Nope... they just don't drive my life. They'll all be along in due time, and then some.
Just had to laugh a 'moving wallpaper' as even being mentioned as an essential feature.
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Google Nexus One Phone Not an iPhone Killer?
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Nope... they just don't drive my life. They'll all be along in due time, and then some.
Just had to laugh a 'moving wallpaper' as even being mentioned as an essential feature.
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LagunaSol had some crazy notion that the carriers are in control of Android handsets. I was merely pointing out that there are talented people who are able to take the Android source code and do something with it.
Just this evening, lox at HTC pedia forums released a stable Android 2.0 rom compiled from the source of Android 2.0.
That to me suggests the networks are not in control og my Android based handset as much as he likes to portray and that Android is truely open.
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LagunaSol had some crazy notion that the carriers are in control of Android handsets. I was merely pointing out that there are talented people who are able to take the Android source code and do something with it.
Just this evening, lox at HTC pedia forums released a stable Android 2.0 rom compiled from the source of Android 2.0.
That to me suggests the networks are not in control og my Android based handset as much as he likes to portray and that Android is truely open.
How I wished they'd taken a different approach on the industrial design of this puppy. While the facia of the iPhone is almost timeless as far as timeless exists in electronics, this Google/HTC device looks like a relic from a 1990's industrial design degree show. Nexus Two, please.
I can't wait til it comes time to upgrade my G1. I'll miss my themes and other customizeables.
I hope they can backport newer versions of Android to my G1. That'd be even better
I hope they can backport newer versions of Android to my G1. That'd be even better
Droid Trumps iPhone for TIME's Gadget of the Year (2009)
R.I.P iPhone
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1944278_1944280,00.html
R.I.P iPhone
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1945379_1944278_1944280,00.html
Why the surprise? Microsoft has always been impotent when they haven't had a competitor's product to emulate.
Remember, they were late on that whole "Internet thing" too. Thank heavens for the great equalizer of monopoly power.
Yes, well now it seems we have Apple AND Google to help equalize!
It IS working, but WOW look at how much time this took, is taking, and will take. Thanks for slowing down technological progress for the better part of the last 3 decades Microsoft! I have a question. If I were to buy the phone unlocked for $530, could I just buy any T-Mobile SIM I wanted and use that? Like a prepaid? I don't really need the data, I'm in Wifi all most all the time at school. I'd just want to be able to make calls when outside of Wifi. I don't talk on my phone that much, just text. So if I could just get lots of texts and a few hundred minutes, that'd last me for awhile. Is that possible?
Sorry to burst your LOL-MS-SUCKS bubble, but Office is still the best Office suite out there, servers with Windows Server OS are still being sold, there are hardly any good alternatives to Exchange or Sharepoint.....
And no, OpenOffice or Lotus Notes is nowhere near as useful as MS Office is.
Windows Vista was a media failure, if you happened to use >SP1 you would have noticed how many of the issues were solved already. Windows 7 is just Vista but less resource intensive, faster and a bit easier to use. The same paradigm is still there.
I already know the kind of answers I'll get from the usual guys... so carry away.
If a back-asswards copy of OS X and Office (LOL) is all that MS has to go on in terms of game-changing products in the consumer market, then the individual you were replying to was dead-on in his comments.
Office. Look! A new ribbon interface! LOL.
Ballmer should be canned. Yesterday.
Interesting. So Android 2.0 is officially available for the G1 on T-Mobile? Why, as far as I know, no it's not.
Can you hack your G1 to run Android 2.0? Of course. But then you can hack (Jailbreak) your iPhone to do just about anything you want it to.
So if you're going to talk "open" - compare apples to apples - a hacked Android device and a hacked iPhone, which are equally open.
The carriers have more control over your Android device than you want to admit.
Why? Ballmer is the best thing that ever happened to Apple. Plus he's comedy gold!
I vote for BALLMER CEO 4EVA!
Citation please. "Best" is entirely subjective unless MS Office has won some kind of award and I do't remembering hearing about them winning some award.
Since "best" is inherently subjective, a citation is pointless - there is no authoritative source.
He's right, though. Keynote may, for example, be better than Powerpoint, but overall Office is, for most people who rely on Office suites for daily work, the superior office suite. In another few years iWork and/or open office may catch up.
Unless by "best" you mean an Office suite that runs on every manufacturer's box, which in turn runs the OS you've whored out to all of them. It's only impressive if you think universal licensing is impressive.
Blah blah blah.
"X is/is-not an iPhone killer"
Who gives a crap? (I mean, among people with functional brain cells)
Does X do what you want/need? Does it do it the way you want/need? On the hardware you want/need? If yes, then who gives a crap about iPhones?
The "iPhone killer" nonsense (and similar things in the past like "NT will be a Unix killer", etc.) are the exact same thing as the 1950's "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality. It's the modern "placebo for the bourgeoisie".
Think about what you actually want and need. Leave the fashion label mentality where it belongs: in the trash can.
"X is/is-not an iPhone killer"
Who gives a crap? (I mean, among people with functional brain cells)
Does X do what you want/need? Does it do it the way you want/need? On the hardware you want/need? If yes, then who gives a crap about iPhones?
The "iPhone killer" nonsense (and similar things in the past like "NT will be a Unix killer", etc.) are the exact same thing as the 1950's "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality. It's the modern "placebo for the bourgeoisie".
Think about what you actually want and need. Leave the fashion label mentality where it belongs: in the trash can.
Ya ok, Microsoft has Office. You are right! And server products. But if all you have is a couple decent legs out of the total 20 (or however many things Microsoft TRIES to do to protect its Windows monopoly), then you are NOT in good shape!
Listen, I am going easy on Microsoft. I am simply pointing out that I believe most of their failures are due to blind, ignorant leadership. Mainly one STEVE BALLMER. I predict he will be gone soon. He should have been a LONG time ago!
Haha. Thanks for the support guys!
1. Copy of OS X? Lol.
2. Office.... yes, Office is still the best suite out there, objectively speaking. You also conveniently didn't mention server products. The ribbon interface sucks? According to your one and only opinion because that is the only one that matters, am I right?
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Hahaha. Your baseless hatred for a company, your blind bias against a brand, is hilarious. It makes your hole "Apple is God, MS is the devil" mantra completely contradictory. You actually think Apple is where it is because of Microsoft? Fundamentally speaking, Apple is hardware company, MS is just software. You do realize that many people run Windows on Apple computers, right?
Listen, I won't turn this thread into a silly MS bashing thread. I'll lead this to you guys since this is all you know how to do. But, you would MS even is the queen were in charge of it. Still, I find it hilarious that you actually think that every single decision is taken by Ballmer. It was mentioned once that MS is like a bunch of smaller companies competing against each other. This is the reason why many things fail and there is so little integration between MS products.
It's impossible to discuss with someone who pretends his opinion is the only thing that matters. nevermind me, keep on the circlejerk.
Why? Ballmer is the best thing that ever happened to Apple. Plus he's comedy gold!
I vote for BALLMER CEO 4EVA!
Here, here!
I second the vote.
Ballmer has single-handedly steered MS toward realizing their true potentials of mediocrity, on several fronts, chasing ideas and innovation, and sparing no expense along the way.
He's the personification of Microsoft, and their never ending pursuit for relevance.
I'm sorry Laguna but your "The software for these devices is still being controlled by the wireless carriers, people. The "open" part of Android seems to be mostly just talk right now." is blatantly untrue.
The very open nature of Android OS makes things like this and this possible.
Even on the default HTC Sense Rom, Orange UK do not control what applications I install on my handset. Orange UK do not control where I source my apps from (be it from Android Market or direct from the app creators website). Lastly, Orange UK do not control what ROM I flash onto my Hero.
What you call fragmentation, I call choice. Choice to source things from where I see fit (legally).
I also don't understand why you insisted on knocking the apparent lack of openness with Android and some how not have the same negativity towards the iPhone.
Lastly, on jailbreaking, there seems to be an unfounded hostility on these forums when it comes to jailbroken phones as I've seen quite a few people cry foul to people who jailbreak their phones and then assume the user has jailbroken to pirate applications.
The fact that one has to resort to hacks and workarounds, and not simple update procedures suitable for the common consumer like you get through iTunes directly from Apple, casts a dubious light on all the "Android is open!" claims you hear on the radio and TV commercials.
As I implied, a simple hack to my iPhone lets me do just about anything I want with it as well. Doesn't that, for all practical purposes, make my iPhone just as "open" as your Android device, which often requires similar techniques? Just because Apple disapproves of such an approach while Google turns a blind eye doesn't make the process for the end consumer any different.
Who said I don't have the same negativity towards the iPhone? I didn't say that. What I'm pointing out is that the Android platform's marketing message is largely based on "openness," when the actual, often difficult path to that openness is not disclosed in the marketing materials.
How many people (read: regular consumers) are still griping about the lack of Android 2.0 (without resorting to hacks) on their G1 handsets?
This may be true, I don't know. I haven't jailbroken my own iPhone (yet) because I don't want any potential headaches (such as the headaches one may get by hacking his/her Android device - it's true!).
I'm all for Android. As I've said before, anyone who does damage to the Microsoft hegemony is a friend of mine. But the claims that Android is a platform you can do anything you want on with no limitations is deceptive to the consumer masses who want nothing to do with flashing their ROMs based on some download they found on some website. Google is trying to straddle the line between consumer electronics and enthusiast electronics, and ultimately I think such an approach will remain a second place contender to the iPhone's more user-centric approach (yes, with limitations).
Apple's marketing focuses on "Look how easy this is!" whereas Google's says "You can hack this thing to your heart's content! (But you're on your own to do it.)"
My money says Apple's approach wins in the end.
Of course Microsoft will eventually release WinMo 7 (someday) which will look remarkably like an iPhone/Android hybrid, and they'll try to pitch both aspects ("It's easy and you can do anything you want with it!"), because desperate times call for desperate measures (they'll probably even give the OS away for free at first, to win back your love). But by then no one will care about Microsoft in your pocket.
All great points Laguna and I do agree with you for all of them.
For the majority of people, the iPhone and its simplicity is a boon for smartphone users and I have to admit that I've been using smartphones for years (UIQ, Symbian, Windows Mobile, iPhone OS) so I am not a typical user.
Perhaps I see Android through Google Goggles <pun> but after using the iPhone 3g for 12 months it did leave me asking for more from my handset (especially regarding multitasking) so I had no choice but to look else where. After a little stint with Series60 v5 I realised that Symbian wasn't at all suited for the touchscreen era and moved over to Android which hit the sweet spot for me.
Being the way I am I love to tinker with things so having a phone with an open community supporting it sparks major interest with me and as a stock device, Android also sits nicely alongside iPhone OS as an alternative to the regular consumer (all this talk of Android 1.6 vs 2.0 probably wouldn't even bother someone who just wants a phone that works and some are probably even completely oblivious that their OS can be upgraded).
Regarding the lack of negativity towards the iPhone OS, it just seems a little off that you aren't so publicly against the limitations of it but are quick to jump on it with Android. I hope it wasn't taken personally.
Surprisingly (to me as well), the only time I've really been bothered by the lack of multitasking on my iPhone is when I'm listening to music on Slacker Radio and would like to do something else on my phone at the same time. Annoying. Not annoying enough (yet) for me to jailbreak though.
Hopefully Apple will remove this silly barrier to multitasking. Let the consumer pay the price in battery life if he/she so chooses.
Linux has offered the same for many years but has yet to reach a state where it is truly geared to the rank consumer and thus is an unknown to the computer-using populace in general. While I don't think Android is doomed to exactly the same fate, it will certainly struggle against the consumer-oriented, hardware/software integrated approach of Apple. In my opinion.
The limitations of the iPhone for me, thus far, have been minor annoyances. It is, despite its weaknesses, the single greatest gadget I have ever owned. I would be far more annoyed with the general UI inconsistencies of Android and the obvious lack of spit and polish.
As I said, I'm glad to see Android in the mix as I believe it's a real Microsoft killer in the mobile space - and rooting Microsoft out of any market is always a good thing.
Not at all.
Likewise, I hope?