Part of it is true, but I think Google just has more of that geek tech lab culture than apple. Look at their portofolio of strange or one-off projects: WIFI balloons, self-driving cars (not strange anymore), Cardboard, Glass, Cellular Carrier Service, Cable Service, etc. Which is why I think they are the more exciting company. Of course, all this does not guarantee profit margins, which is what Apple is good at.
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Part of it is true, but I think Google just has more of that geek tech lab culture than apple. Look at their portofolio of strange or one-off projects: WIFI balloons, self-driving cars (not strange anymore), Cardboard, Glass, Cellular Carrier Service, Cable Service, etc. Which is why I think they are the more exciting company. Of course, all this does not guarantee profit margins, which is what Apple is good at.
Also no Flash in mobile Safari and where is my damn physical keyboard?Let's remind ourselves how phones looked before the iPhone. They had no headphone jack. Even if they played music, they did it over some proprietary data port. Apple introduced the headphone jack to phones, because it wanted them to be like iPods. Up to iOS 4 the music app looked something like this.
The world is moving on and that the iPhone also is an iPod is of less and less importance. Music is streamed, shared and liked and Apple won't ditch the headphone jack without providing another great solution for how music is coming to your ear. Maybe after all they bought Beats ($3bn) for a reason.
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Damn, I miss that iPod app. Back when the music app was simple, efficient, elegant and fun to use. Back when iOS devices could properly function as iPods. That's how it should've always been but now the poorly-designed clusterf**k of a music app is what we're stuck with. Until Apple gives the music app a much-needed overhaul and gets back to the basics with it, I will never consider buying another iPhone or iPad.
I think Apple's best hope for the long-term is to find a new CEO. Tim Cook is a great supply chain guy and numbers manager, but has no vision and no insight into what consumers want. Jony Ive is a great designer, but needs somebody to push him (like Jobs did) to create products that look great and are inherently user-friendly. Apple has innovated at times, but what they always used to excel at was usability and common sense features and UI. I've seen that decline after Jobs.
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Global warming is a hoax. You're probably too young to remember the doom and gloom of the 'impending ice age' from the 70's. Same liberal crap, new players... Everything is built in China because big money is in bed with big Government. It's that simple.
Its not just about Android.
If you can't answer your question "what has Google innovated" by yourself, how can you possibly compare Google vs Apple in terms of innovation?
Maybe if you searched for 'google innovations' in your favourite search engine, you'd find out?
Both Apple and Google have come up with good innovative products. In Apple's case, we don't know what else they've been working on that doesn't come to market because of their secrecy. Google, are the opposite. Though I suspect that some research is secret.
It's not the CEO, it's simply the products. The mess is just like it with MS.
Windows struggles to innovate because of the legacy crap - why does windows have to be able to run every program still since 1983?
iOS is a cesspool of code, OS X is bloated and both are buggy and showing their age. The eco system is creaking at the seams and it just doesn't work anymore. Stop chasing every nook and cranny, screw the IPP, the AW, AM the pen - discontinue them, then double down on sorting out the mess. Abandon the yearly cycle of new bugs and old bugs re-done and bring back stability and a cross platform that works..
If Aramco goes public, as it's rumored, it'll be worth more than 3 Trillions, so...
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Android is free code, Google doesn't take profits from that apart from their services usage
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Android is free code, Google doesn't take profits from that apart from their services usage
Google is arguably the most advanced artificial intelligence company in the world, it may be orders of magnitude above its closest rival. You see typing text into a box and getting results. I see advanced algorithms and data harvesting at a scale no one on earth has ever seen. That is just text on the web. Remember Alphabet is really Youtube, Google[x], Calico, Venture capital, Sidewalk, Google for Work (50 million EDU subscribers alone), and a ton more.
This is the future. Distributed systems are winning in software development for a reason. Software is eating the world. Electronic gadgets are becoming commoditized and converging. If your software is not up to snuff, people will leave for software that just works... and it must work everywhere on ANY device. There are a great many people that have no idea how their data is locked into an ecosystem. You don't recognize it until you have to deal with it... then you get upset.
My wish is that Apple opened up. They could rival Google in terms of software. They need to rival Google in terms of software quite frankly. You can buy a linux computer for $9 (ChiP) for goodness sake. I love the old battle hardened OSX, I didn't mind paying for Snow leopard when I knew that I wasn't a beta tester. I think OSX could be awesome on the server, but developers are stuck with targeting Linux. Make OSX ubiquitous/synonymous with desktops and Apple wins the Enterprise. Open source as much as possible with proprietary software and developers flock. Microsoft is doing that and based on my observations, many developers are looking at them seriously again (outside of the enterprise).
The golden goose is software... (edit: and Apple's software kind of sucks right now.)
That was 9 years-ago. Who would have thought that nearly a decade later OS X has become more like iOS than the other way around. Wag the dog.
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And I will not play another game until they bring back Wings of Fury.
nostalgia - longing for the past
nostalgia - longing for the past
That video was made after Steves dead by the current team. I know their work doesn't always live up to their aspirations, but at least they know how it should work.
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You're wrong NONE of that would have made a difference to apples bottom line which is still very strong but based solely on iPhone sales not the others you mention. There would have been quite a bit more R&D and probably zero increases in sales.
Apple is entering a phase where it is making more money than ever but is selling fewer lines than ever. No other products are anything but very small compared to the iPhone.
The only thing that will help apple up from here is a car! I don't want to see an apple car, but the company is at peak sales and profits with a maintainable level, that is to say they can continue with current products and make a killing and keep market share but to add value to apple they need to make different things.
The only reason google/alphabet is so profitable is the sheer number of products and areas it operates in. all the google services, search, gmail etc etc etc, youtube (massive area of growth) experimental x and then adverts and much more stuff like AI, android, music, video, content, apps, android stores, books. Jesus the list goes on and on.
That wouldn't matter much if suddenly macs only ran iOS. It would be the end of the mac.
Meanwhile we have the iPad "Pro" running the Apple equivalent of Windows RT.
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lol... sure, keep thinking that.
Meanwhile, "In 2015, Denmark produced almost half of its electricity from wind power, breaking a world record for the most wind production ever recorded — a world record set last year, by Denmark.."
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Yes it is a shame OS X only runs on PowerPC. Oh wait, that changed, didn't it?
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I was gonna say the same. Just not search, but mail and youtube.
But it has been a good few years since I saw any ads from google on my browser.
The only things wrong with the RT were a lack of apps and a bad hardware. The iPad Pro doesn't have these problems.
Edit: Also, you missed my point about programs. The programs, the ones people want, only run on x86. You would have to convince everyone to recompile and change the code to make it work well on ARM. It's why there are still some OS X programs that don't work past PPC and why they had Rosetta for the longest time.
How so? Please enlighten me.
I am in a similar situation, I don't use Chrome, Gmail, Google Maps or Google search. But definitely use Youtube. I have switched to Duckduckgo and have been pretty pleased with the service. I am a heavy user of ad blocking and tracking as well.
As long as Google tells me what information they have stored for me and how can I buy it back and eliminate tracking, I am going to feed Google engine as minimally as possible. I definitely despise being their product.
I wish Google would have an option where I could pay for the services and not have all the tracking nonsense.
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Bought shares back when they were at 107$. Now I'm scared to check just to see the big number in "-".
When hopefully it goes back up to 107$ I will sell all of them right away.
When hopefully it goes back up to 107$ I will sell all of them right away.
"typing text into a box and getting results" is not AI. IBM is the AI king - not google. Google is the indexing King which they always have been. Where is their next product? Glass - no. Self driving cars - everyone is working on that now - no winner yet and for a long time. google docs - not up to Microsoft's level. I'm not saying they're not a great company - they are - but I feel wall St is highly undervaluing Apple. Google is an advertising agency - they have no other revenue sources. Apple's non iPhone business is growing quite nicely. And they're investing heavily in it. They are not sitting around on their laurels as Wall St. would have us believe. Like I said, their non iPhone business is the size of google.
As far as software bugs are concerned - everyone has that. I also feel Apple is addressing the issue aggressively with the beta program they've introduced.
I don't know the future but the values wall St is giving out are not based in reality at all. I think they're finally waking up to Amazon - their PE ratio has typically been 900 - now its down to 440 - still WAY to large.
Aaaaand were calling people stupid now.
I doubt you have any experience in the field of AI. I, however, have years of education in neurobiology and neuroscience in general as well as years of experience in computer programming, including building convolutional neural networks. So please, if anyone should realize that they are ill equipped to speak on this topic, it should be you.
We are actually very close to building human level intelligence AI. IBM recently built a neural simulation with far more neurons than contained in the human brain. With some fine tuning of the models, a more accurate map of an actual human brain, we really aren't that far away.
There's a phenomenon called emergent complexity. This phenomenon allows simple bees to weigh an enormous number of factors when deciding the best place to build a hive, and they usually come pretty close to the mathematically ideal place. AI is likely to work the same way. It only takes a few dumb components to create a breathtakingly complex and rich system.
Regardless of what you think, a large scale effort to make Siri smarter is a much better idea than an Apple car, simply because a flaw in Siri won't kill people, among a hundred other enormous reasons. Google recently invested in DeepMind, one of the best investments I've seen in recent years, and if Apple continues to ignore the field of deep learning and neural networks they're in for a very rude awakening very soon, especially when Google integrates this tech into Android and Google Now. Google Now is pretty much equal to Siri in capability today, but when they add in DeepMind tech it will be 100x more useful and far more impressive.
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If wanting something to be well-designed and functional again is considered nostalgic, then I'm proud to be nostalgic. Kinda goes to show you the decline of quality over at Apple. I bet you think the current music app is perfect and the best version of it because Apple says it is.
As I've said before, people like you are part of the reason why Apple gets away with releasing half-assed and poorly thought-out products and services. Because you continue to believe that no matter what they release, there's no wrong that they can do and it may be tough to admit but Apple has definitely lost its edge and buying whatever they dish out at you without questioning will only enable them to continue on their path of mediocrity.