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Gotta admit, it’s pretty good! Apple certainly can’t claim to be the revolutionaries anymore.
 
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There's nothing magical or hoopy about cloud gaming. I'm also not suggesting Apple lets up on their secure App Store. I'm suggesting Apple dislodges their heads from their butts and stops putting arbitrary restrictions on gaming apps ... restrictions that don't even apply to other apps that are already allowed on the App Store. This has nothing to do with Android.
Arbitrary - based on a random choice or personal whim
I don’t work at Apple I don’t know their MO when it comes to making guidelines
It is clear however there is a system with both rhyme and reason for what they do
If any thing this 30% cut complaints seems more on a whim then anything else if epic knew Apple rules were bad for them and they want something like Android why did they put their app in there to begin with?
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You are right there is nothing magical about it, as we are talking about very standard stuff cloud gaming is so easy to make it must be, it does not require or use various unique technologies that you and I don’t even understand...
 
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No. In fact, both consoles even allow 3rd party stores.

Like EA Access, where you pay a subscription fee (directly to EA, not to MS or Sony) and can download and play a whole library of games on either xbox or ps4.

Ea access is billed through both Xbox and PlayStation stores. You also get discounts on purchasing ea games from the console digital stores.
 
I assume this has been posted here already, but I can’t be bothered searching:


Gotta admit, it’s pretty good! Apple certainly can’t claim to be the revolutionaries anymore.
I find it amusing that while Epic is suing both Apple and Google, only Apple got the cool video dissing them while Google got nothing.
 
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30% of revenue without sharing the financial, operational, compliance and other risks & issues, not even business partner gets 30% in any business.

All the risks, hard-work, operational stuff taken care by the developers while Apple collects 30% !

I couldn’t believe that all big corporations,small business, startups have agreed to this terms all these years!

Uber services actually do way more difficult stuff to earn $40 for a ride than just developing apps in App Store to make their earnings!

I feel all developers, small business, big ones must challenge this or drop out of the platform one after the other.
Does Apple not have financial, operational, compliance and other risks & issues themselves? or should they pass it through to the developers?

Is it really not that Apple is now the man and it cool to stick it to them, and as bonus they are underfire
 
I like how you talk about it so casually as if it's even remotely the same as side-loading apps on Android, which it most definitely isn't.



They are. The cloud gaming ban is bad for consumers. Stop defending this nonsense.
I agree with you. A lot of people on here don’t get it why the policies at Apple are terrible. I want apps to have features that are allowed on Android like for example, Kindle is able to have their bookstore in the app on Android but not on iOS. So many other examples of apps that are restricted by Apple’s policies. But whatever, these people will never understand. :rolleyes:
 
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You can also sideload apps on iOS. This whole argument that apple's system is somehow more restrictive is absurd and untrue. Epic games is panicking because Tencent will soon be banned.

Except the iOS sideloading is overly punitive with the 7 day certificates.
 
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I agree with you. A lot of people on here don’t get it why the policies at Apple are terrible. I want apps to have features that are allowed on Android like for example, Kindle is able to have their bookstore in the app on Android but not on iOS. So many other examples of apps that are restricted by Apple’s policies. But whatever, these people will never understand. :rolleyes:
I am trying to though....
I am trying to understand why you want Apple to change when Android already do it

I don’t think you want to understand people like me that don’t want that, that want iOS to be locked down and prefer that Apple decide if they allow or not
“Why do you not just buy android?” Is not just a saying, not Just to spite, it is to understand why you want an Android-like iOS
 
Personally I do think Google are stupid here.

They want to gain users from iOS to Android.
They could have played this well by promoting the fact if you want to play Fortnight then Android is the place to be.

Got some good PR out of this and pushed it to the general public.

But no.... They threw away any chance of being able to do this......
Silly silly management.
 
As a part-time developer, a 30% cut made sense a few years ago when we were saving on packaging, distribution logistics, printing copies, etc.

But nowadays, everything's available as a download. Many modern services empower us to make subscriptions and one-time payments easily, securely and for much less.

Google and Apple and the others have to step up the game. They make so many billions with that cut, it's not like they can't do something.
 
As a part-time developer, a 30% cut made sense a few years ago when we were saving on packaging, distribution logistics, printing copies, etc.

But nowadays, everything's available as a download. Many modern services empower us to make subscriptions and one-time payments easily, securely and for much less.

Google and Apple and the others have to step up the game. They make so many billions with that cut, it's not like they can't do something.
I actually agree the system has to improve but I also
a) don’t trust the government to not screw it somehow
b) believe that many people with a different agenda use the 30% cut to make these companies change to the point they are just not making the products I liked in the first place

And c) don’t get how the changes will be effectively made with pressure instead of
Incentives I mean Apple will definitely have to change if all these companies talked to them as one about it. Making a giant public display is actually more likely to stop them from changing especially considering the investigations
 
I wish the subject was Google remote wipes the game from active devices because Epic compromised device integrity when they violated policy.

To be clear, I have something against Epic who built their empire off of stealing from PUBG.
Both are owned by one company, Tencent. So it does not matter.
 
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So Apple creates a successful marketplace and, because of their success, they should be punished? How do you think all those free iOS updates are paid for? By hardware sales alone? By agreeing to Apple's Appstore terms, the developer is agreeing to release 30% of their sale to Apple in exchange for a stable platform that improves over time. Someone had to build the API that makes putting Fortnite on iOS even possible. Or would you, the customer, rather pay for iOS updates and security patches? We've seen how low-margin Android phones fare--they get no updates after a year or two. In the end, the customers always pay, so disrupting the market just means you will pay in new and unknown ways in the future. There is no free lunch here, and the blockbuster apps do more of the paying that the little guy developer does.
Do you think that since Apple created the App Store means it would be successful. Look at WindowsPhone and it's store. Without 3rd party apps/devs, any platform is nothing.
 
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You can also sideload apps on iOS. This whole argument that apple's system is somehow more restrictive is absurd and untrue. Epic games is panicking because Tencent will soon be banned.
Stop... you're being silly here. It is in NO WAY - AT ALL - as easy to sideload apps on iOS as Android. I mean we aren't even talking the same ballpark here... so the "whole argument that apple's system is somehow more restrictive" is absolutely not absurd... you're comment is.

I use tons of apple products, and I enjoy them. Pretending iOS is even remotely as open a system as android is just delusional though.
 
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I had been speculating as to why EPIC would want to remove the controls that Apple places on what is sold in their App Store. Interestingly, TenCent, the Chinese company, is now an investor. Wikipedia shares the information that EPIC have been accused of being behind hacks of users' Netflix and Spotify accounts, when they have played Houseparty.

Perhaps EPIC has very good reasons to want to remove Apple's control over the App Store.

Interestingly, TenCent also owns 9.1% of Spotiy - another company that wants to bring Apple's App Store rules down. Are we starting to see a pattern here?
 
Do you think that since Apple created the App Store means it would be successful. Look at WindowsPhone and it's store. Without 3rd party apps/devs, any platform is nothing.
MS rebooted their mobile software 3 times, including the API for making apps—jerking around what few developers they could get. The platform itself lagged behind iOS and Android pretty much it’s entire existence. Even their mobile browser wasn’t up to the task like Safari and Chrome. I had and loved Windows Phone (I owned many Lumia devices), but W10M was a total disaster. Not that it mattered, though, as by the time MS released W10M, it was already too late for their mobile efforts. MS proved how not “doing it right” results in total failure. Android succeeded with volume, iOS succeeded with luring in the customers that liked to spend the money. I don’t know if it’s still true, but not long ago it was proven that iOS customers were more likely to pay for an App than an Android customer, and iPad has risen to dominance in the mobile tablet space—that also has to have quite a bit of value if you’re a developer.
 
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Why Apple doesn't introduce tier for their commission? E.g. the higher the revenue is the less % Apple should be taking.

I meant as a bracket thing
E.g.

first 10k at 30%
Next 40k at 20%
Next 50k at 15% and so on
Well, think about the one-man band developers who put in a ton of work to get an app ready, and it doesn't do as well as something from an established producer. It would be almost like disadvantaging startups and smaller outfits, and giving more money to those who already have the most.

Now, think about reversing the tiers. That means that a popular app is penalised for being popular. The better your app does, the less money you earn (which is somewhat countered by larger numbers of downloads).

Surely 30% for all is the fairest way?
 
I dont understand this kind of ppl.....

So Apple start from the ground, from zero and all the money and time they invest in it, if you dont like simply walk away and shut up.... they deserve to make money from it
The only issue is there is no other place to go, you do know ever other company invests time and resources just like Apple, this is the very reason they are in an Anti Trust lawsuit at the moment. 100% unfair tactics and abuse of power.
 
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Personally I do think Google are stupid here.

They want to gain users from iOS to Android.
They could have played this well by promoting the fact if you want to play Fortnight then Android is the place to be.

Got some good PR out of this and pushed it to the general public.

But no.... They threw away any chance of being able to do this......
Silly silly management.

It was a calculated move. Neither Apple or Google are going to sit back and let these companies dictate the rules.

Regardless of the system Apple and Google are on the same page when it comes to this situation.

While I am not taking sides on this issue as I am not a Mobile Gamer at all, to say it's poor management is as far from accurate as possible. Apple and Google will be hand in hand with this, and future attempts to bypass their roles as gatekeepers.
 
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All the risks, hard-work, operational stuff taken care by the developers while Apple collects 30% !

The exact opposite. Apple handle all the CC issues, including chargebacks. They host an online store, make your app available 24/7 to the general public. They provide a backend infrastructure to support leaderboards, trophies and synchronization.

They handle basic marketing and promotions, they also handle subscription management as well.

The developers then in turn get to develop and not worry about all that.
 
Only signed ones I believe. Epic won't be able to sign new versions of the app. I may be wrong, someone please prove it.

And yes, the iron curtain of digital services is definitely falling, for better or worse.

The iron curtain is solid. It’s the hype that’s hiding the hypocrisy of Epic.
 

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