a lot of work to do in building up their payment ecosystem anf getting people used to paying Google for things.

Google checkout has been seen as a failure, but they continue slowly increasing its footprint for their use, which tells us how strategic they see it. How important Itunes has been to Ipod/Iphone success is unquestionable, the payment system was already set up.

In part at least, I have to think that Google moving Android handsets to Gcheckout is motivated by the desire to push checkout. It's really no different than paypal, once you have one its quite easy to use. Often said that a downside of google app store is you have to use google checkout, but that certainly is not a downside to Google, it's vital, and once the nuisance is overcome their ecosystem becomes much stronger. It was no less a nuisance that Itunes did not use Paypal back in the day.

Looking down the road, towards youtube subscriptions they've talked about, a possible ebook store they've talked about, whatever they bolt into the chrome os ecosystem, a strong checkout is vital for them. I think they missed the boat on lala.com, as that would have meshed perfectly with both their cloud strategy a la chrome os, and given them another way to strongly push checkout to casual users. That was a very important purchase by Apple.

IMO, I think google should stay away from making a revenue from regular people like us, and stay with making money of businesses and corporations.

They are dominating an industry (search) which very good margins. That's why the android phone os sounds really good, because it allows phones with not the best hardware to still be able to browse the web (and of course use google google search)

But 95% of googles revenue comes from search, so I can see why they would want to diversify a bit.
 
As you said before, this is another one to add to the iphone killers list, but it would be supposed to be different. I had read that this phone would be under $200 and wouldn't be tie to mobile operators.

Finally, market wins
Where did you hear it was going to be $200? Reality says that the google phone would be priced in the same range as the iPhone. It's unreasonable to expect that an unlocked smartphone would go for the same price as an unlocked flip phone.
Also, it's ridiculous to expect Google to be the saviors of the mobile phone market.
Where's all the $530 is too much for a phone talk. Oh yeah, that's only reserved for expensive Apple products.
:p
Unlocked phones are always expensive. Unlocked smartphones are even more expensive. Anyone who bitches about the unlocked price knows they can get the subsidized price.
The way it looks AT&T is going to be left without any good phones once the iphone rumor comes true with it going to Verizon.
Not this nonsense again. :rolleyes:

1) Clearly you don't get the purpose of buying an unlocked phone. You have the freedom to move from carrier to carrier. In the rest of the world, buying an unlocked phone means LOWER monthly fees.
Most of the rest of the world agreed to the GSM standard, so they could have portability. We only have two carriers in the US that have that portability. On the other hand, stupid Verizon and Sprint with their CDMA act like the US is the only country on this planet. Perhaps it's due to poor math educations, but people love subsidized phones. I bet most of the phones sold here will be with the subsidy.
Of course, I'm hoping that I'm wrong. I'd like to one day see Apple offer their iPhone unlocked in the US. If Google succeeds in selling lots of unlocked phones, Apple may take it as a sign that people want to get away from the contracts. Maybe, just maybe, they'd offer an unlocked GSM phone after the exclusive with AT&T ends. Even though I'd stay with AT&T, it'd be nice to take it with me as a phone when I'm in other countries--as opposed to just using the iPod and wi-fi functions.
 
I've said this a million times and i'll say it again.... No matter how much hype a phone brings, it will never be accepted as a true "iphone killer" or compete in the same class until the same developer base as the iphone supports android.

This is coming from someone who was a previous iphone user converted droid...
 
1. Another non-iPhone killer.

2. Running an OS that's like the iPhone's, but not as good.

3. Yet another Android handset to add to the pile.

Yawnfest.

How about throwing all you've got into ONE killer device and then just running with it? Perhaps when you don't have what it takes the answer is to throw as many devices as you can into the market under the guise of "meeting different needs", etc.

"How about throwing all you've got into ONE killer device and then just running with it?"

You should tell that to Apple. They need to take that advice for the iPhone.
 
I've said this a million times and i'll say it again.... No matter how much hype a phone brings, it will never be accepted as a true "iphone killer" or compete in the same class until the same developer base as the iphone supports android.

This is coming from someone who was a previous iphone user converted droid...

what I've noticed, is that only apple iphone users use the term "iphone killer" about other phones.. then they say, "it's not an iphone killer"

I've yet to see droid or sony, or any other company advertise their product as "iphone killers" and I never even heard of the term until I started to browse this site.

why all the negativity?
 
what I've noticed, is that only apple iphone users use the term "iphone killer" about other phones.. then they say, "it's not an iphone killer"

I've yet to see droid or sony, or any other company advertise their product as "iphone killers" and I never even heard of the term until I started to browse this site.

why all the negativity?

Anyway, everyone knows the iPhone is just an also-ran Blackberry-killer. :rolleyes:
 
The issue I see with the android is having options. Whether you want a flash for the camara, hi res screen, oled screen, bigger screen, etc. With droid you can go to htc for the big hires screen (hd2), Sony-erikson for better camera,etc. With iPhone you get what the jobs-apple-AT&T triumvirate wants you to use. iPhone 3.0 cut and paste, please it should have been named 1.3.
 
what I've noticed, is that only apple iphone users use the term "iphone killer" about other phones.. then they say, "it's not an iphone killer"

I've yet to see droid or sony, or any other company advertise their product as "iphone killers" and I never even heard of the term until I started to browse this site.

why all the negativity?

Trust me, I love my Droid and the open (Concept) platform. However, the software isn't up to speed with current apps available for the iphone.

Like the poster above stated; You haven't seen any Motorola advertising... Droid Does? it irks me to watch those commercials - to know how much potential a device and its platform can have but only to be crippled by its developer base..

And Motorola isn't/wasn't the only one bashing the iPhone - Palm and WebOS immediately come to mind.
 
Trust me, I love my Droid and the open (Concept) platform. However, the software isn't up to speed with current apps available for the iphone.

Like the poster above stated; You haven't seen any Motorola advertising... Droid Does? it irks me to watch those commercials - to know how much potential a device and its platform can have but only to be crippled by its developer base..

And Motorola isn't/wasn't the only one bashing the iPhone - Palm and WebOS immediately come to mind.

hmm.. living in Canada, I'm not exposed to those commercials like you guys, but it makes perfect sense.
 
hmm.. living in Canada, I'm not exposed to those commercials like you guys, but it makes perfect sense.

That'd explain it. Do you know if Rogers finally released an upgrade to Android 1.6 for their HTC devices?
 
what I've noticed, is that only apple iphone users use the term "iphone killer" about other phones.. then they say, "it's not an iphone killer"

I've yet to see droid or sony, or any other company advertise their product as "iphone killers" and I never even heard of the term until I started to browse this site.

why all the negativity?
That term seems to have been hyped by the media. You know how they are. They have to create this horse race--which is not much different from their coverage of the Presidential race.
If you've been looking at the Verizon advertisements, they use terms like "iDon't" while saying the droid does. They're not explicitly saying "iPhone killer", but they're definitely implying it. This is sheer stupidity on Verizon's part, because it undermines their chances of talks with Apple.

Anyway, with regards to the Nexus, I don't know or care if it is an iPhone killer. What I'm more interested in is a smartphone that was developed to be the best it can be. Right now, that phone is my iPhone. Whether the Nexus achieves that remains to be seen.
 
Here's my timeline:
1/5/2010 - ordered Nexus One
1/6/2010 - Received Nexus One
1/9/2010 - Posted iPhone 3GS on Ebay
1/11/2010 - Sold iPhone 3GS on Ebay
1/12/2010 - Shipped iPhone 3GS

I like the iPhone, but I LOVE the N1.
It's everything I kept wishing they would do with the iPhone and never came through with.

You can flame if you want, but it's my opinion.
 
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