The problem apple own the platform hardware and software while google not. Which in apple defense , they want to create a good eco-system while for me, i just want private distribution for b2b and not for b2c.
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Google Pulls Fortnite From Play Store, But Game Remains Available Through Other Android Sources [Update: Epic Games Sues Google]
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This is a terrible company. When fortnite first launched on android they bypassed the play store completely and told users to side load the app from its own website. They didn’t want to pay google anything. They would rather encourage android users to remove a safety feature from their phone to side load an app and run the risk of piracy than pay google one cent for having it in the play store.
This went on for early a year. Then I guess they wanted more visibility or it wasn’t working out on their own site because they decided to put the app on the play store afterall. Thereby agreeing to the terms. Now for them to breach the rules like this hair shows how greedy they are.They want the perks of using an App Store but don’t want to pay a dime to the vendor.
This went on for early a year. Then I guess they wanted more visibility or it wasn’t working out on their own site because they decided to put the app on the play store afterall. Thereby agreeing to the terms. Now for them to breach the rules like this hair shows how greedy they are.They want the perks of using an App Store but don’t want to pay a dime to the vendor.
No they are absolutely greedy. They just want all the money fly themselves. If you look at the backstory to this this isn’t the first time they have tried to cut google out completely. For nearly a year they wouldn’t even have it on the play store and made users side load it from their website so they could keep all the money.
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Agree. They are a disgusting company.
No. In fact, both consoles even allow 3rd party stores.
Like EA Access, where you pay a subscription fee (directly to EA, not to MS or Sony) and can download and play a whole library of games on either xbox or ps4.
EA Play Membership - Official EA Site
Unlock the world of EA. Experience unlimited access to a collection of top EA titles, trials of select new games, and more with an EA Play membership.www.ea.com
EA Access is a subscription service and is still subject to the 30%
Both Google and Apple should countersue EPIC (who clearly broke Terms of Service legal agreement) and the two companies should perma-ban EPIC from their app stores. Not that it matters much, since the Trump Administration already has plans to ban Tencent, majority owner of EPIC.
If Apple gets sued to pay back all the money it pirated through the AppStore in the last years, this would be a huge paycheck for me. But Apple should get its fair share - but since Apple likes to use FRAND patents also the share Apple keeps from selling an App or using an InApp payment should be fair and reasonable.
Exactly! The same people that were just calling Apple's ban (24 hours ago) of EPIC "evil".... are the same ones now defending Google (Android) and calling the Google ban a "brave move". Such hypocrisy.
Fortnite is a highly addictive game, as many others are, for both kids and adults. What a shame humans spend their time on such stuff when there are are much more edifying things to do. The negative impact of games on global health (including lack of sleep and accidents of all kinds at work and on roads that kill) and productivity is shocking. Amazingly, nobody seems to care!
Why is everyone talking about 30% fee for Google and Apple?
Fortnite has been on the App Store and play store for over a year. Both the companies charge 15% after the first year.
This is just Epic being petty. They wanted to install fortnite as a bloatware on One Plus and LG phones until Google came back and said no.
There is only two reason why Epic is taking this stance.
1. They want to have their own Epic Store on the App Store
2. They want game companies to pay them instead of Apple or Google when they launch their store. They did this crap with Steam
Fortnite has been on the App Store and play store for over a year. Both the companies charge 15% after the first year.
This is just Epic being petty. They wanted to install fortnite as a bloatware on One Plus and LG phones until Google came back and said no.
There is only two reason why Epic is taking this stance.
1. They want to have their own Epic Store on the App Store
2. They want game companies to pay them instead of Apple or Google when they launch their store. They did this crap with Steam
Whilst it's easy to wail on epic for exploiting Fortnite players for their own ends (and carefully cutting prices so they don't look like the bad guys) are people seriously going to defend Apple's app store policies?
The 30% cut takes the Mickey for developers like Zach Gage or the guy who made Stardew Valley who deserve more of their profits.
And the xCloud scenario is just plain daft. It's not like Netflix have to submit every video for Apple's approval.
Epic used Fortnite once to force Microsoft and Sony to allow cross-platform gaming; they may force change again.
The 30% cut takes the Mickey for developers like Zach Gage or the guy who made Stardew Valley who deserve more of their profits.
And the xCloud scenario is just plain daft. It's not like Netflix have to submit every video for Apple's approval.
Epic used Fortnite once to force Microsoft and Sony to allow cross-platform gaming; they may force change again.
I can't understand why people are standing for apple and google.
I know - it's apple who build the devices, platform, marketplace. Also google - it's their platform and marketplace.
While on android you actually can distribute app outside of the play store - on iOS you can not. You must you app store. This is monopoly in my definition.
I know - security etc. But still - if someone of you will have an idea for an app somewhere in the future you will get how much the 30% is. In many countries is waaay more than income tax. It's 1/3 of your income - that's A LOT.
I know - it's apple who build the devices, platform, marketplace. Also google - it's their platform and marketplace.
While on android you actually can distribute app outside of the play store - on iOS you can not. You must you app store. This is monopoly in my definition.
I know - security etc. But still - if someone of you will have an idea for an app somewhere in the future you will get how much the 30% is. In many countries is waaay more than income tax. It's 1/3 of your income - that's A LOT.
Please get the law to sue and arrest the IRS. They are taking (roughly) a 30% cut from my paychecks. For many years!
How great a percentage is required for Apple to break even on running the App store? And who gets to decide how much profit Apple gets to make on top of that? What is reasonable profit considering the future investments Apple has to make (and considering services is the moneymaker of the future?) 15 percent? 10 percent? Eventually, that 10 percent will become 1 percent, and Apple will lose money on operating the App store as people demand a big company like Apple can run it for free.
Also, first they demand that they can put their own payment option next to Apple Payment system. It sound reasonable. It really does. But you know the next move will be that they demand that the Apple Pay option should be removed entirely! And where would we be as consumer when I can't pay through Apple anymore for any in app purchase? All apps in the future will only have their own payment option, for sure. So while payment options is better for companies and consumers, what will suffer in the end is platform experience.
Also, first they demand that they can put their own payment option next to Apple Payment system. It sound reasonable. It really does. But you know the next move will be that they demand that the Apple Pay option should be removed entirely! And where would we be as consumer when I can't pay through Apple anymore for any in app purchase? All apps in the future will only have their own payment option, for sure. So while payment options is better for companies and consumers, what will suffer in the end is platform experience.
Anyone with a (free) iOS developer account can sign apps and side-load them onto their own devices. It's cumbersome but it can be done and there are apps distributed this way (usually they're open source, but they don't have to be).
And what makes you think that? No one need that. I - as a developer - need an option. I want to give my users a choice.
The same is when you are going to shop - you can choice to pay via mastercard, visa or just a coin. It's up to you, right? So why can't user decide?
That depends how you define "running the App Store". Does working on the developer tools count? What about working on hardware necessary to run those dev tools? (the Mac)
Nobody is forcing app developers to put their apps on the store. If they think the prices are too high, they won't do it.
Epic should just take their ball and go home.
Simple answer to all this - don’t make games ‘free-to-play’, then entice users into spending huge sums of money over its lifespan.
The likes of Epic Games know the App Store guidelines, so if they were genuinely looking out for consumers then they wouldn’t even have Fortnite available in the first place.
I don’t recall a big fuss when the App Store was tiny, and was still taking 30% from literally ‘hundreds’, not millions, of downloads. Epic are just throwing their toys out of the pram because they they don’t have a sustainable business model.
Instead, all they care about is getting users - particularly those who are under age - to download software like this at no cost and then continually spend money on intangible ‘features’. They want an extra 30%? Do the right thing and make the software paid-for. Otherwise, there are plenty of other platforms to draw people into.
The likes of Epic Games know the App Store guidelines, so if they were genuinely looking out for consumers then they wouldn’t even have Fortnite available in the first place.
I don’t recall a big fuss when the App Store was tiny, and was still taking 30% from literally ‘hundreds’, not millions, of downloads. Epic are just throwing their toys out of the pram because they they don’t have a sustainable business model.
Instead, all they care about is getting users - particularly those who are under age - to download software like this at no cost and then continually spend money on intangible ‘features’. They want an extra 30%? Do the right thing and make the software paid-for. Otherwise, there are plenty of other platforms to draw people into.
The whole situation is just a demonstration of what kind of business leaders modern education system raises (all who has done BA in Business Administration or MBA will know what I mean).
We see 3 companies who are swimming in cash and yet:
1) each of them presents itself as the one who deeply cares about the customers and being a fair business player, when basically nothing could be further from the truth
2) there is never enough money / wealth
3) there is never enough market share / publicity
4) maximizing profits is always the main goal, despite the type of glitter each step is covered with
I remember Business Ethics class being such a disappointment on one side, and yet it just helped to understand how “all that bs around” happens. It’s simply not about Ethics or being fair / nice or whatever you might associate term “ethics” with. Being a cold blooded selfish “leader” (which I’d rather call “a person in a deep sleep”), who is a master of maneuvering in the “jungle of law” is all Business Ethics is about.
At the end we are dealing with completely crooked economy systems, consumption oriented society which is focused on consumption for the sake of consumption.
This all is just a tip of an iceberg, a part of the same puzzle.
Epic, Apple, Google... There is no difference at the end.
We see 3 companies who are swimming in cash and yet:
1) each of them presents itself as the one who deeply cares about the customers and being a fair business player, when basically nothing could be further from the truth
2) there is never enough money / wealth
3) there is never enough market share / publicity
4) maximizing profits is always the main goal, despite the type of glitter each step is covered with
I remember Business Ethics class being such a disappointment on one side, and yet it just helped to understand how “all that bs around” happens. It’s simply not about Ethics or being fair / nice or whatever you might associate term “ethics” with. Being a cold blooded selfish “leader” (which I’d rather call “a person in a deep sleep”), who is a master of maneuvering in the “jungle of law” is all Business Ethics is about.
At the end we are dealing with completely crooked economy systems, consumption oriented society which is focused on consumption for the sake of consumption.
This all is just a tip of an iceberg, a part of the same puzzle.
Epic, Apple, Google... There is no difference at the end.