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All that profit and yet they've just negotiated a deal with HMRC to pay a comparative pittance in back tax equivalent to a Corporation Tax Rate of just 3%. Shame on our politicians who continue to let this happen while hard working small businesses like mine get hammered for 20% Corporation Tax. I hope the EU intervene and expose our two face hypocritical Tory government for the charlatans they are.

Just think how bad the inept former charlatans of the labour party were that let them get away with paying NOTHING!!!

Maybe because a lot of people like me are done with Apple now that they've stopped doing anything right. Glad I saw this coming and sold my shares long ago.

I have to admit the last 2 apple purchases i made were returned - AW and ATV4,
 
Most of the users' behavior here can be explained along with their investment in AAPL stock. I think there's many last-minute stock holders entered in the market too late and now trying to figure out why this golden eggs goose seems to take money from almost everyone in the world and not putting it in their pockets. They just keep trying to rationalize what is not predictable, i.e. Wall Street attitude especially nowadays. While one thing only is certain: Apple's size and weight will always put the company on the main spot, for the good or the bad.
So while you may think and write about how the new mac Mini sucks, ten minutes and you have a plethora of well-informed gurus explaining about green economy, market share, personal use, enterprise guiding, resale value, anecdotical and universal experience. But the Mac Mini still sucks. This topic is quite representative of this.
By the way, I've sold all my AAPL stock bought in 2002 on early 2012 september, when it was clear that Apple had entered in the interests of too many greedy investors. Just to get back six months later and out again at the beginning of 2015. So yes I was lucky and made a lot of money with iToys, but that doesn't mean I'm forced to like whatever they throw to the market.
And the mini still sucks.
 
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It's because Apple keeps making 3000 different kinds of iPad's and not making the MACBOOK PRO SKYLAKE.

APPLE, RELEASE THE NEW MACBOOK PRO AND I WILL MAKE YOUR COMPANY $3000 RICHER.

Thanks bro
 
And Google did? Forgive my ignorance, but since when Google ever declared a dividend?
I don't disagree....but I was emphasising that Apple is not exploiting its position and performance.
Really?
OK all you dipstick google lovers. Apple is killing it and here are the FACTS! Google can only dream that some day they will hit these numbers.

Last Quarter just reported by both companies.

Google AKA alphabet a whopping 21.3B revenue WOW and a hold on now. a huge 4.9B Profit.


Apple had just 79.3B Rev and 18.4 BILLION in profit!!! That was the LARGEST EVER for any company EVER!!

So to compare it took Apple only 24 days just over 3 weeks into the quarter to make MORE profit then Google.

Apple made approx 204M profit PER DAY!!

Selling 35,000 iPhone per hour every day 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 90 days. And you experts have all these reasons APPL is doomed.

Every company in the world can only hope to be this doomed!

In the same quarter, Apple had costs of $62B whereas Google only had $16B. You can make the numbers as pretty as you want, anyhow you want.
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All that profit and yet they've just negotiated a deal with HMRC to pay a comparative pittance in back tax equivalent to a Corporation Tax Rate of just 3%. Shame on our politicians who continue to let this happen while hard working small businesses like mine get hammered for 20% Corporation Tax. I hope the EU intervene and expose our two face hypocritical Tory government for the charlatans they are.
I agree with the sentiment, but for clarity, HMRC has nothing to do with politicians. Where politicians can and will make a difference is when they vote for tax on sales rather than profit, then these corps will have no place to hide.
 
Google's approach is :
throw it all against a wall and see what sticks

You know that's what nature does, and what leads to perfection.
Everything is tried, and what works carries on, what fails falls by the wayside.
Years of doing that leads to perfect items.

Imagine if nature sat there years ago, thinking, naaaa, we won't try that, or we will deliberately hold that back as we don't like it.
 
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Keep telling yourself that untruth. You may actually believe what you say. The Mac business and the iTunes business are very strong parts of Apple and are the DNA of the company. But please go on and enjoy making yourself believe that Apple has no other leg to stand on. Every single major company today has at least one big hit record that took them to the highest mountain (Google Search, Android) (Microsoft Windows, Office) (Sony, TV's and Playstation) but it does not mean they should all close up business if that product that took them up there falters. Apple didn't become successful from being stupid. BTW, the iPad is still the #1 selling tablet in the U.S. despite declining tablet sales. They have plenty enough to keep them strong. But please don't allow facts to get in the way of your post.
Ask yourself a question, given all of these strings to their respective bows, if one of these companies couldn't exist after tomorrow, which one would the world do without?
 
It's profoundly strange that many here and analysts talk about Apple as if it's just standing still and hasn't made any moves on any new fronts. Bull.

Clearly SERVICES is a very profitable sector that Apple is certain to expand and improve upon. Maps is one glaring example. We know for a FACT that street view is coming soon. We now know that GOOGLE is paying Apple to keep its BILLION DOLLAR search business in iOS and OSX.

Streaming - since they barely got into music streaming do ANY of you believe it will be a long time til a VIDEO streaming service is launched? Really. Weird why this doesn't come up yet there's a fixation on a content package coming forward. Video streaming will most definitely come to Apple.

App Sales - this segment has shown astounding growth and will keep on its assent since ATV launched and its capabilities grow. Clickable content IS the future. ATV will evolve.

Apple Music - the WORLD is its oyster. It's not even a year old. New stations, refinement of its services, more content will make this a winner. Who cares if it's weak today. Worry about tomorrow.

Home Kit - in its prehistoric era. This will show growth this year and huge -- next.

The Watch -- by all metrics it's hugely successful for a NICHE market -- so far. I'm certain that once a battery solution is created either thru a battery band AND Bluetooth totally wireless EarPods untethered from your iPhone WILL BE A GAMECHANGER. Why would Apple untether the watch now? It's too soon.

The iPhone -- there's TONS of growth yet to come. Superior cameras, better automation.. Leasing will be a cash cow.. Trends in consumer purchasing is moving towards a leasing model in many areas.

Cloud Services - Apple isn't building data centers to just sit on the sidelines in this arena. C'mon.

Apple Pay -- many many many here and elsewhere underestimate its potential as a growth sector for solid revenue growth. Um -- Apple easily can become a Paypal overnight. A family member that works at Verifone claims that rumors are building Apple may make a play at them. What does that mean? 60 countries. A bank -- overnight. And a presence in a sick amount of global retailers.

Personally I'm not at all worried, disappointed, or concerned about Apples future. CEO Tim Cook has steered this once small time computer specialty company into a international powerhouse. Yeah it takes incredible SKILL to set up supply chains to produce, distribute, sell, and service a QUARTER BILLION IPHONES over a operating year. Clearly he's not idiot. I will say that there's no guarantee that Steve Jobs could've managed such insane growth as he was too slow to adapt to the new tech frontier.

I'm waiting for the day it's lights out for GOOGLE once it's kicked off the Apple ecosystem for good. You wanna see a stock crash? Just wait.

There is a lot of potential in the service category, but i'm not sure if the current management is up for the task. You seem to have too much confidence in the current service team (especially Eddy Cue). Under his reign a lot of the current services are an underwhelming experience. Those constructions zones should be fixed, before they expanding in every direction. So far they can't even get the core services like iCloud, Apple Music and the App Store right.

All three seem to have severe conceptual problems. iCloud is still no Dropbox/Onedrive/Google Drive competitor. Apple Music and itunes with the cloud library is also a PITA (webclient?!). So far Apple is probably loosing money on music streaming like the rest (Spotify, Rdio, Deezer etc.). And despite the (iPhone) app sales growth the Mac/Watch/iPad Pro/TV stores needs a complete overhaul. Maybe a developer could shed some light on this, but from my consumer experience there are very little quality apps and lots of wasteland. Phil Schiller will hopefully improve it before it's too late.

Also the proprietary approach with Apple Pay and Homekit isn't really a guarantee for a future success. The rollout is way too slow. This year it could be others, who set the (open) standard for mobile payment and home automatization. Apple should really step up their service game, there is lot's of room for improvements and growth if they offer high quality services.
 
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Are you freaking kidding me? Without iPhone Apple is as profitable as Google or Microsoft.

I miss the days not too long ago when the people on this forum actually had a grasp on reality.

No they wouldn't be. They would be no watch, iTunes purchases would drop dramatically as would app purchases, no cases, less extended warranties, less licensing for lightning, no music streaming.....

Go and see how well they were doing pre iphone
 
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Sure , and when you are short of arguments, personal insults comes handly....

Again, users complaints (a vocal minority of users I'd say) have nothing to do with financial analysis made by Wall Street.
More like, just too many places to know where to start...

These 'user complaints' have been building for the last few years especially - and although there may only be a minority vocal about it, the majority know it and still care (just not enough to post on forums like this).

When you alienate the vocal minority you are actually pushing away the influences and cheerleaders, i.e. the very people who (indirectly) are responsible for much of the demand of Apple's existing products - and the appetite for new ones.

Demand equals growth. Growth equals investment. If you can't see the connection, then I'm not going to waste any more time trying to spell it out.
 
Remember, the Street doesn't care about profits. They care about profit growth. It looks like Apple is a one-trick pony in a declining industry, while Alphabet is pushing forward. It might be time for Apple to use some of that cash to make a big acquisition. That would be better than using it for more stock buybacks, which will just reinforce the image that Apple is a declining business.

But it wasn't that long ago the Street wanted stock buybacks.
 
Again... so many misdirected comments... this is only about stock price and how investors view the company today. As you may know, the "today" part can change very quickly.

It's not about not having OSX on iPads or the failure of the Apple Watch... it's not about how bad Apple is doing... they actually are still doing very well. What Apple has not done is show how they will grow... or at least investors have not seen how they will grow yet. Personally, I think this will change as the year goes on and even thinking of grabbing another chunk of shares while Apple is so low.

On the other hand, it's interesting to see that Google has captured this much value with selling advertising. Who would have ever thought?
 
When is the board going to understand Tim Cook is a bean counter. Unless they fire this guy Apple will become nothing more then Microsoft of 2000-2010.

The problem is, who do you replace him with? Of the current executive team? or external?
 
All I can say is who cares, I'd much rather care about the products then wall street. Here's where I think Apple surpasses Google by a long shot.
 
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It is useless to talk about the value of a company while markets are going on such a roller coaster ride ... just like they did before the Great Recession, except this time it will be even more difficult for governments to stimulate growth. So, Apple is doomed, like the rest of us.
 
Again... so many misdirected comments... this is only about stock price and how investors view the company today. As you may know, the "today" part can change very quickly.

It's not about not having OSX on iPads or the failure of the Apple Watch... it's not about how bad Apple is doing... they actually are still doing very well. What Apple has not done is show how they will grow... or at least investors have not seen how they will grow yet. Personally, I think this will change as the year goes on and even thinking of grabbing another chunk of shares while Apple is so low.

On the other hand, it's interesting to see that Google has captured this much value with selling advertising. Who would have ever thought?

There lies the issue, people think Google's value is in advertising. Its like saying apple is the iphone.

Im sure google becoming the default search engine for apple helped them. This value is based on potential, and where the company is heading, what makes you think this year will be any different at apple from the last 2? Just product refreshes from apple. I expect most products to get refreshed this year, though nothing new, just spec bumps, the apple "car" is a few years away.
 
Again... so many misdirected comments... this is only about stock price and how investors view the company today. As you may know, the "today" part can change very quickly.

Ermmm... stock price is how investors view a company tomorrow.
 
Google Glass is the number one selling smartglass and a flop.
Apple Watch is the number one selling smartwatch and a flop.
You mean the glasses that never really made it to the public? And you compare them with an actual product that sold millions?
All wearables are flops.
Yes you do not need / want a wearable and they all are a flop...... you might have been right and convinced people about it IF your name was Steve Jobs.

Man i wish i could make a flop product like the Apple Watch!!!
 
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Yeah...google glass (Lingering, but barely), google wave dead , Google Buzz dead, driverless cars ( Still waiting ), Google+ ( Waiting to die ). Apple hit more out of the ball park than Google.
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Goole tend to hype products and services, some, that never see the light of day. Apple does a lot of R&D on different technology they never talk about.

You're talking about consumer focused products. I wasn't.
 
More like, just too many places to know where to start...

These 'user complaints' have been building for the last few years especially - and although there may only be a minority vocal about it, the majority know it and still care (just not enough to post on forums like this).

When you alienate the vocal minority you are actually pushing away the influences and cheerleaders, i.e. the very people who (indirectly) are responsible for much of the demand of Apple's existing products - and the appetite for new ones.

Demand equals growth. Growth equals investment. If you can't see the connection, then I'm not going to waste any more time trying to spell it out.
Reality check: Apple just ended another record quarter, where iPhone sales where HIGHER than previous.
In the real world people still buy Apple products more than other's... no matter how haters try to twist it.
 
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