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The feature could be better, should be better. I would be more worried if you could hold it up to someone else’s face and unlock the phone.
 
Just more proof positive they're not even trying at this point. They're using last year's processor, without a third camera (Note 10 and iPhone 11 Pro have this), they didn't even think to add a feature Apple has had for years (closed eyes FaceID protection).
And the greatest selling point is taking pictures of the stars, which to me is next to useless.
 
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The feature could be better, should be better. I would be more worried if you could hold it up to someone else’s face and unlock the phone.

So you would be more worry if the face recognition can’t recognize face? You’re joking, right. 😀 That would be a failure at the most basic level.
 
Ironic that you are depending on leaks from within Google to demonstrate that a security issue is being addressed.



Yeah.....cuz putting glasses on someone while they are asleep would never wake them up, right? "Equal footing". 😆

You don't need to put glasses on someone to fool FaceID, you just have to make the appearance happen. So the usual lab method was to remove the arms from sunglasses and put the frame itself on a stick. Held 1-3 inches from the face caused no disturbance to the victim and still allowed the bypass to be effective.
 
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Just more proof positive they're not even trying at this point. They're using last year's processor, without a third camera (Note 10 and iPhone 11 Pro have this), they didn't even think to add a feature Apple has had for years (closed eyes FaceID protection).
And the greatest selling point is taking pictures of the stars, which to me is next to useless.

Isn’t it using LCD screen as well?
 
What I really like on my Samsung phone is 2-level authentication. It comes with a feature called secure folder that can contain apps and data that is separately encrypted and can have different access security. I use this for my banking apps, and have a password on it instead of the fingerprint/PIN combo for my phone itself.

This is a very neat solution i think 👌. A quick/faster access to use phone and tougher access to the more secure folder/apps, loved it.
 
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I don't know how deep my sleep would need to be to not notice someone opening the door to my bedroom or hear them trying to reach across me to get to it, but I'm a light sleeper. ;)

Ironic that you are depending on leaks from within Google to demonstrate that a security issue is being addressed.



Yeah.....cuz putting glasses on someone while they are asleep would never wake them up, right? "Equal footing". 😆

I don’t know how deep my sleep would need to be that I didn’t notice someone trying to get to finger to unlock a phone with.
 
Most Android phone users really do not care about privacy, they are fine with Google spying on them and sharing their information, so to them, security is just a gimmick anyway.

I have an iPhone. I had Nokia and Samsung before that. I still haven't figured out, how anybody was "spying" on me. What does that even mean? I need real life examples, not vague, generic explanations like in Apple or Goole Pixel keynotes. I still have adverts on iPhone following me (cookies), just like on other phones before. Nobody stole money from my account through banking apps on these three phones, I haven't seen any adverts after talking about "guitars" or "traveling" on any of these phones. I use Google Incognito just as before..it's just becoming to be a trigger word for marketing people, not something with actual meaning.
 
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I'm very surprised that this got past Google's R&D and I'm not being facetious, between this and the Samsung fingerprint fiasco I'm sure there are a lot of happy people at Apple Inc.
 
3 years in, the competition still cant match up to FaceiD.

But shhh... apple "doesnt innovate" because that Samsung phone had "facial recognition" 10 years ago... :p

/s ;)
 
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OK so I've just read another article about this situation and it quotes an inside source from Google that says they chose to omit this feature in the final built because it affected the fluid experience and speed of their facial unlock system. The source also said that unlocking apps and making payments will required the eyes to be opened.

I don't know, maybe Google made a mistake and the criticism will force them to make the setting that requires the eyes to be opened visible once again.
 
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I'm still angry that they have stopped offering unlimited full-res image uploads. High quality res versions / 16MP points aside, that is a major kick in the teeth. So-so tech, the services need to be up there.....

Honestly, this is why I have stuck with my Pixel 2XL. I had been considering upgrading to the Pixel 4XL once the initial bugs and kinks were worked out, but then noticed that they aren't offering unlimited original resolution uploads at all anymore. Of course, I didn't realize until then that there was an expiry date for that on the 2s, unlike the OG, so I may jump ship altogether at the end of next year (if my 2 lasts that long).
 
I’m sorry but that phone doesn’t look nice. It looks like cheap plastic even though it’s not.
 
I can’t tell you how awesome it is not to be the laughingstock around the dinner table anymore when I visit android family taking pictures in dark or low light situations.

It’s nice to be the king of the cameras once again, it’s been a long time coming.
 
Just don't let them put glasses on your face while you're asleep. Then your iPhone and your G4 are on equal footing.

"An attacker attempting to use this method in the real world would need a victim that's sleeping or unconscious, access to that victim's iPhone, and then glasses would need to be placed over the eyes without waking the person up."

Yeah, I know there is an extra step of getting glasses on their face, but you can just close your damn door or put your phone somewhere where it won't be easy to access while you sleep.

Funny how it was "worth noting that this isn't a situation most people are likely to run into, and there's also no secondary research on this alleged method this time" when it was an article about Face ID.
The Pixel literally doesn't involve touching the person at all. You just point it to its face and bam.
Also, it's not like thee glasses are up for sale... so your comparison is invalid.

Apple is undeniably ahead of the competition in terms of security.
 
In all fairness, it isn't really a regression compared to fingerprint scanners which can also be used with a sleeping user.

What I really like on my Samsung phone is 2-level authentication. It comes with a feature called secure folder that can contain apps and data that is separately encrypted and can have different access security. I use this for my banking apps, and have a password on it instead of the fingerprint/PIN combo for my phone itself.

I don't think the pixel has this though. It's part of Samsung Knox.
As someone has mentioned, the chances of waking someone trying to get their finger to unlock a device is substantial higher than pointing a device at their face. And how do you know which finger to use?

I don’t need a separate secure folder since my entire iPhone itself is secure and encrypted.

Samsung Knox has basically been a failure and has had several exploits discovered over the years. It’s also funny they have to develop a separate system for security when the iPhone “just works” without having to add something on top.
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This is a very neat solution i think 👌. A quick/faster access to use phone and tougher access to the more secure folder/apps, loved it.
My iPhone is already lightning fast to unlock/access. Apps (like banking) are also easy to access and still secure.
 
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Again, Google doesn’t know how to design hardware.

Just a few days ago, haters laughed because the Pixel 4 facial unlock was faster than 2 year old FaceID, but it was too early to be so smug.
 
OK so I've just read another article about this situation and it quotes an inside source from Google that says they chose to omit this feature in the final built because it affected the fluid experience and speed of their facial unlock system. The source also said that unlocking apps and making payments will required the eyes to be opened.

I don't know, maybe Google made a mistake and the criticism will force them to make the setting that requires the eyes to be opened visible once again.
So in order for them to “brag” about how fast it is they need to make it less secure. I wonder what other shortcuts they’ve taken. We’ll have to see if Forbes does their 3D printed face test again, this time with the Pixel.

FaceID is fast AND secure.
 
At the end of the day, a PIN is the most secure way to unlock your phone, as long as you don't use 1234 or your birthday. Just about all phones have this ability. But nope, companies like Apple and Samsung won't settle for just a PIN. It's not sexy enough, and not good marketing material. This is not just coming from me - I have a friend who is a coder, and took digital security classes - this is what he was taught.

I believe that my under-display fingerprint scanner in my S10 is actually pretty secure - it requires a rather precise position to work properly, so I don't think someone would be able to easily put my finger on it if, say, I was asleep. And no one could hold the phone up to my face to unlock it, as I don't have facial recognition enabled.
 
So is the issue that the Pixel 4 doesn’t have the option of requiring eyes to be open? Because iPhone can unlock with eyes shut if you have require attention turned off.
 
Honestly, this is why I have stuck with my Pixel 2XL. I had been considering upgrading to the Pixel 4XL once the initial bugs and kinks were worked out, but then noticed that they aren't offering unlimited original resolution uploads at all anymore. Of course, I didn't realize until then that there was an expiry date for that on the 2s, unlike the OG, so I may jump ship altogether at the end of next year (if my 2 lasts that long).

I still have my OG Pixel for that reason. Whether it be a P4 or Pro 11 I stick with as my daily driver, I will have it upload my photos temporarily to a cloud drive of my choice. Meanwhile, I will leave the OG Pixel running at home with the FolderSync app running, it will pull the files from the drive into the Photos folder which Google Photos will then upload as normal.

It's a PITA, but means I keep my storage free upload functionality. If you can live with it, it's worth keeping an eye out for a cheap Pixel on ebay to do the same.
 
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