Google Surpasses Apple as World's Most Valuable Company

[jm001]

What is this high school? Who cares if Google or Apple is "the most valuable company". All that matters is if the consumer is satisfied at the end of the day and the companies continue to innovate. MS was at the top, non-tech companies were at the top. Google will eventually bow out to some other company that may not even be part of the tech sector.

 

[Santabean2000]

Reality check: Apple just ended another record quarter, where iPhone sales where HIGHER than previous.
In the real world people still buy Apple products more than other's... no matter how haters try to twist it.

And their own projections for next quarter are...?

 

[joueboy]

If you've been paying attention Google has almost no actual product other than just the search engine. Obviously most of the income or very likely the only source of income is advertising. But why do we always talk about Google and stayed relevant to tech and business? Well they're smart enough too fool everyone that they're innovating especially the media. Year after year they temporarily put something new into the market that people gets excited about. Then later on they'll kill that particular product or services. If you noticed too if they have an actual product they tend to charge premium. But if they can outsource the product like the Nexus phones they'll sell it cheaper. Usually the reason why they overpriced their own product so that they can pay the people who are working on that project, as opposed to Nexus phone which is manufactured by a different company. For now Google will be keeping the GoogleCar because media and people talks about it. But later on wether it is going mainstream or not they're going to kill and start a new project. Google itself never had an actual product since the Google search website. They've been just buying companies who has the next predictable big thing. Then they put their ideas in the market so people talks about it, bring in the media so more people talks about it. This is been going on for years and it seems like nobody ever noticed this. Because we always want to know what's the next big thing and we don't care if its going to be an actual product and services or not. This is purely my observation and opinion and I just want to share to everyone to think about.

 

[MacBH928]

Google builds some nice products and advanced technology... but I hate to see it on the top because its a company that makes money off exposing your personal information.

If Google made their products private but commercial(paid not free) I would have a different opinion, but I also understand they will be no where as profitable as they are now

 

[groovyd]

guess it's time to diversify my portfolio, lol

 

[Stella]

Google builds some nice products and advanced technology... but I hate to see it on the top because its a company that makes money off exposing your personal information.

Regarding adverts, they do not expose your personal information, it is anonymous.

https://privacy.google.ca/about-ads.html

http://mashable.com/2012/03/01/google-privacy-data-policy/#foDGaccytZq0

 

[SnowLeopard OSX]

This is because Apple continually makes the dumbest decisions. Like thinning out an already thinned out phone and removing integral features like a ****ing headphone jack. Tim just continues to make the most glaringly money-hungry, customer-shafting decisions day in and day out, like he doesn't have enough cash in his bank account as he continually sells the soul of Apple.

And I say this as someone who is (or at least, at some point, WAS) absolutely captivated by the magic that Apple introduced to the world when Jobs was alive. The company seems to have taken a turn for the worse. It continually veers into "ordinary consumer money grabbing company" and not much else.

 

[Max(IT)]

And their own projections for next quarter are...?

And EVERYONE OTHER projections for the next quarter are ... ?

Dude, Apple isn't releasing any iPhone in the next quarter and the market is saturated. Samsung's profit numbers are collapsing as well....

This has nothing to do with the iPhone being better or worse.

 

[Radon87000]

Reality check: Apple just ended another record quarter, where iPhone sales where HIGHER than previous.
In the real world people still buy Apple products more than other's... no matter how haters try to twist it.

LOL and the damage control begins.Time to face the facts here.iPhone sales are going to decline from hereon in.And at least 70% of Apple depends on iPhone for their profits.Theres no way but down from here.Alphabet/Google is where the real innovation and investor interest lies.Cant say I blame them.Apple has become a stagnant company off late
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This is because Apple continually makes the dumbest decisions. Like thinning out an already thinned out phone and removing integral features like a ****ing headphone jack. Tim just continues to make the most glaringly money-hungry, customer-shafting decisions day in and day out, like he doesn't have enough cash in his bank account as he continually sells the soul of Apple.

And I say this as someone who is (or at least, at some point, WAS) absolutely captivated by the magic that Apple introduced to the world when Jobs was alive. The company seems to have taken a turn for the worse. It continually veers into "ordinary consumer money grabbing company" and not much else.

Exactly.Someone nees to tell Ive and TC that making the iPhone thinner wont generate consumer interest.New screen tech,wireless charging,second screen like on the V10,and edge LED like on the S6 are examples of innovation

 

[macfacts]

What is this high school? Who cares if Google or Apple is "the most valuable company". All that matters is if the consumer is satisfied at the end of the day and the companies continue to innovate. MS was at the top, non-tech companies were at the top. Google will eventually bow out to some other company that may not even be part of the tech sector.

The problem is some people that love Apple products then invest money in the company. It is funny seeing some iPhone users complain about 16GB base storage but other iPhone users love it because they have money invested in Apple.

 

[Radon87000]

Better products and more sales aren't related.
Otherwise according to well known posters here, Galaxy S6 edge would have sold more than the iPhone 6S, and that's far from the truth.
Wall Street don't even know what an iPhone is, technically. They don't care.

So the uninformed posts are yours. Another ranting about Apple.

The S6 Edge does not sell more IN THE USA.Dont speak for other countries.In Australia,I have seen way more S6 than the 6s

 

[businezguy]

You act like Apple isn't heavily invested in potential future technologies. There is infinite potential for growth from Apple. The thing is, unlike alphabet Apple doesn't publicize the things they are working on. There is just as much a possibility that either company is going to stun us with a massive breakthrough in a new area. It's just easier to see how alphabet may grow in the future whereas with Apple you have to just believe they are working on things to continue to grow as a business. For a lot of people that isn't a safe enough bet and apples stock will reflect that. I just hope Apple doesn't try to adjust its business model of secrecy in order to keep Wall Street happy. I like being blown away by surprise technological advancements. I hope Apple can do it again.

That may be true, but we do have access to products that once were secrets and are now made public. For instance, what do you think of the iPad Pro that was clearly rushed to the market to ensure Apple met revenue for last quarter? Released with a version of IOS that clearly doesn't support it, with large spacing between icons on the home screen, etc.

How about that Apple Watch with a hard to use interface, poor battery life, dependence on the iPhone? How about the fact that it's not a major success?

Due to increasing pressure to meet or exceed previous profits, and due to Tim Cook's lack of vision, Apple lacks the discipline necessary to develop products that are innovative and wholly refined. The new Apple releases as much crap as they can in order to see what sticks. That didn't work out too well for Samsung.

 

[AFEPPL]

What is this high school? Who cares if Google or Apple is "the most valuable company". All that matters is if the consumer is satisfied at the end of the day and the companies continue to innovate. MS was at the top, non-tech companies were at the top. Google will eventually bow out to some other company that may not even be part of the tech sector.

Matters to the fanboys -

 

[Ted13]

And their own projections for next quarter are...?

As opposed to Google's or Amazon's projections for next quarter? And don't forget that Apple is the one actually giving out detailed information -- compare it to say Amazon which puts out this graphics without a single number with them -- call it the "Bezos graph".

On a broader point I do think that having far smaller income, Google has for the time being faster growth, but at the same time I think that the chances of them actually surpassing Apple on income/profit are zero. Any effort on their part to produce hardware, have utterly flopped, indeed from an income standpoint they have, do, and will continue with 95% of their profit from advertising based on search. I think that will remain very, very successful and indeed grow -- but will never be in the same realm as Apple's income.

 

[LordVic]

Are you freaking kidding me? Without iPhone Apple is as profitable as Google or Microsoft.

I miss the days not too long ago when the people on this forum actually had a grasp on reality.

This commentary has to stop. Because it's not necessarily true.

If we want to play the "What if" game.

IF there was no iPhone. Several other portions of Apple's business would not nearly be where they are today. The iPhone, as unfortunate as it is to admit, IS a halo product, that does help boost other areas of their business.

For example

Other category: Which accounts for 6% of their business, contains the Apple Watch. The Apple watch would not exist without the iPhone.

Another category that would seriously be hit would be "Services". How much of Apple's service category, such as iTunes, Music, iCloud, would suffer without the iPhone platform which they are used mostly on?

Then there's the iPad, would the iPad have had the run-away success on launch if people didn't already know what to expect from the iPhone? another question could even be "Would the iPad exist if there was no iPhone?"

Mac sales would likely be significantly less. You can argue that Apple relied heavily on brand awareness from the iPhone to get people to look at their computers. Prior to 2007, Apple computeres were < 4% of the world marketshare. it wasn't till post 2007 did Apples computer sales grow remarkably. The brand awareness from the iPhone carried over. Especially once you got people into Apple stores for their phones, and saw "oh hey, they also sell computers".

Most of this was on the backs of the iPhone. so lets not play "without the iPhone, Apple would still be the bigger company". Because that is in all likeliness, hogwash. And Wallstreet, as much as I deride them for being ultimately irrelevant, is basing their predictions on "what if" in the future. What if Apple suddenly stops selling lots of iPhones, and it no longer is the revenue cash cow? Does Apple have something to replace it? to help ballance this out

 

[Gudi]

You know that's what nature does, and what leads to perfection. Everything is tried, and what works carries on, what fails falls by the wayside.

I think you might have misunderstood Darwin. What nature does is it kills everything except what's best adapted to it's environment. Nature doesn't try, it ends experiments. Life tries and fails. Who would have thought out of all those companies Apple would prevail? In hindsight it's obvious, Apples interests are best aligned with those of its customers. The minute computers stop to be disposal junk replaced every six month, bought by accountants who don't use them for employees who hate them, user experience would become more important than price.

Imagine if nature sat there years ago, thinking, naaaa, we won't try that, or we will deliberately hold that back as we don't like it.

Not years ago, more like decades ago Steve Jobs decided he wanted his computers to be instant on, because every second less boot time would save years of life time when added over millions of users. And users agreed, thousands of little decision like that made the Mac. And the Mac not only survived the PC wars, it became responsible for over half of all profits in the PC market.

If everyone tries everything,
how can anyone perfect anything?​

 

[rhett7660]

This is because Apple continually makes the dumbest decisions. Like thinning out an already thinned out phone and removing integral features like a ****ing headphone jack. Tim just continues to make the most glaringly money-hungry, customer-shafting decisions day in and day out, like he doesn't have enough cash in his bank account as he continually sells the soul of Apple.

And I say this as someone who is (or at least, at some point, WAS) absolutely captivated by the magic that Apple introduced to the world when Jobs was alive. The company seems to have taken a turn for the worse. It continually veers into "ordinary consumer money grabbing company" and not much else.

Last I checked this was rumor no?

Like this was never done under Steve? Please how long have you been dealing with Apple? It has been like this long before Tim.

 

[HenryDJP]

Apple did it to Nokia, Nokia did it to Ericsson, and Ericsson did it to Motorola. Eventually someone will do it to Apple, it's just how the business world works.

Given that Apple previously almost went bankrupt and was saved by Microsoft, to suggest that they are a special case that is immune to corporate decline is just demonstrably false.

They're a company. I have no strong emotional connection to them, despite owning a mac and an iphone. Whatever comes next, I'm sure I'll enjoy using it just as much.

WHOA, you had me in your corner until I read every single bit of this anti-Apple nonsense. Firstly, Apple isn't stupid and apparently you give them zero credit for being smart. They don't rely on ONE product. That's why they have multiple projects and they continue to add to that. So in case one begins falter they will not be headed back into bankruptcy.

And do yourself a favor before you make yourself look ridiculous, get your facts straight before posting. Apple wasn't saved by Microsoft. Microsoft was involved in anti-trust suit with Apple and Microsoft was losing the case. Rather than drag it out longer and to a more costly payout to Apple they offered to settle with Apple. And please, don't be ignorant to the fact. It was only $150 million in stock. If Apple and Jobs didn't have the smarts to take that tiny amount of money and re-build the company properly there would be no Apple. Money doesn't solve the problem otherwise Microsoft wouldn't be struggling so much. Did you forget the failure of the Zune? And the Surface has not be a huge success. It takes more than money to save a company.

But please go on. You're entertaining along with some others here who are very transparent in hoping that Apple does falter so they can feel satisfied about being "right".
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Ask yourself a question, given all of these strings to their respective bows, if one of these companies couldn't exist after tomorrow, which one would the world do without?

Given the fact that I graduated college studying in Electronics and our classes were involved in working on the IBM, MS Dos and the Apple Macintosh.....and every single bit of my studies and exams were done on 100% pen and paper...That should answer your somewhat arrogant question.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Moron

Lol

 

[Popeye206]

Ermmm... stock price is how investors view a company tomorrow.

I know... but driving stock down when an opportunity hits makes for great buying opportunities and profits down the road.

 

[Gudi]

This is because Apple continually makes the dumbest decisions. Like thinning out an already thinned out phone and removing integral features like a ****ing headphone jack.

Also no Flash in mobile Safari and where is my damn physical keyboard?

Let's remind ourselves how phones looked before the iPhone. They had no headphone jack. Even if they played music, they did it over some proprietary data port. Apple introduced the headphone jack to phones, because it wanted them to be like iPods. Up to iOS 4 the music app looked something like this.

iPod
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The world is moving on and that the iPhone also is an iPod is of less and less importance. Music is streamed, shared and liked and Apple won't ditch the headphone jack without providing another great solution for how music is coming to your ear. Maybe after all they bought Beats ($3bn) for a reason.

 

[shk718]

There will be more calls for a change at the top at Apple now. Alphabet is seen as the true innovator, and Android the clear winner in mobile.

what has Google innovated? Android is the winner - in profits? Nope! Apple has innovated quite a bit - but wall St. doesn't seem to notice. Apple's chip designs are best in class. 3d touch is super clever. Camera processing algorithms - best in class. Apple watch - number 1 in wearable's. Apple profits - best of any company - ever! You'd have to remove the iPhone business to shrink Apple down to Google revenue levels.

 

[laskoldier]

I think the Apple Watch is a hell of a lot more successful than Google Glass. I see people wearing them every day. I've never seen someone wearing Google Glass out in the real world.

Google Glass never really went on sale during the height of it's hype. I would venture a guess that if Apple had released the watch as an experiment, with an invite system or requirement to be a developer in order to purchase, the watch would have sold far less once the hype died down. Apple is a MARKETING MACHINE, and there is no way they would not capitalize on the hype that they create. Google is just...different? Apple operates and focuses on the next product launch, whereas Google seems more content to experiment with many years in the future in mind. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss. I don't think either approach is wrong - but I do think that is why people say Google is more "innovative".

 

[mytdave]

So let me get this straight... Apple sells real products and Google sells advertising. Apple posts $76B in revenue and Google posts $21B, yet Google's market cap is higher than Apple? A tad bit over-valued eh? That's Wallstreet. Now you know why people consider investing in Wallstreet as simply gambling.

 

[pika2000]

Not years ago, more like decades ago Steve Jobs decided he wanted his computers to be instant on, because every second less boot time would save years of life time when added over millions of users. And users agreed, thousands of little decision like that made the Mac. And the Mac not only survived the PC wars, it became responsible for over half of all profits in the PC market.

If everyone tries everything,
how can anyone perfect anything?​

Love that video, and I wish the current Apple team watch it again.
Although I like Apple products (switched from Windows to OS X when Apple switched to intel), I question many recent decisions that Apple did.
It started with the small things, ie. the holes of the iPhone 5c case.
Then the buggier and buggier iOS and OS X releases.
Even design wise, I questioned the antenna lines on the 6/6S.
And the new magic mouse with charging port on the bottom? The silicone battery case?
Can I call those "taking their time" and "perfection"?

Don't get me wrong. I think the retina Macbook has a great design. Features like AirDrop makes me think I live in the future. But the kinks are getting felt more and more.

Now I don't think the competitors are doing any better, but things are getting more on par with Apple than before.