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Google Paid Apple $1 Billion in 2014 to be Default iOS Search Engine
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A Mac is irrelevant to how double click or GA works.
Mac, PC , iPhone, android etc, you hit macrumors, they track you.
Do you know Ghostery, ADB and extensions like those ?
That's a contradiction . If Apple cared about privacy so much, they would not sell the default search engine to google. Apple care about profit foremost!
I'm sorry but Apple know exactly what Google is doing the scenes, and your privacy and everyone else's is worth 1 billion..., and in the grand scheme for Apple, that's not very much!!
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Sure, but this is the first time you have raised these!
You don't need a Mac to surf the web anonymously!
Hence what's Mac got to do with it
You have to be realistic.
Apple need a search engine for Safari.
They just gave us options.
Apple is responsible for THEIR behavior, not Google's....
And surely Apple care about profits, since they are a commercial company.
I'm using this kind of extension since they exists, on my Macs.Sure, but this is the first time you have raised these!
You don't need a Mac to surf the web anonymously!
Hence what's Mac got to do with it
On my iDevices I'm using ad blocker.
First time I've raised these ? I spoke about that extensively on other threads. Everything I can do to fight Google behavior, I'm doing....
Apple cares about the user experience first and foremost, and the truth of the matter is that Google is still hands down the best search engine on the planet.
People may not care enough to change the default, but they will notice that their search results are noticeably worse or different in their iPhones compared to their desktops, and this will prompt them to either change the default or even worse, get another phone.
Apple is simply getting paid for something I would have done anyways - use Google's services. For those of you crying out in self-righteous indignation, try switching to DuckDuckGo and see if you can survive for a month. I dare you.
In that sense it almost sounds like it's kind of like Apple doesn't sell you drugs, but takes money from a drug dealer (Google) so that they could send you directly to that drug dealer, while keeping their hands technically clean.
Can Apple as of today get rid of Google entirely for the search engine without affect their customers' satisfaction? I don't think so.In that sense it almost sounds like it's kind of like Apple doesn't sell you drugs, but takes money from a drug dealer (Google) so that they could send you directly to that drug dealer, while keeping their hands technically clean.
They are just dealing with that
I completely get that part of it. I was just making an observation of what it all seems to come off like in that context.
Seriously, and I mean seriously, there are some very smart and educated dudes on this forum./reads Max's quote
Uhhhhh... okaaaay.
/smiles politely
/backs away slowly
/runs
How can some of them defend Google I really can't understand.
Seriously, I can't understand.
Google is literally invading our web experience.
I have nothing to hide, but I don't like the principles of people tracking my data without my permission and without giving me something in return.
A free web experience?
Just let me choose who I wanna pay for my web experience....
[doublepost=1453509575][/doublepost]Btw I just bought my iPhone 6S.
Cheers
Kinda like selling arms to ISIS. The problem is what they do with those weapons, even though you know what they do with them before you sell them.
Bing is the search engine I use. Maybe there was a time when they were not up to par with Google, but for the past year I haven't noticed any amount of difference for me to switch.
I'd use Bing regardless, but Bing they also give you points for using their service, and that's how I pay for my Hulu subscription. Bribery? Not really, if their results sucked I wouldn't use Bing no matter what they offered, but it is a perk.
I'd use Bing regardless, but Bing they also give you points for using their service, and that's how I pay for my Hulu subscription. Bribery? Not really, if their results sucked I wouldn't use Bing no matter what they offered, but it is a perk.
Everyone doesn't see Google in the same light as you. I certainly don't. Just like everyone doesn't whitewash Apple's involvement like you're seemingly doing here:
"Apple sold an option, nothing more.
Apple aren't mining their devices. Apple do care about customer privacy.
They are offering multiple search engines to their customers, and they sold the option to be the default to Google."
That statement is either naive or disingenuous. I'm going with the former since I like to think most people are inherently decent.
Whatever your motivation, the statement is, plainly and simply, wrong.Sold an option? No. The default search engine is the de facto choice for the vast majority of iOS users. Apple knows it, Google knows it, and we all know it. Why'd they do it? I'd say primarily to give users the best experience, and secondarily the profit.
Aren't mining their devices? The privacy policy says differently. http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
Offering multiple options? Pedantically, yes. Realistically no. An offer is something that's presented. Apple doesn't present you with options for search. You have to purposely go get an alternative and we all know most won't do that. That's what makes the default search engine on iOS so valuable. It's a fairly predictable captive audience. On a PC, it's one of the first things people change. Not so on iOS, if ever. It's a relationship that beneficial to Apple and Google.
Neither Google nor Apple are what you think they are. Google isn't the malevolent specter and Apple isn't the benevolent paragon. They're companies. No more, no less.
Realistically not ?Everyone doesn't see Google in the same light as you. I certainly don't. Just like everyone doesn't whitewash Apple's involvement like you're seemingly doing here:
"Apple sold an option, nothing more.
Apple aren't mining their devices. Apple do care about customer privacy.
They are offering multiple search engines to their customers, and they sold the option to be the default to Google."
That statement is either naive or disingenuous. I'm going with the former since I like to think most people are inherently decent.
Sold an option? No. The default search engine is the de facto choice for the vast majority of iOS users. Apple knows it, Google knows it, and we all know it. Why'd they do it? I'd say primarily to give users the best experience, and secondarily the profit.
Aren't mining their devices? The privacy policy says differently. http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
Offering multiple options? Pedantically, yes. Realistically no. An offer is something that's presented. Apple doesn't present you with options for search. You have to purposely go get an alternative and we all know most won't do that. That's what makes the default search engine on iOS so valuable. It's a fairly predictable captive audience. On a PC, it's one of the first things people change. Not so on iOS, if ever. It's a relationship that beneficial to Apple and Google.
Neither Google nor Apple are what you think they are. Google isn't the malevolent specter and Apple isn't the benevolent paragon. They're companies. No more, no less.
Dude it not hidden in any way.
http://www.apple.com/safari/
Sure, they sold the default option, and surely they did it ALSO for money.
That's quite different from support Google behavior on the whole net.
A lot of people here pretend to be the only enlighten user on the planet, thinking about millions of iPhone customers as a herd of sheep.
People are able to change search engine, it's not difficult and it's not an hidden feature.
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They got rid of flash. They also refused to put it on their iDevices, and that did affect customer satisfaction. Apple, like any company will try and make you believe what suits them at the time.
Mate, we are not crying in self righteous indignation, I'm very happy with Google searches, I'm just pointing out that the irony that on one hand privacy is very important to apple, and many members quote it on MR saying how evil Google is , and on the other hand we got sold out for 1billion to Google
And i don't buy the user experience comes first , money comes first, apple had not issues withholding flash and launching apple maps which was Definetly a worse user experiece....it was about $$$$$
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The reality is, our data is worth 1billion to apple, funny that you claim Google sells user data, well, Apple sells access to millions of users for 1 billion
Burying an option in the settings is not a get out clause...
As much of fan I am, I don't read everyone of your posts, so must have missed that one
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That proves nothing. You have demonstrated that on the apple website there is documentation that explains a setting on the iPhone. There is support doco for every setting in iOS.......
The average user does not care, hence its worth 1 billion, if users were using is setting on mass, the price goes down
These sheep can find nice doco on how to setup a vpn....not hidden also...
Max, as you said business is business. the users are worth something .... 1 billion in this case.
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They got rid of Flash, and that move IMPROVED customer satisfaction over the time.
I couldn't be happier about that move.
Our data ?!? Apple isn't selling our data.The reality is, our data is worth 1billion to apple, funny that you claim Google sells user data, well, Apple sells access to millions of users for 1 billion
Burying an option in the settings is not a get out clause...
As much of fan I am, I don't read everyone of your posts, so must have missed that one
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That proves nothing. You have demonstrated that on the apple website there is documentation that explains a setting on the iPhone. There is support doco for every setting in iOS.......
The average user does not care, hence its worth 1 billion, if users were using is setting on mass, the price goes down
These sheep can find nice doco on how to setup a vpn....not hidden also...
Max, as you said business is business. the users are worth something .... 1 billion in this case.
You lost focus on the matter.
Apple is just allowing Google to use their search engine LIMITED WITHIN SAFARI BROWSER, not the system.
It is exactly the he same as opening www.google.com webpage.
Nothing more than that.
That's quite different from Google scanning your email (not possible within iOS ) or your documents (not possible within iOS apps).
And all these arguments about average users are greatly exaggerated: average user in 2016 is much more educated than 10 years ago and know about a search engine and how to change some very basics settings...
Again, while I'm not always happy about Apple behavior (last examples are iMac 21.5" sealed storage, spinner in iMacs and prices outside US), I really can't understand how educated people can defend Google. Seriously.
I never said apple sold our data, I said they sold access to apple users in the form of Google being the default search engine. Apple is not selling our data, you data is safe in the phone, but each time the average user searches on thier apple device, Google is getting this data.
I think you will find that the average user actually wants Google to be the default search engine.
Sadly the stats prove you wrong, every browser has the ability to change the default search engine, and yet Google has a huge domination, which clearly shows users are not aware enough to change it, they don't care to change it, cause they WANT the best search results. Only reason the others have any impact is cause they either came bundled with an OS or affiliate deals have been done with broadband providers etc.
I'd say less than 1.5% in my opinion care enough to jump on say DuckDuckGo .... More users search piratebay I'd say.....
Feel free to find stats that prove users are jumping ship from Google cause they are so much more aware in the last 10 years....
Here is an example of the state of affairs , probably better sources, but this is presented nicely
http://theeword.co.uk/info/search_engine_market/
I was being very generous when I estimated it at 1.5%....... Your arguement that users are more aware and actively selecting an alternative, is not supported by stats , it's what you want to believe.
At times apple and Google are enemies that sleep together .....
I'm not defending Google for what they are and do, I just see the irony of the situation
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And pray tell me where the money was in replacing Google Maps with Maps app?
Apple Maps costs Apple money to run, and isn't a source of revenue unlike Google Maps. Apple did what they had to do because Google was withholding turn-by-turn on iOS, and Google did this because Apple refused to allow them access to latitude data on their platform.
It was a bitter pill to swallow, but Apple bit the bullet nonetheless, and we are better off now for it.
Same for flash. Blocking flash allowed for a thriving app ecosystem, as its performance was just plain horrible on iOS devices.
I am interested to know what your proposed alternative is. If Apple had set the default to Yahoo search or Bing, you would probably be accusing Apple of selling out to these companies as well. DuckDuckGo is crap; you really only use it if you have some pathological distrust of Google and are willing to tolerate a way worse user experience for it.
I'm sorry , your mistaken if you think I'm trying to come up with alternatives. I'm just saying the situation is ironic.
Im very happy with Google being the default search engine, also got Google maps and apple maps on my iPhone , so , sorted in that department, and as for flash, yeah in 2016.... Not an issue, but owning iPhones since 2007, it was an issue in the early years.
And I am saying that I am failing to see the irony or the hypocrisy of the situation.
Apple is committed to protecting your data, in places where they have control. Search is one area that is out of their jurisdiction. Whatever search engine you use, your user data will end up with that company at the end of the day. I suppose you could argue that Apple could take the moral high ground, turn down the money and maybe allow users the option of selecting their Safari search engine when setting up their phone.
Interesting enough, this turned up in my "similar threads" suggestion below.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-replace-google-as-ios-search-engine.1460953/
Steve abhorred Google Maps, and did contemplate replacing Google Search, but ultimately decided against it because be was aware of the backlash that would likely occur. Apple simply made the best out of the situation. They knew people would ultimately prefer Google Search anyways, so why not collect money while at it?