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So you would be more worry if the face recognition can’t recognize face? You’re joking, right. 😀 That would be a failure at the most basic level.
You misread. I said it would be worse if a face that’s not mine opened the phone.
 
I feel like people really don't understand just how GOOD Face ID is... until you see the competitors...
I feel like that's the same for most Apple hardware innovations.

Obvious example: iPhone autobrightness if far better than the Pixel. The Pixel 3 transition wasn't smooth at all and it was supremely annoying.
 
It's Google's MO... release unpolished, unfinished beta products. Who cares about quality!!?! If users use it, and they have problems, data stolen, etc, "it's not our fault, the user chose to use it" is what Google will say.
And then abandon said features a year or 2 later.
 
My God you people should marry your IPhones the way you love to say, what I have is the best, It's better than yours, nah nah, nah nah, nah. A lot of you sound like children yelling "my toy is better". And this goes for both "sides" as if there should be sides with a piece of tech that 8 year olds have.

Just to add an edit anecdotal though it may be. I know many, many people with IPhones who have had or still have NO security set. Same for Android. I had to convince my friend to just register his fingerprint on his 7.
 
No, someone stole your phone, flashed it by your face, initiated a transfer to a fake bank account they had set up in advance, authorised the transfer with a second face flash, deleted all emails and push notifications confirming the transfer, and now you've lost many thousands of dollars.

Or buy Apple products. And now you've lost many thousands of dollars.

Uh no. You've obviously never used Apple Pay or Google Pay. Somebody pickpockets your phone in a store. They flash it by your face and it unlocks. They then go to a complicit worker and buy easily resellable goods like phones and TVs.

That transaction is equivalent to a PIN-authorized in-person transaction and is cryptographically bound as such via EMV CDCVM. In many countries, like the UK, the onus is then on the cardholder to prove that it wasn't authorized. Otherwise, the bank is legally bound to absorb the loss.

This is true regardless of when the transaction was reported with push notifications or not. Once a bank returns an authorization, the funds are irrevocably guaranteed for the merchant.

Sorry but I couldn't find any information to support your claim.
To me it seems that you just don't understand how the Soli radar works.

Don't change the subject. You claimed that Soli makes unlocking faster by waking the phone without a touch. My claim is that any iPhone from the 6S has functionally equivalent feature via the Wake on Raise feature. I am not making a claim about gimmicks like hands free scrolling.
 
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Poor Google & Samsung. I can't wait to see how good Apple's next chip will be in a couple of years. I'm hoping if the finger print becomes in-display that face id will also stay.
 
At the end of the day, a PIN is the most secure way to unlock your phone, as long as you don't use 1234 or your birthday. Just about all phones have this ability. But nope, companies like Apple and Samsung won't settle for just a PIN. It's not sexy enough, and not good marketing material. This is not just coming from me - I have a friend who is a coder, and took digital security classes - this is what he was taught.

I believe that my under-display fingerprint scanner in my S10 is actually pretty secure - it requires a rather precise position to work properly, so I don't think someone would be able to easily put my finger on it if, say, I was asleep. And no one could hold the phone up to my face to unlock it, as I don't have facial recognition enabled.

The issue is people won’t turn the passcode on so people are less secure.
Your S10 isn’t secure at all currently anyone can get in to it if they put a cheap screen protector on.
 
In all fairness, it isn't really a regression compared to fingerprint scanners which can also be used with a sleeping user.

What I really like on my Samsung phone is 2-level authentication. It comes with a feature called secure folder that can contain apps and data that is separately encrypted and can have different access security. I use this for my banking apps, and have a password on it instead of the fingerprint/PIN combo for my phone itself.

I don't think the pixel has this though. It's part of Samsung Knox.

That kind of sandboxing is built into apps themselves these days.
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Its was quite painful to read the few comments of this thread. Its obvious most users here aren't very well informed.

There's too much drama about this situation when there was already a leaked image that shows an option that says, eyes need to be opened for face authentication to work on the Pixel 4. Most likely Google will introduce the option with the first or second update they push to the Pixel 4.

From the hands on I've seen Google's Face Authentication is very fast(faster than FaceID at first glance) and form a security stand point, it can be used with mobile payments and bank apps so I don't see a problem there.

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Do you realize how fast FaceID is currently? Nobody can "glance" and see that, it's nearly instantaneous.
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My God you people should marry your IPhones the way you love to say, what I have is the best, It's better than yours, nah nah, nah nah, nah. A lot of you sound like children yelling "my toy is better". And this goes for both "sides" as if there should be sides with a piece of tech that 8 year olds have.

Just to add an edit anecdotal though it may be. I know many, many people with IPhones who have had or still have NO security set. Same for Android. I had to convince my friend to just register his fingerprint on his 7.

Virtually nobody here is bragging about having something better. This forum is constantly on the defense from Android users who come here to rag on iPhone - this results in a community that is quick to point out when obvious evidence comes along showing the inferiority of the competing products. Add to this that Apple themselves are scrutinized to no end over their security, formfactor, and bugs while the same is not applied to the competition...or worse, is only applied to one vendor at a time rather than all of them.

Incidentally, what was the point of your comment here? People should "marry their iPhones"? Sounding like children...
 
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Uh no. You've obviously never used Apple Pay or Google Pay. Somebody pickpockets your phone in a store. They flash it by your face and it unlocks. They then go to a complicit worker and buy easily resellable goods like phones and TVs.

That transaction is equivalent to a PIN-authorized in-person transaction and is cryptographically bound as such via EMV CDCVM. In many countries, like the UK, the onus is then on the cardholder to prove that it wasn't authorized. Otherwise, the bank is legally bound to absorb the loss.

This is true regardless of when the transaction was reported with push notifications or not. Once a bank returns an authorization, the funds are irrevocably guaranteed for the merchant.



Don't change the subject. You claimed that Soli makes unlocking faster by waking the phone without a touch. My claim is that any iPhone from the 6S has functionally equivalent feature via the Wake on Raise feature. I am not making a claim about gimmicks like hands free scrolling.

Wow Apple pay doesn't bother to check your ID at the actual transaction time and only needs your phone to be unlocked?

What a complete garbage feature, can't believe people claim Apple cares about security.

Google pay has always needed my fingerprint at the actual transaction time.
 
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Since most people on iPhone disable the attention setting anyway the headline should be Apple admits security flaw by not having Lockdown mode.

Isn’t lockdown mode the equivalent of pressing the power button 5 times in rapid succession? This disables the ability to unlock your phone via Touch ID or Face ID. It’s been there since iOS 11, presumably to prevent this sort of situation where law enforcement can force you to unlock your phone via biometrics.
 
You misread. I said it would be worse if a face that’s not mine opened the phone.

No. That’s exactly what I meant. When someone else can unlock your phone with his face that will be because face recognition fails to recognizes it‘s your face, its most basic task.
 
Isn’t lockdown mode the equivalent of pressing the power button 5 times in rapid succession? This disables the ability to unlock your phone via Touch ID or Face ID. It’s been there since iOS 11, presumably to prevent this sort of situation where law enforcement can force you to unlock your phone via biometrics.

edit: Ah....nevermind. You are correct.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208076

"If you use the Emergency SOS shortcut, you need to enter your passcode to re-enable Touch ID, even if you don't complete a call to emergency services. "
 
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Wow Apple pay doesn't bother to check your ID at the actual transaction time and only needs your phone to be unlocked?

What a complete garbage feature, can't believe people claim Apple cares about security.

Google pay has always needed my fingerprint at the actual transaction time.

Nope. Use some common sense, there's a time window. Otherwise you could never use any device with facial recognition at kiosks, vending machines, transit systems, gas pumps, or ATMs where the reader is mounted vertically or in an otherwise non line-of-sight location.

Thought so. Which is why he never answered the question.

Look at his device list... he doesn't own any Apple mobile devices, which shows.
 
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No. That’s exactly what I meant. When someone else can unlock your phone with his face that will be because face recognition fails to recognizes it‘s your face, its most basic task.
If I could hand you a beer I would share one and move on to the next thing. :)
 
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Wow Apple pay doesn't bother to check your ID at the actual transaction time and only needs your phone to be unlocked?

What a complete garbage feature, can't believe people claim Apple cares about security.

Google pay has always needed my fingerprint at the actual transaction time.
Wow what nonsense. How many stories have there been on the news that someone's phone was stolen unlocked and then the thief went on an Apple Pay buying spree. Even if the phone is unlocked, re-authentication is required prior to using Apple Pay.
 
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