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Name 5 things wrong with iOS or the iphone hardware? Or a combination of both?

I invite any apple fan to write something. We will see how many people can be objective.

1) Why can't I quit an app out of an app so data hogs don't chew up my valuable bottom tier data plan? Instead, I have to exit the app, double tap home, hold an app icon, tap a red minus, tap home, tap screen. CRAZY!

2) Volume control in iOS is disturbingly confusing.

3) Home button is really buggy.

4) Camera colors are a little funky

5) Notifications don't count because they are getting a fix.

6) Search never seems to find what I'm looking for. Usually email related.

There are probably more, but not enough to make me want to switch to something else that's for sure.


:apple: fan & "prosumer" since '01

Edit: Oh, yeah, Voice control blows, but not something I really care about all that much.


Well, motorola mobile - is one big ugly beast - all those people and different models of phones - just the effort to streamline everything will be monumental - and here is Googles first mistake - you can not buy something this big and make sense out of it any time soon - they will lose focus, get distracted and this will be a mistake for them - while Apple - with LASER focus - keeps making one simple design - better and better and better ......


Well said.
 
Wow. Google's paying for technology that it needs. First time for everything!
 
Then analysis of this move by Google today is all over the place. There are some very interesting points in all of this:

- The Moto patent portfolio did nothing to deter Apple and Microsoft lawsuits, and versus MSFT, Motorola's defense is not going so well with the ITC. Not sure how Google becoming the defendant changes the game, but Apple and MSFT have thus far avoided suing Google directly.

- Google agreed to pay Moto 2.5B if the Google backs out of the deal, while Moto need only pay Google 375M. Usually these amounts are the same on both ends according to Bloomberg. So Moto could get a higher bid and back out, but I doubt they would get a higher bid.

- Microsoft was supposedly in negotiations with Moto, so Google may have been backed into a corner here, lest MSFT acquire Motorola.

- Much of the Moto patent portfolio it's asserting against Apple and Microsoft is made up of encumbered patents that Moto is required to license at a fair rate because they are crucial to the industry. These are weaker tools at the negotiation table.

- Moto has 7500 pending patent applications which are currently not in play against competitors, and their could be some real gems in there if issued.

I just can't figure out if Google was trumping the competition with a surprise attack today or if they were acting out of desperation. If Google leverages Moto to control both hardware and software then I think there are some real long-term advantages. But if they are acquiring Moto for the reasons they stated, then I question if it's really worth $12.5B to Google. Either way this certainly shows a commitment to Android despite the fact that most of their revenue comes from search advertising. The folks who work in search are probably thinking they could have bigger bonuses if not for the subsidizing of the Android team.
 
That's my thing. If you don't own an Apple product, and you don't like Apple why are you registering on this site just to troll?

It is indeed a very strange and reprehensible thing that they do. Though, a very interesting look into human psychology.
 
It is indeed a very strange and reprehensible thing that they do. Though, a very interesting look into human psychology.

There's nothing too mysterious about it. Somewhere in the back of their minds, they're deeply unhappy about having bought an Android phone so they assuage their disappointment by picking fights in public forums so they can delude themselves that others are just as unhappy and argumentative about their choices as the are. Sort of an externalized, passive-aggressive buyer's remorse, as retarded and pointless as that sounds.
 
Just out of curiosity, I checked out the XDA forums just because I've never been there before. Here's a great comment I saw in the very first thread I read:



Yep, you're right, no immaturity over there at all. :rolleyes:

Looks like I stand corrected!

Excellent.

Tell you what though... so that you don't look hypocritical or as immature as the quote you found... why don't you change your avatar and immature and unnecessarily inflammatory signature?

You don't have to, of course. I'm just sayin'.

We all have our preferences. But don't you think it's silly to bash one OS over another? Especially since a Mac is truly awesome enough to be able to run the three main OSs (with Apple's & S. Jobs' blessing) without a hitch?

I mean, I like to spread the word about Mac's to everyone I know. Especially since they don't have to compromise or give up what they already know. Are you a Window's user? Yeah? Great! A Mac can run that too. So you give up nothing. You only stand to gain. The only valid argument one can bring about a Mac is price and no eSATA or USB 3.0 (yet - but give Thunderbolt time and adapters and hubs with these ports will show up).

Anyway, don't you think it's time to get over the whole Windows versus OS X thing?

It's all about the Mac, baby. :apple:
 
Wouldn't it be badass if Apple and Microsoft teamed up and waged war on the "Google Group" of google, moto, samsung and htc?

It would be like the most badass war ever. It seems like Microsoft and Apple have mutual respect, whereas google is that douchebag kid who thinks he's hot ***** and needs his ass kicked :D
 
Three weeks ago Carl Icahn (MMI's largest stock holder) was trying to get MMI to sell the patents, now instead Google buys MMI for a big premium,

Shakedown artist Ichan is one contributor to the large premium. If it had been small Icahn would have ramble roused some other competitor to come in and drive the bid up. If anything, Motorola will be better just with this guy gone .

The second is that Google really doesn't want to get into a bidding war for MMI. The premium is big enough that even Apple and Microsoft will not come snooping around with just to screw with the bid. If google tried to get MMI "on the cheap" somebody else would jump in and probably try to outbid ( only have to pay extra around $400M break up on Moto's end to start playing the game. )

Third, lots of stocks are beat up pretty bad right now...... for no good reason. Primarily duee to idiocy out of their control.


a company that many in the android community already think Google gave an unfair advantage too with Honeycomb and their Xoom tablet,

Moto was willing to take the risk. It isn't like Xoom got some kind of "first mover" advantage. Or that Honeycomb was "fully baked' when released.


now the favored son is a wholly owned subsidiary, plus it really puts a damper in on the Google TV arena.

Google TV isn't doing so hot. Typically Google first whack that problem that needs some re-eval. It will be a couple more iterations till it is right.
ChromeOS might be a better basis for TVs in "internet" mode.
 
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This is a great move for google and consumers, It's going to be very interesting what google come up with in terms of hardware and software intergration.

Plus this gives them a google hand to play against apple, microsoft etc who clearly thought they had got one over google by buying all those patents
 
Three weeks ago Carl Icahn (MMI's largest stock holder) was trying to get MMI to sell the patents, now instead Google buys MMI for a big premium,

Today, Icahn said that "Google made a good purchase. Every once in a while you see a no brainer.”

a company that many in the android community already think Google gave an unfair advantage to with Honeycomb and their Xoom tablet,

Motorola wasn't the only one with Honeycomb access.

Google allowed at least the major Open Handset Association companies (e.g. HTC, LG, Samsung, MMI) access to Honeycomb, in return for promsing to not change or rely on code sections that were in flux.

Most decided to wait.
 
Just thought I'd fuel the fire:

Opening salvo
Who: Dan Lyons (formerly fake Steve Jobs)

Everyone was baffled when Google made those crazy bids for the Nortel patents last month. Remember? They bid things like the distance from the earth to the sun, the number pi, and some other wacky numbers from mathematics. Which led ultra Apple fanboy MG Siegler to crow that Google had got “pi in the face” and was “living in a dream world” and “look like huge asses in retrospect.” Then MG went on to drool about how Android was doomed, penning a ridiculous piece that compared Apple to James Bond and Google to La Chiffre, the evil villain in “Casino Royale.”

And today it all makes sense. Google just sandbagged its rivals. The whole thing was a rope-a-dope maneuver. Google never cared about the Nortel patents. It just wanted to drive up the price so that AppleSoft (those happy new bedmates) would overpay. Today, with the Motorola deal, Google picks up nearly three times as many patents as AppleSoft got from Novell and Nortel. More important, Google just raised the stakes in a huge way for anyone who wants to stay in the smartphone market.

Better yet, Google got its rivals to spend a few weeks defending the practice of using patents to attack other companies. Apple fanboys bent over backward to say that Apple was doing the honorable thing here by suing everyone in sight. All this slimy patent warfare that is so despicable when others do it becomes magically noble when Apple does it. Teaming up with other companies, including the evil Borg, to gang up on Google is all perfectly legitimate, par for the course, smart business practice, blah blah.

So now Google fires back, makes a huge acquisition, gets into the hardware business, buys up the best IP portfolio in the mobile space — and can position itself as a victim that’s just trying to defend itself against this gang of bullies. The Nortel auction just helps Google get approval for the Motorola purchase. Does anyone really believe this $12.5 billion acquisition just got thrown together in the last few weeks as a response to the AppleSoft patent grabs? Doesn’t it seem likely that Google and Motorola started talking long before the Nortel auction?

As for those crazy bids in the Nortel auction — that was just a way to leave a little “**** you” in the paperwork for Google’s pals in Redmond and Cupertino to look back upon. That move is pure Larry Page. This is a smart, hyper-competitive guy with a mean streak and a nasty sense of humor. Kara Swisher recently compared him to Bill Gates, and now I see why. Page is turning out to be a better CEO, and more fun to cover, than anyone could have imagined.

Response from MC Siegler. Apple fanboy connoisseur

hat’s a nice tale. But it’s also a tall tale. It’s writing something to fit an argument, rather than actually looking into it and writing something based on facts.

The Google Nortel patent maneuver was a rope-a-dope? Really? Because you know who didn’t think it was? Google. How do I know that? Because I talked to several people at the company on it over the past few months. People high up, people low down. People on the record, people off the record.

Google absolutely wanted to win those Nortel patents. This wasn’t like the Verizon spectrum bidding. This time (weird bids or not), Google was in it to win it. And they were devastated when they didn’t. And they were pissed off. And they had every right to be.

As I laid out in one of the posts Lyons points to, Apple and Microsoft teamed up to screw Google. Considering that Apple and Microsoft had started out as separate bidders in the process, Google did not expect this. As Google CLO David Drummond wrote in his blog post on the matter recently: “Microsoft and Apple have always been at each other’s throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what’s going on.”

The fact that Drummond wrote that post at all should tell you all you need to know about Google’s feelings on the matter. Things were bad with regard to the patent situation surrounding Android. And with InterDigital in play, they were about to get worse.

Google had to do something. And buying Motorola was one of about a half-dozen things they could have done. It was the swing-for-the-fences option. But it was also the one they knew at least one rival, Apple, wouldn’t touch.

And the deal has some big potential upsides, such as in the broader consumer electronics space, where Google has been struggling with things like Google TV.

Yes, Google and Motorola have undoubtedly been talking for a while. But high-level talks only began about five weeks ago, Om Malik reports. For those keeping score at home, that’s well after Google’s Nortel loss. So much for the rope-a-dope.

Google and Motorola were likely talking earlier about licensing agreements and/or patent buys on top of an outright acquisition. That was a last resort. But it’s one Google decided they had to pull the trigger on. Why? Because as Malik also reports, Microsoft was considering doing the same thing.

I’m sure Google is just fine with Lyons’ characterization of this being some awesome Muhammad Ali-style strategy to kick ass and take names while fooling everyone. I mean, who wouldn’t be fine with that? But that’s just not how this went down.

Further, Lyons’ statement that Google just “sandbagged” their rivals may be premature. Both Apple and Microsoft already have ongoing patent lawsuits against Motorola itself. These thousands of patents Google just acquired, while important, are not necessarily the full deterrent they need.

As usual, FOSS Patents has a great breakdown of all of this, if you’re really interested.

As for Lyons’ assertion that Google simply maneuvered the Nortel situation in such a way to drive up the price for their competitors — that’s laughable. If he would look over the court documents for how this played out, he’d see that Google itself bid upwards of $4 billion and at a few points, nearly won the auction for several billion dollars.

Both Apple and Microsoft (and Google, for that matter) have billions of dollars that really are burning a hole in their pockets. Eventually, they need to figure out how to spend this money. Does anyone think Apple is sweating dropping $2 billion (their reported share) on valuable patents when they have nearly $80 billion in the bank?

But no one should be surprised at a post like this coming from Lyons. As I said, he’s been getting his ass handed to him time after time again over the past few years as a vocal Apple curmudgeon.

Here’s one favorite opening line from a Newsweek piece he wrote last year on “Antennagate”:

I wonder if panic has started to set in at Apple yet. If not, it should. Because today’s hastily called news conference—ostensibly to discuss problems with iPhone 4 and how Apple intends to fix them—only did further damage to Apple’s reputation.

That was in July 2010. Almost exactly one year later, Apple posted their best earnings ever. iPhone sales — the very same iPhone 4 that Lyons dubbed so problematic — were 20.24 million units in Q3, by far a new record. And this is a device that’s now over a year old. And broken, remember?

As Lyons fiddles, Apple isn’t burning, but it is on fire. Maybe he saw the news that they recently became the most valuable company in the world. That sure sounds like a company with a lot of problems. One in “panic”. One that should be listening to Fake Steve.

This all raises the question: over the past two years, would you have gained more knowledge by reading Lyons, or by having your head up your own ass?

Tough call.
 
Unfortunately, Google's philosophy is *not* about the user experience.

Rubbish. Remember the days before Google? Remember the cluttered search engines like Alta Vista? What did Google do? Present us with a minimalistic, easy to understand search engine. Usability is definitely something Google knows something about. Gmail is another example of how Google implemented a very sleek interface. And, more recently, Google+.
 
Tell you what though... so that you don't look hypocritical or as immature as the quote you found... why don't you change your avatar and immature and unnecessarily inflammatory signature?

There's nothing hypocritical or inflammatory about my sig or avatar on a Mac-centric forum.

We all have our preferences. But don't you think it's silly to bash one OS over another?

Not really. I've been using both Windows and Mac for 20+ years. Microsoft's products have done more harm than good to the world of technology and innovation. Their monoculture has been a scourge. And quite frankly, I'm tired of being the go-to fix-it guy for friends and relatives who use that junk. Fortunately for me and them, the conversion to Macs has been quite widespread.

Pointing out the crappiness of Windows on a Mac forum is neither inflammatory nor unexpected. Too bad these threads are half full of Microsoft or Google fanboys telling us how crummy our platform of choice is.

Anyway, don't you think it's time to get over the whole Windows versus OS X thing?

I wish. I still have to use Windows 40 hours a week. :(
 
There's nothing hypocritical or inflammatory about my sig or avatar on a Mac-centric forum.



Not really. I've been using both Windows and Mac for 20+ years. Microsoft's products have done more harm than good to the world of technology and innovation. Their monoculture has been a scourge. And quite frankly, I'm tired of being the go-to fix-it guy for friends and relatives who use that junk. Fortunately for me and them, the conversion to Macs has been quite widespread.

Pointing out the crappiness of Windows on a Mac forum is neither inflammatory nor unexpected. Too bad these threads are half full of Microsoft or Google fanboys telling us how crummy our platform of choice is.



I wish. I still have to use Windows 40 hours a week. :(

Do you use Windows 7? Runs fine on most laptops/desktops out of the box. Maybe circa Win95/98/ME/Vista there were issues. Hardly now though.
 
I see it as a 'defensive' move in that Apple/Microsoft will have a tougher time making claims of patent infringement.

Do they just magically nullify Apple/Microsoft patents? Google bought the patents because Android violates Apple/Microsoft/etc. patents, and Google wants leverage. That's not defensive.

Patent lawsuits are used only when said company is losing influence/market share. Its been Microsoft's MO for years now.

That's not a very well thought out statement. Apple isn't currently losing market share or influence.

The same Apple and Microsoft who are filling numerous courtrooms with suits/preliminary injunctions and shakedowns for royalties. Apple and Microsoft have already been attacking Google. Just by indirect movements. Bulked up, Google can step in and stop the shakedowns.

So, just to be clear, are you referring to Apple's patent claims as "shakedowns" because its Apple?

Apple has sued HTC and Samsung. Samsung primarily for design issues. Most of the rest of these major lawsuits were initiated against Apple. But only Google gets to refer to their patent claims as "defensive".
 
"We expect that this combination will enable us to break new ground for the Android ecosystem. However, our vision for Android is unchanged and Google remains firmly committed to Android as an open platform and a vibrant open source community. We will continue to work with all of our valued Android partners to develop and distribute innovative Android-powered devices."

Sums up nicely why Android is, and will continue to be fragmented crap, with handset manufacturers and carriers continuing to work back room deals that hose the end user, a la pre-iPhone feature phone days.

I was hoping that this signaled the maturation of the Android ecosystem, and a move to a more controlled, stable and consistent environment.
 
Then analysis of this move by Google today is all over the place. There are some very interesting points in all of this:

- The Moto patent portfolio did nothing to deter Apple and Microsoft lawsuits, and versus MSFT, Motorola's defense is not going so well with the ITC. Not sure how Google becoming the defendant changes the game, but Apple and MSFT have thus far avoided suing Google directly.

- Google agreed to pay Moto 2.5B if the Google backs out of the deal, while Moto need only pay Google 375M. Usually these amounts are the same on both ends according to Bloomberg. So Moto could get a higher bid and back out, but I doubt they would get a higher bid.

- Microsoft was supposedly in negotiations with Moto, so Google may have been backed into a corner here, lest MSFT acquire Motorola.

- Much of the Moto patent portfolio it's asserting against Apple and Microsoft is made up of encumbered patents that Moto is required to license at a fair rate because they are crucial to the industry. These are weaker tools at the negotiation table.

- Moto has 7500 pending patent applications which are currently not in play against competitors, and their could be some real gems in there if issued.

I just can't figure out if Google was trumping the competition with a surprise attack today or if they were acting out of desperation. If Google leverages Moto to control both hardware and software then I think there are some real long-term advantages. But if they are acquiring Moto for the reasons they stated, then I question if it's really worth $12.5B to Google. Either way this certainly shows a commitment to Android despite the fact that most of their revenue comes from search advertising. The folks who work in search are probably thinking they could have bigger bonuses if not for the subsidizing of the Android team.



Well Google buying Moto stops Apple and MS from taking pop shots indirectly t Android and forces them to take on Google head on. That changes the rules a bit. Google is a much larger force. On top of that they now have a good chunk of patents needed for LTE techology so that removed Apple from using the Nortel patents as a weapon against Android because they need some of those patents as well.

The other part I believe why Google wanted Moto was for Google TV. Moto already has a lot of agreements in place with the big cable companies on DVR boxes and what not. They could start loading up Android on those boxes and help get that deeper in the market.

Also Google could use it to help speed up the rather slow pace of the manufactures updating the OS on their phones because there is a real threat of the Moto phones now updating at a much faster pace. none of those 6+ month crap because a big player is now going to do it at shorter time span.
 
How does it do that? Motorola sued Apple first.

different law suits. But look at the list MS and Apple have filled. Apple went after HTC, Samsung and Moto. MS has the same list.

Might of worked it it was just Motorola but hard to say that when HTC, Samsung and Motorola are all in law suits with Apple. Apple fired first in at least 2 of those.
 
There's nothing hypocritical or inflammatory about my sig or avatar on a Mac-centric forum.

It seems hypocritical of you to point out what others do when you do it yourself. Why not set a better example regardless of where you are?

Not really. I've been using both Windows and Mac for 20+ years. Microsoft's products have done more harm than good to the world of technology and innovation. Their monoculture has been a scourge. And quite frankly, I'm tired of being the go-to fix-it guy for friends and relatives who use that junk. Fortunately for me and them, the conversion to Macs has been quite widespread.

Interesting, I been using both for more or less that time also. Throw in Linux also for a few years. And I do understand the whole being the go-to-fix-it-guy. It's one thing that irked me also. In fact, I recommend Macs to my less than computer savvy friends and family. And they have been mostly happy with them. Every computer and OS has its share of issues.

But do I feel a need to bash Windows or take up an ideological fight against Microsoft? No that's silly IMO. It's just an OS. A tool. Good thing I have choices.

Pointing out the crappiness of Windows on a Mac forum is neither inflammatory nor unexpected. Too bad these threads are half full of Microsoft or Google fanboys telling us how crummy our platform of choice is.

Agreed. Pointing out the deficits and weaknesses of Windows on any forum shouldn't be construed as inflammatory. But an avatar that shows Windows in a trash can is immature to say the least. Don't get me wrong. I can understand why you do it and you have every right to do it. But let's not pretend that it's a mature or even objective thing to do. It is exactly what a "fanboy" would do. Again, this is in the context of the discussion of trolls coming on here and irrationally bashing Apple and OS X. When they see things like your sig and avatar, it only fuels their actions. Something which makes you as guilty as them.

In any event, just to be clear, you are of course free to do as you wish and are entitled to. I was making an observation and don't really mean to be a bugaboo even though having been a bugaboo by point out what I observed. So, no hard feelings. :)
 
Maybe a bit late to the convo here, but wasn't El Goog being a whiny little b*tch a few weeks ago because Apple was "using patents to stifle innovation" in that whole Nortel Skirmish...?

Now they're just hypocrites. Aaand saddled with a company (plus those employees, who are probably sweating bullets atm) that makes far from desirable, hot commodity handsets.
 
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