Market capital is per share price, essentially.
(Apple's market cap is up $1.4 billion today because its per share price is up $1.57.)
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Market capital is per share price, essentially.
(Apple's market cap is up $1.4 billion today because its per share price is up $1.57.)
The Apple Environment
There will never be a true iPhone killer as Apple makes its own computers, own entertainment devices etc. No one else making smart phones at the moment can offer the integration Apple can.
I love my iPhone because it fits in with my computer environment. I can add a calendar even to it and it appears on my computers via MobileMe. I come home and turn on some music via the Remote App on my iPhone.
The only real downside to the iPhone is AT&T. I don't completely blame AT&T as cell phone networks are not designed to cope with this much data usage and no one could have seen how big the iPhone would be. Verizon would have the same issues (maybe not as big) if we all switched over to them. There are only two answers to this one. A CDMA iPhone to balance the traffic across two carriers and/or 4G.
Good luck with the phone Google as competition is good but I am looking forward to next year when I upgrade my 3G iPhone to what is coming in June/July.
There will never be a true iPhone killer as Apple makes its own computers, own entertainment devices etc. No one else making smart phones at the moment can offer the integration Apple can.
I love my iPhone because it fits in with my computer environment. I can add a calendar even to it and it appears on my computers via MobileMe. I come home and turn on some music via the Remote App on my iPhone.
The only real downside to the iPhone is AT&T. I don't completely blame AT&T as cell phone networks are not designed to cope with this much data usage and no one could have seen how big the iPhone would be. Verizon would have the same issues (maybe not as big) if we all switched over to them. There are only two answers to this one. A CDMA iPhone to balance the traffic across two carriers and/or 4G.
Good luck with the phone Google as competition is good but I am looking forward to next year when I upgrade my 3G iPhone to what is coming in June/July.
It's gestalt that makes the winner. That ideal combination of hardware+software. Apple's found the sweet-spot and will continue to be regarded as the Gold Standard because of it. You can shove a better screen onto an Android device or a bigger camera in the next update, but it won't make any difference.
As for development . . . as long as Apple continues to make iPhones the iPhone-killer comparisons will never stop, and chances are the also-rans will continually fall short unless one of them completely changes the game on the scale that Apple has. In other words, the competition will need to achieve a June 2007, part 2.
That doesn't make per-share price essentially useful or the same as market capital when analyzing a company's performance.
http://stocks.about.com/od/evaluatingstocks/a/stocksmarketcap.htm
Market cap is dependent on share price. End of story.
In any case, going back to my original post, I was merely pointing out your comment made no sense as you just parroted the line you were quoting:
Which you replied to with:
Which is basically like someone replying to:
"It sure is sunny today."
With:
"More importantly, it's sunny today."
The 3GS should've had the Droid's resolution. 480x320 in 2009 was a mistake. Live and learn. That rumor about Apple asking devs to make resolution independant applications for a demo ? It's not about any kind of stupid tablet. It's about the next iPhone with a 858x480 screen.
That said, it's interesting to see *LTD* claim the iPhone is the best thing, when all it is is a Blackberry Killer. And they are failing at that too, with Blackberry showing more growth and more market share in Q3 09 than Apple did.
I guess anything that's a X Killer just fails. Maybe Apple should follow Blackberry's innovation and diversification model, they would maybe have as much success then.
I guess we will just agree to disagree then. You think it will take one specific device by one company to change the game and since no one is capable of that the game will never change. I think by using a multiple carrier and handset maker strategy Android can and will effectively compete with the iPhone. The Open Handset Alliance is growing everyday. It may take some time, but you have different choices in handsets and carriers versus one choice and one carrier (in the US) and that will cause rapid growth in development.
This is just my opinion so we will see what happens over the course of the next year or two. Apple feels consumers like to be locked down to one choice and it has worked for them in many cases, but like any product many consumers want choice and Android provides that for them.
Oh puh-lease!
Anyone who truly doesn't want any company telling them what to do wouldn't own a cell phone to begin with (at least, in the US.) The entire cell phone market is awash in consumer constraints and binding agreements and contracts and ridiculous fees and blah blah blah. Anyone thinking Google, a company who makes most of its revenue on advertising (an industry not exactly known for its respect for customers) is somehow going to free us all from this convoluted nonsense is delusional.
Fair enough. Two different approaches. At least we understand each other's positions. Agree to to disagree it is, then.
Black and white, black and white. I like your reasoning, or maybe not.
Again, I'm not denying that market cap is dependent on per-share price, it obviously is. What I'm saying is that per-share price on it's own it's not a good indicator of performance.
Am I attacking Apple in any way that is triggering this kind of response from you?
Oh puh-lease!
Anyone who truly doesn't want any company telling them what to do wouldn't own a cell phone to begin with (at least, in the US.) The entire cell phone market is awash in consumer constraints and binding agreements and contracts and ridiculous fees and blah blah blah. Anyone thinking Google, a company who makes most of its revenue on advertising (an industry not exactly known for its respect for customers) is somehow going to free us all from this convoluted nonsense is delusional.
He was talking about handset features (higher res screens, OLED, better cameras, physical keyboards, different UIs).
Not everyone likes the one size fits all iPhone. That was his point about choice not being bad, and Android handsets all sharing a common OS, API and Apps while offering diverse hardware is not a bad thing.
Please don't take it personally. I was more amused by your comment than anything, and didn't expect it to lead to a multi-post off topic debate between us.
I should have put some smiley faces or something in there to express my laid back tone.
At the very least, I think we can all agree Apple has a large market cap!
Hey but since the Nexus One will be on T-Mobile, the Droid's expiration date will be slightly pushed methink.
The Droid sold more in the same period simply because it is on Verizon, nothing more.
So, it's an HTC GSM phone that can't run on the biggest GSM network in the United States, which doesn't use the nice HTC UI enhancements, instead relying on the 'Google Experience' which feels 5 years old. With updated hardware.
An awful lot of hype for what ended up being just T-Mobile's new Android handset to staunch the gadget-centric Android fan subscribers from running to Verizon for the Droid.
As for iPhone killers, of that breed this is not, but Microsoft has for the first time in years a truly compelling product with the Zune HD. It's got a good user interface and a wonderful screen with similarly good hardware. Having seen a friend's Zune HD, I'd consider buying one if it wasn't for some critical iPhone apps I have to use. Maybe for the OLED. Put a phone in that and stop the committee at Microsoft turning it to garbage, and it'd be actual competition to the iPhone on all fronts. That's a big if, though.
An awful lot of hype for what ended up being just T-Mobile's new Android handset to staunch the gadget-centric Android fan subscribers from running to Verizon for the Droid.
As for iPhone killers, of that breed this is not, but Microsoft has for the first time in years a truly compelling product with the Zune HD. It's got a good user interface and a wonderful screen with similarly good hardware. Having seen a friend's Zune HD, I'd consider buying one if it wasn't for some critical iPhone apps I have to use. Maybe for the OLED. Put a phone in that and stop the committee at Microsoft turning it to garbage, and it'd be actual competition to the iPhone on all fronts. That's a big if, though.
The only problem with the Zune HD is that Microsoft is developing it. Trust them to a) do nothing with it or b) do something half-assed with it that has nothing to do with any discernbile "mobile strategy." The device holds promise, but in its current form it's basically an answer to a question no one asked.
Google may be a huge company, but they are making TONS of mistakes in their Android strategy. The really sad thing is that these are the same mistakes that Microsoft has made with Windows Mobile. If you do not learn from the past you are condemned to repeat it! Google is like the new Microsoft, but free. Haha, if that makes sense. I guess it is fine by me so long as they keep screwing Microsoft over!
I really believe the most honest thing they can do is print a line-item showing the remaining subsidy on each bill. I'm looking at starting up a fiber-to-the-home cooperative, and people will be able to finance the costs of the build to their home. If they do, it will show up on each statement until it's paid off. If you pay for the build up-front, you've got no liability. Honest, Fair and solves the problem of an arbitrary amount of subsidy to pay-up if you terminate early.
That's because the term is used by retarded people. There will never be a phone that comes out that makes the iPhone completely obsolete forcing everyone who owns one to throw it off a moving train. There will always be people who prefer the iPhone just like there will always be people who prefer the Pre and Droid and the Eris and the Passion and Nexus One and on and on and on.
The Nexus One seems like the most iPhone-esque phone that's come out. It has a few points better (better and bigger screen, better camera), but it's lagely the same (virtual keyboard, similar dimensions, similar processor and memory). It will attract a large audience, but will ultimately (IMO) fall short of its hype because of the carrier it is on.
The bottom line is this. One day Android devices will likely outnumber iPhones, but no single Android device will outnumber the iPhone. Buy what you want to buy and stop feeling it necessary to comment with the phrase "yawn" as though the rest of the world actually cares.
IMO the HTC Passion on Verizon with some important improvements to Android is an iPhone killer to me personally as I will leave my current iPhone for one.
If they were to combine Zune HD with WinMo7 (preferably built on Win 7) and Xbox Live (and the XBLA) that could be pretty compelling.
Yes. I hope MS gets that memo. The advantage MS might have at the moment is that a 2011 release date gives them the chacne to make a fresh start. They'll be the "new" player in 2011. But given MS' track record and the possiblity that the world might not care anymore, my hopes aren't too high.
Because CDMA is dead tech. Wait until they finally join the rest of the world as we move to LTE.
They have a large market share of portable music players. That's it. In the overall cell phone and computer markets, they're small. In terms of the music industry AS A WHOLE (not just legal DLs), they're small. Y'all tend to get tunnel vision here.
Given my experience with the Zune HD and XBLA, if Microsoft were to make a Zune phone and build a BBM-Like mobile messaging system around Live/Bing, they'd have a hell of a platform with a slick, modern, usable UI. In theory.
Given my experience with Windows NT, WinCE, Vista, and etc, I can't help but think that they'd cock it up somehow and make it a joke. Depressing.
Dear Microsoft: buy Palm and make WebOS ala Zune HD. License it to people who make nice phones (HTC). No hardware keyboards, ever. Let the new Zune team do anything they want. Give Steve Ballmer a few dozen kilos of coke and ship him off to Barbados with no access to a phone or computer until the devices ship and the 2.0 version of the OS is in beta. Then I'll probably buy your product!