Google Officially Unveils Next-Generation 'Android Oreo'

[LordVic]

that is pretty much exactly what they would do if the Google Play store became unavailable to them AND they didn't want to buy a new phone,

Not what happens with Android. Different business model though. Google play services are detached from what version of Android you're running. There are some apps with OS requirements, but as long as Google's App suit is kept up to date, even old Android's who are on 4.0 or 5.0 will be able to run on the device.

it's just a different way of updating. Google I think recognized how **** the carriers and vendors are at keeping the OS itself up to date, so Google detached most of their services from Android directly.

 

[Rob_2811]

Typical response from a Android users coming to an Apple site just to insult Apple users...

I've tried, and had to fix, Galaxy S6, S7, S7 Edge, S8, Note 4, to name just a few. Each coming to me with issues ranging from failing Wifi, apps crashing, runaway processes, adware and malware loaded, boot looping... Need I go on? These are FLAGSHIP Android devices, and they work about as reliably as a $400 Windows POS laptop.

Whether you think I'm full of whatever, I don't give a rats a__ about. I deal with these devices ALL the time, and have even had users come up to me and tell me it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but when I take in my hand and get it to crash in under 5 minutes, they say oh that's normal, just reboot, and I look at them and tell them it's garbage if it does that, and they call me a "fanboy", go figure...

I had two versions on the iPhone 6s (before Apple admitted the battery problems), 2 of the 7 (one of the most unstable smartphones I've ever used.), had to have a 2016 13 inch MacBook Pro trackpad and logic board replaced (it was 2 months old) and currently have a 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro which is paying a visit to the Apple Store on Thursday with keyboard issues.

If you think Apple hardware is particularly reliable these days you are kidding yourself. They get away with it because the servicing is more efficient than most.

 

[Pman17]

Do they have to pay nabisco to use ‘oreo’?

Yea and Motorolla had to license Droid from LucasFilm

 

[ackmondual]

I'm in the minority where I don't go crazy over new updates to iOS or anything for that matter....
iPad Air is still on ios8. I didn't want to lose compatibility with some games
Ipod Touch 5 is still on ios7. Similar deal here as well. Plus, many of the new features were for iPhones anyways

Dell PC is still on Windows 7. Never saw any reason to go to Windows 10 until I switched PCs
HP Chromebook I do update frequently, but whether I like it or not, it eventually forces the update

LG G4 is on marshmallow/6.x. I don't care whatever iOS has b/c my phone already does everything I'd like it to. Also why I'm not as interested in Android 7 nor 8. I haven't gotten an OS update since going from 5.1 to 6. However, because Android is different, I still get updates to 1st party apps and security updates outside of OS updates.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Probably the case, but then you wouldn't know that because it would still look like iOS 6

You are probably saying Big Ben, the Golden Gate Bridge should look different too just because. When it comes to land marks, you don't need to change it just because. Yes, a paint job and a little in vogue refresh is warranted some times. But it doesn't have to be radically different with every new version as Android. Look at the Mac desktop, bring a user from 1984 and they pretty much could adjust to the macOS desktop in 2017. The same goes for a Windows 95 user. The key landmarks are there: Start menu, Taskbar, Global menu bar, local disks on the desktop.

 

[MagMan1979]

I had two versions on the iPhone 6s (before Apple admitted the battery problems), 2 of the 7 (one of the most unstable smartphones I've ever used.), had to have a 2016 13 inch MacBook Pro trackpad and logic board replaced (it was 2 months old) and currently have a 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro which is paying a visit to the Apple Store on Thursday with keyboard issues.

If you think Apple hardware is particularly reliable these days you are kidding yourself. They get away with it because the servicing is more efficient than most.

All I'm going to say to that, is you're the exception, and I'm sorry that you've had such experiences... I have the 6S+, and a friend of mine the 7, both of which for us have been the most stable iPhone's we've ever had, I've two MacBook Pro's, first one had it for 6 years, never saw a Genius Bar, and now on my second 2015, completely flawless, so the exact opposite of your experiences...

 

[kaielement]

I'm not sure how competition works in the smartphone world anymore...With people invested deeply into ecosystems, it makes it a major task to switch. For example, I've purchased $300+ on movies & apps (and in app purchases) over the past 6 years. I got lightning cables galore plus I have an AppleTV. So, even if Android was slightly better than iOS, I wouldn't care enough to switch.

It's like with Apple abandoning the headphone-jack*; I want to vote with my dollars and buy a different flagship phone, but I can't because the change-over is too much of a headache. It's just easier to stay.

*I'm all for abandoning old tech, but it's asinine to say wireless headphones are the future and then ship your latest iPhone with wired headphones.

The head phone jack is becoming less and less of an issue now that htc Motorola and the new rumor has it the new pixel won't have a head phone jack. Won't be long until Samsung ditches it too. Wired headphones RIP.

 

[Rob_2811]

All I'm going to say to that, is you're the exception, and I'm sorry that you've had such experiences... I have the 6S+, and a friend of mine the 7, both of which for us have been the most stable iPhone's we've ever had, I've two MacBook Pro's, first one had it for 6 years, never saw a Genius Bar, and now on my second 2015, completely flawless, so the exact opposite of your experiences...

I'm honestly not an exception, you don't start programs like this for isolated issues...


https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

 

[trellus]

iPhone's? We get updates for YEARS. Yeah, still a nightmare on Android!

I agree with your main point, that Android updates are a nightmare, but I'd take issue, based on my personal experience, that updates for YEARS on iPhones are actually useful.

I still regret updating my iPhone 6s Plus to iOS 10, because it ran better on iOS 9. Since I upgraded, performance on my phone has become noticeably poorer, sadly. And frankly, I don't really even remember what new features came with iOS 10 and I could leave without them given the performance cost.

My new policy in the future will be to only run the version of iOS an iPhone came out with in the first place...

...which sort of makes the point about Android phones not getting updates a lot less of a deciding factor for me in deciding which platform to have for my phone. (I'm not likely to switch to Android for many other reasons, incidentally.)

 

[RickInHouston]

Nice to see those numb nuts over at Google once again ripping off functions we on the iOS side of the pond have been enjoying for years, and with little delay in receiving, unlike many sad souls on the Android pond whom almost no one ever sees any updates for their devices...

Stay classy Google, and keep those photocopiers a rollin'!
[doublepost=1503344814][/doublepost]

And how long do you folks receive updates for? That's right, no more than 18 months from first release of the device, so those who bought a Nexus or Pixel mid way thru it's production run won't even get a year worth of updates!

iPhone's? We get updates for YEARS. Yeah, still a nightmare on Android!

And how well does that apple phone run after a second or third update? Yeah, that's what I thought...

 

[dilbert99]

They sure didn't for the iPhone 4 once it stopped getting full iOS updates. The phone was left with a nasty hole in Safari and the fix was contained in the iOS version it didn't get. That was extra nasty due to the fact that you can't change the default browser.

One of the drawback of the walled garden, you have to take what Apple giveth.

 

[Jynto]

Interesting contrast... as a current iPhone 4 user, I still access the App Store after 6 years with a device that is still running iOS7. There are not as many apps for me to download and run these days, but it still works perfectly well for my purposes.

If Apple shut down the App Store after a few versions of iOS updates, I would jailbreak and side-load apps, if needed. I suspect, for Android users, that is pretty much exactly what they would do if the Google Play store became unavailable to them AND they didn't want to buy a new phone, with the exception that they wouldn't have to jail-break/root their devices to get an alternate store for apps.

I know I'm an extreme outlier for iPhone users (probably), but it shows how challenging Google's situation is with manufacturers who may not support updates to devices for longer than it takes to sell a few rounds of production on those devices.

Interesting. As someone who's been using iOS 6 until just a few weeks ago, this has not been my experience. Apps on my phone that I previously used (Youtube, WhatsApp, Skype, Facebook Messenger, BBC iPlayer, to name a few) became completely useless when their developers cut support for the old versions. Sometimes they'll tell the users when they're about to do it, but otherwise you'll just find out one day that your favourite app can't connect to the internet. It's a very frustrating process.

It would have been another matter with Android Jellybean, which came out around the same time as iOS 6. Since people have been slower to upgrade away from it, app developers are only now dropping compatibility for it on the Play Store, and versions of apps that support those devices will stay functional for a few years longer.

 

[kwikdeth]

My new policy in the future will be to only run the version of iOS an iPhone came out with in the first place...

I do something similar, but, I allow one software update. Say it ships with 9, I'll update to 10, and that's it. Gives them a chance to sufficiently smooth out the bugs but its before they purposefully slow down the device with a bloated software update to trick you into thinking you need the newest device add new features.

 

[ackmondual]

I do something similar, but, I allow one software update. Say it ships with 9, I'll update to 10, and that's it. Gives them a chance to sufficiently smooth out the bugs but its before they purposefully slow down the device with a bloated software update to trick you into thinking you need the newest device add new features.

They do advertise "much faster to 3x as fast as its predecessor" for a reason

 

[Alan Wynn]

Are you implying old deadbeat iPhones run the newest iOS?

The iPhone 5s from 2013 will run iOS 11.

 

[nviz22]

The iPhone 5s from 2013 will run iOS 11.

Running and running well are two different things. I wouldn't use a 5S in 2017 because it's too slow and redundant.

 

[Alan Wynn]

Running and running well are two different things. I wouldn't use a 5S in 2017 because it's too slow and redundant.

Redundant? I have a 5s as a backup phone and it runs fine. Have several friends who run it as their primary phone and are quite happy.

 

[nviz22]

Redundant? I have a 5s as a backup phone and it runs fine. Have several friends who run it as their primary phone and are quite happy.

Yes, redundant. No Apple Pay, no VoLTE, no Band 12 LTE support, no 4k capable camera, no 2gb RAM for Hey Siri, no 3D Touch, slower Touch ID, older processor, aging battery, etc.

I would avoid using it as a backup phone because Black Friday is around the corner and the SE will probably drop in price even more than it's latest $150 price. Plus, any Moto E4 could do the job better than a 5S can since it has more relevant features without the high sticker price. $40 for an E4? That's my next phone purchase as a backup during Black Friday since it will drop more.

 

[Alan Wynn]

Yes, redundant. No Apple Pay, no VoLTE, no Band 12 LTE support, no 4k capable camera, no 2gb RAM for Hey Siri, no 3D Touch, slower Touch ID, older processor, aging battery, etc.

From the dictionary definition of redundant:

1. characterized by verbosity or unnecessaryrepetition in expressing ideas;
2. being in excess; exceeding what is usual or natural
3. having some unusual or extra part or feature.

Maybe English is not your first language, but your examples are the opposite of the meaning of redundant.

I would avoid using it as a backup phone because Black Friday is around the corner and the SE will probably drop in price even more than it's latest $150 price.

I should spend money to replace a phone that I have around in case of emergency so I can get 4K video recording that I do not use and do Apple Pay that I do on my watch?

Plus, any Moto E4 could do the job better than a 5S can since it has more relevant features without the high sticker price. $40 for an E4? That's my next phone purchase as a backup during Black Friday since it will drop more.

It cannot do the job at all as it does not run iOS a requirement for me. On the other hand, you argue in the same post that I should spend money to replace a device that works perfectly for its purpose, but I should spend less money than you previously suggested for a device that would not work for my needs at all. Odd.

 

[DesterWallaboo]

My wife is using a 5s with iOS 11 and it runs perfectly.
[doublepost=1507132780][/doublepost]Android.... an operating system created by the worlds largest, most prolific, and singularly most successful data mining company on the planet. An operating system placed into a device that contains all of your contacts, loads of your web surfing, purchasing habits, and is equipped with a GPS. And links this altogether by requiring a Gmail account. What could possibly go wrong?