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The WORST feature of Android is that the user has no control over upgrading the OS. It's all dependent on the carrier. No and heck NO.
Second worst. Worst feature is that the user agrees to have each and every bit of information on their Android device become the property of Google, et. al. to sell, slice, dice, and concatenate. Zero privacy.
 
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Google NEEDS to take MANY, MANY steps back, stand at a distance and look at the horrific mess that they have caused. They NEED to drop Java in ALL respects , they NEED to stop this moronic "throw more RAM and CPU at it!" idiocy (do you remember when computers had KILOBYTES of RAM, and you had to craft EVERY SINGLE BYTE with care to fit in some registers? No, you are probably a millennial or "generation X" and you probably think that Javascript and Python in a GUI IDE are "programming" (oh, sorry - I meant "coding" (!CRINGE!) - how VERY misguided you are.)

Meticulous attention to fitting code into a finite space has been replaced with meticulous attention to releasing a product on a set date for the sake of the bottom line, and ANY consideration of optimisation or speed is handled by throwing gobs of CPU and/or RAM at the problem, whitewashing over it, instead of FIXING THE ROOT CAUSE. Rapid development is now dragging a few templates around, pasting in some boilerplate code, compiling it, hoping it (just about) runs (and if bits fall off it, just find some software "glue" and stick them back on so it barely functions)

The so-called "programmers" (sorry again, "coders") nowadays wouldn't know a register if it was ripped off the checkout line at Walmart and smashed over their head... it wouldn't even... REGISTER.

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Cute ad, but at the same time, makes me worry about the illuminati/reptilians with SO many ads in your face. I mean, even OS updates are ads for food, wth...
 
Google creates scenes such as this, and thinks the world is taking them seriously:

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I rest my case (which contains NO male grooming products.)

Android Orifice, named by those truly at home with speaking from one.
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Google can make real progress with Android if it decides to put more resources into its own hardware and prioritizes this hardware for upgrades and new releases of software. Let the other manufacturers uses the open source version of Android. Google could simplify the app development landscape and provide the most attractive base for developers.

If delivered properly -- Android could be a killer mobile operating system. It would be great to have another tablet OS that was worth a *****.

Not so long as GoogaBet are at the helm, no it couldn't, not a single modicum of a chance. EVER.
 
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Nobody cares what phone gets what updates... This has been going on for 10 years. Let it go - it is not relevant for consumers, they do not care.

Indeed. When did a Nokia 3310 owner ever say "Ah YESSSS! My phone now boots 10mS faster, I just got the update" Only the self-satisfied, male grooming product using, Kale shake guzzling schmoobs in "Silicone Valley" give a ****.
 
While you are correct that iOS is not immune from this sort of thing either, Apple has the capacity to close security issues and malicious app releases (on the rare occasion they occur) in a fraction of the time it takes on Android, which in many cases, never occur. There are still hundreds of millions of Android devices out there with massive security holes that can be taken advantage of by a single malformed text message, with no hope of ever receiving an update to correct it. Those situations DO NOT occur on iOS.
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And here you are, on an Apple site, making disparaging comments about it's users, how quaint...
And here you are, on an Apple site, making disparaging comments about an OS you admit to not even using anymore. Get over yourself with your holier than thou attitude.
 
Typical response from a Android users coming to an Apple site just to insult Apple users...

I've tried, and had to fix, Galaxy S6, S7, S7 Edge, S8, Note 4, to name just a few. Each coming to me with issues ranging from failing Wifi, apps crashing, runaway processes, adware and malware loaded, boot looping... Need I go on? These are FLAGSHIP Android devices, and they work about as reliably as a $400 Windows POS laptop.

Whether you think I'm full of whatever, I don't give a rats a__ about. I deal with these devices ALL the time, and have even had users come up to me and tell me it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but when I take in my hand and get it to crash in under 5 minutes, they say oh that's normal, just reboot, and I look at them and tell them it's garbage if it does that, and they call me a "fanboy", go figure...

I can easily make a iPhone 7 and a iPad pro 10.5 crash too.....you are a joke.
 
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Wait... Something doesn't seem right with that logic. Let's say, ball park figure, that you've used and fixed a thousand Android phones ( flagship or not) and based on ur experience Android is crap. Fair enough. Now if I can find a thousand instances of iPhones having issues, could I make the same claim that iOS is also crap?

Actually the logic is sound, you're just trying to encapsulate your response around only personal experiences... If you've read my multiple posts here, you'll see I mention other issues for Android which I equate to why I believe it's a steaming pile of cow dung, not the least of which are:

  • Limited 24 month update cycle to even the pure Android phones like Nexus and Pixel
  • Little to no updates ever making it to OEM Android devices
  • Hundreds, yes, HUNDREDS of massive security holes in the OS left un-patched on hundreds of millions of devices due to the fragmentation of the ecosystem
  • An App Store that frequently allows malicious apps to be downloaded millions of times before a security company finally catches it and lets Google know because they don't even know about it themselves
  • Fragmentation of the ecosystem which prevents more advanced apps from being developed due to the wildly varying nature of hardware these apps would need to be coded for
This list could go on MUCH longer, but I think you catch my drift. It is based on my personal experiences in support of Android devices, AND the above (plus more), that I call out Android for being garbage. The logic is not flawed, and your calling it out because I failed to mention these items directly displays a narrow vision and lack of insight into the platform as a whole

Now, this is NOT to say iOS is "perfect", as torana355 seems to think I believe it is, as I've also experienced my fair share of iOS devices and macOS laptops with issues, but they do NOT suffer from ANY of the fundamental flaws / issues I outlined above, and therefore can be considered a superior platform / product.


Not exactly, read above...

Im sure you will find the same situation with people that fix iPhones aswell and a quick google search will reveal plenty of iPhones issues, does this mean iOS is fundamentally broken too? The amount of people with iPhones that have come to me with issues is crazy but im not claiming iOS has widespread issues do i? Your logic is flawed. Just because you have fixed some Android phones with issues does not mean Android is crap, for every Android phone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 2 iPhones.

Sorry, but I hear that from Android supporters / lovers ALL the time. Referring back to my first response above, there are FUNDAMENTAL, and documented differences in quality, security, updates, and support between the two platforms. Given the security climate of technology in today's day and age, Android equates to trash. And I LOVE how you say "for every Android phone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 2 iPhones", as that's more like "for every iPhone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 3 Android's"...
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And here you are, on an Apple site, making disparaging comments about an OS you admit to not even using anymore. Get over yourself with your holier than thou attitude.

Another typical response from an Android supporter... Holier than thou attitude? Really? How about you read some of the posts I've written in this thread, citing several WIDELY KNOWN issues with the entire Android platform as the basis for my comments, and then make a more rational comment than that regurgitated defensive nonsense.

I can easily make a iPhone 7 and a iPad pro 10.5 crash too.....you are a joke.

Funny, since making one of those devices, one of which I own and haven't been able to make crash by force in heavy day to day use, makes me a joke...

Read my response post above as just a small explanation of why I, and so many people KNOW, that Android is garbage, and then see who's a joke...
 
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Security Updates do not equate to OS updates, love how this gets passed off by the Android camp as "OS updates"...

And on that note, Apple often provides critical "security" updates even after the device is totally dropped from support, Android does not.

Actually, Google has been moving potentially vulnerable stuff from the core OS to Google Play Services which updates through the Play Store and supports a wide range of device versions. It wasn't long ago when the support went all the way back to 2.2, but I'm not quite sure if that one has been dropped since. So if the vulnerability happens to be in components hosted by Google Play Services, you'll get the update despite the device being out of support otherwise. Then again, if the version on the device still has the vulnerable component included in the core OS, you have a problem.
 
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Actually, Google has been moving potentially vulnerable stuff from the core OS to Google Play Services which updates through the Play Store and supports a wide range of device versions. It wasn't long ago when the support went all the way back to 2.2, but I'm not quite sure if that one has been dropped since. So if the vulnerability happens to be in components hosted by Google Play Services, you'll get the update despite the device being out of support otherwise. Then again, if the version on the device still has the vulnerable component included in the core OS, you have a problem.
And the BIG problem here, is that while Google has made those improvements as you've mentioned, MANY of the massive vulnerabilities still remain in the core kernel components of older Android builds, which Security updates cannot mitigate. And oh, let's also not forget that beautiful disaster perpetrated by Broadcom in their Wifi chipsets used by so many hundreds of millions of Android devices, which require firmware updates that probably close to 90-95% of them will NEVER see, and Apple managed to fix on pretty much ALL their affected devices with an iOS update in a day.

This is something Google will NEVER be able to do with Android, by design, which again goes back to the core statement... Android is garbage.
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Google creates scenes such as this, and thinks the world is taking them seriously:

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I rest my case (which contains NO male grooming products.)]

I think I might just have nightmares after seeing this image...
 
And the BIG problem here, is that while Google has made those improvements as you've mentioned, MANY of the massive vulnerabilities still remain in the core kernel components of older Android builds, which Security updates cannot mitigate. And oh, let's also not forget that beautiful disaster perpetrated by Broadcom in their Wifi chipsets used by so many hundreds of millions of Android devices, which require firmware updates that probably close to 90-95% of them will NEVER see, and Apple managed to fix on pretty much ALL their affected devices with an iOS update in a day.

This is something Google will NEVER be able to do with Android, by design, which again goes back to the core statement... Android is garbage.

Vulnerabilities in the old installed base are a problem indeed, there's no denying to that. Fortunately Google is making the right moves to try to rectify the situation in the future, but it'll be quite a while before a majority of actively used Android devices can be patched quickly in case a "holy ****" level vulnerability is discovered. Android is making progress, but in this regard Apple has been there from day one.
 
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Sorry, but I hear that from Android supporters / lovers ALL the time. Referring back to my first response above, there are FUNDAMENTAL, and documented differences in quality, security, updates, and support between the two platforms. Given the security climate of technology in today's day and age, Android equates to trash. And I LOVE how you say "for every Android phone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 2 iPhones", as that's more like "for every iPhone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 3 Android's"...

You are sprouting your OPINION as fact. Backup your claims with evidence or gtfo. Im sorry but for all I know you have not even touched an Android phone. All I will say is both platforms are mature and capable. The days of Android being as bad as you try to make out are well and truly gone. The Samsung S8 is getting regular security patch updates, Android is improving. Im going to leave it at that. I see plenty of people in this thread agree with me. You were never going to win this argument when you made such a silly blanket statement like "Android is garbage". The only thing that is garbage are all of your posts in this thread. Im out.
 
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Actually the logic is sound, you're just trying to encapsulate your response around only personal experiences... If you've read my multiple posts here, you'll see I mention other issues for Android which I equate to why I believe it's a steaming pile of cow dung, not the least of which are:

  • Limited 24 month update cycle to even the pure Android phones like Nexus and Pixel
  • Little to no updates ever making it to OEM Android devices
  • Hundreds, yes, HUNDREDS of massive security holes in the OS left un-patched on hundreds of millions of devices due to the fragmentation of the ecosystem
  • An App Store that frequently allows malicious apps to be downloaded millions of times before a security company finally catches it and lets Google know because they don't even know about it themselves
  • Fragmentation of the ecosystem which prevents more advanced apps from being developed due to the wildly varying nature of hardware these apps would need to be coded for
This list could go on MUCH longer, but I think you catch my drift. It is based on my personal experiences in support of Android devices, AND the above (plus more), that I call out Android for being garbage. The logic is not flawed, and your calling it out because I failed to mention these items directly displays a narrow vision and lack of insight into the platform as a whole

Now, this is NOT to say iOS is "perfect", as torana355 seems to think I believe it is, as I've also experienced my fair share of iOS devices and macOS laptops with issues, but they do NOT suffer from ANY of the fundamental flaws / issues I outlined above, and therefore can be considered a superior platform / product.



Not exactly, read above...



Sorry, but I hear that from Android supporters / lovers ALL the time. Referring back to my first response above, there are FUNDAMENTAL, and documented differences in quality, security, updates, and support between the two platforms. Given the security climate of technology in today's day and age, Android equates to trash. And I LOVE how you say "for every Android phone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 2 iPhones", as that's more like "for every iPhone you have fixed im sure someone has fixed 3 Android's"...
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Another typical response from an Android supporter... Holier than thou attitude? Really? How about you read some of the posts I've written in this thread, citing several WIDELY KNOWN issues with the entire Android platform as the basis for my comments, and then make a more rational comment than that regurgitated defensive nonsense.



Funny, since making one of those devices, one of which I own and haven't been able to make crash by force in heavy day to day use, makes me a joke...

Read my response post above as just a small explanation of why I, and so many people KNOW, that Android is garbage, and then see who's a joke...


Oh Wow, you just wrote a thesis. If you have to defend your precious iOS vs android this much, you definitely have other issues to address.
 
Most likely a licensing agreement similar to the one for KitKat with Nestle.
I hope that it is not as vile (IMHO) as the cookie with all that horrible High Fructose Corn Syrup in it.
That's probably just me though.
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Heh... Just passing time until football starts... Almost there.... =)
The real football season started several weeks ago. ;) ;)
 
How long has Android had an actual file system? Quite awhile. I guess Apple is photocopying Google, amirite?

Seriously, never go full fanboy, NEVER! Both companies introduce various features that end up being successful, and the other company will end up copying it. This is competition, and it's good for consumers as everyone will be able to get useful features even if their platform didn't come up with it first.

VERY well said.

It's also very funny to see so many people suddenly worry about the long term updates, while they change their phone every year or every other year at best.
 
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So much hate towards Android, guys it's just an OS for your smartphone...

I switched from iOS to Android and it was a bit of an adjustment at first but I found that both have their upsides and downsides. Let's be realistic, Apple hasn't been doing so great lately as well concerning giving their users the best experience possible (for example: as in, videos to explain how everything works? Really?)... And for those who say that you have to consent with Google all the time and that they constantly collect your data, what do you think Apple does? Why do you think these ecosystems exist? How do you think these ecosystems can fit your needs so "perfectly"? At least on an Android device you can install a custom ROM and chose not to install gApps if anonymity is that important to you.
 
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I hope that it is not as vile (IMHO) as the cookie with all that horrible High Fructose Corn Syrup in it.
That's probably just me though.
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The real football season started several weeks ago. ;) ;)
Doh! I used to watch soccer exclusively when I was younger. Had many many late nights watching world cup and fifa cup games then went to school the next morning half asleep. It was fun.
 
I would gladly upgrade my Android OS on my Xperia Aqua M4 but I was never given the option...
 
Oh Wow, you just wrote a thesis. If you have to defend your precious iOS vs android this much, you definitely have other issues to address.

Gotta love it... People complain that I should provide something to backup my statements about Android with, and when I do, I suddenly have "other issues to address"... You Android people are an amusing bunch
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You are sprouting your OPINION as fact. Backup your claims with evidence or gtfo. Im sorry but for all I know you have not even touched an Android phone. All I will say is both platforms are mature and capable. The days of Android being as bad as you try to make out are well and truly gone. The Samsung S8 is getting regular security patch updates, Android is improving. Im going to leave it at that. I see plenty of people in this thread agree with me. You were never going to win this argument when you made such a silly blanket statement like "Android is garbage". The only thing that is garbage are all of your posts in this thread. Im out.
I have backed up my "claims", with statements of fact that are readily verifiable, sorry if you're too lazy to type in a few keystrokes to copy and paste my statements into Google to verify them. And a half dozen people up-voting your FUD commentary and two people taking the time to comment in your support does not justify "plenty", you truly have an innate talent for padding the numbers to make yourself look good...

Oh, and BTW, at least I took the time to backup my statements with known facts about the Android platform / ecosystem. All you've been able to do is spout GTFO and "The only thing that is garbage are all of your posts in this thread", real intelligent conversation there buddy, let's do it again sometime...

Oh, and win the argument? You never even made one with a shred of anything to let it stand in any sort of competition, you think so high of yourself you might actually give Mount Everest a run for its money!
 
Most likely a licensing agreement similar to the one for KitKat with Nestle.

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They have absolutely no taste.
This looks like something, designed by a 10 year old in the mid 1990s.

30+ years of Apple and Steve, the Bauhaus Design School, etc. and still, most of software design looks like childish garbage with the wrong usage of colors, huge buttons, etc.

Those Androids with the Oreo cookie (which, by the way, looks like real) and the color of the sky ... it just looks bad.
 
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Not if you have a Nexus or Pixel.

As someone who has the last nexus, 6p; this is false. This update is crap for it. The launcher is limited to Pixel. Which means no bullet notification, no change of icon (stuck to white squares on google icons), no night mode. But we do get picture in picture.

The story is us Nexus 6p users got shafted, Google managed to fragment an already fragmented platform by withholding features.
 
Nice to see those numb nuts over at Google once again ripping off functions we on the iOS side of the pond have been enjoying for years, and with little delay in receiving, unlike many sad souls on the Android pond whom almost no one ever sees any updates for their devices...

Stay classy Google, and keep those photocopiers a rollin'!



To be fair, Apple has copied android over and over and over.

Two? I'd say three, and even then, likely 50% of devices won't get it! Gotta love fragmentation and allowing the OEM's and carriers to control such critical aspects of these devices!

Given how many more android devices there are than iOS, I'd say there are more android devices on nougat than there are on iOS 10. That being said apple's device support is far superior
 
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iPhone's? We get updates for YEARS. Yeah, still a nightmare on Android!
yes we get years, but I am under no illusion that I would want to upgrade the iPhone for years.
My iPhone 6 is now sluggish for some apps. I have a card app that when I am at a till trying to open a points card takes an age.
Even the phone app, I take a picture,there is a delay before taking and eventually the photo displays in the small rectangle.
Would I want to upgrade again? I'm not so sure even if I could.
But Apple forces you to upgrade for example, if you get the device replaced due to battery issues.
All of my iPhones apart from the 3GS have been replaced by Apple during their lifetime.
 
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