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Oh stop the security through obscurity line that Leo LaPorte gets wrong so often. OS X could have a billion users and it still wouldn't be as big a target as Windows would continue to be. It's a difference in architecture that makes OS X relatively invulnerable. Note, I didn't say invulnerable, just less so because of the UNIX foundation. That will always be true.

I agree 100%. People saying this are being ignorant of the capabilities and desires of those who wish to do evil. It is not like there is some smaller percentage of hacks compared to Windows, it is essential 1 million to zero. That denotes something more significant then just the number of targets.


This is overkill. Switching an entire OS because of one security flaw? There have been plenty of flaws in IE before so why choose now? Has to be some PR reason behind it.

I think you answered your own question.


I'm really tired of the whole "if Mac gains market-share then they will start getting hacked too!" thing. There is a huge difference in an app or OS that was built with security from the design phase versus an app or OS that addresses security as an afterthought. So, when you say things like that, you are simply showing your ignorance of the SDLC (that is software development life-cycle if you are unsure). Am I saying MacOS is immune to attacks? Of course not. However, other info sec managers out there, share your findings of your last Retina scans and tell me how the risks/vulnerabilities stack up with respect to Unix OS's versus Windows. It isn't pretty, folks.

Again, as with others of the same mindset I agree 100%.

Or even better their search/page rank algorithm, which many people have asked them to reveal for years.

But no one talks about that.

I would love them to be open about their Quality Score Rankings for Adwords as well. Google doesn't even provide proper support for people who spend 7 and 8 figure budgets advertising with them every year. Anyone who thinks Google is Open about anything is not dealing in reality.
 
I would love them to be open about their Quality Score Rankings for Adwords as well. Google doesn't even provide proper support for people who spend 7 and 8 figure budgets advertising with them every year. Anyone who thinks Google is Open about anything is not dealing in reality.

I think you have the word 'anything' mixed up with the word 'everything'. It is clearly true that Google are open about some things, but not others.

If Google published their page rank algorithm, what do you think would happen (hint: what would companies do)?
 
Given the type of people that work at Google, I am betting that most of them would choose linux over OS X.

GL


Absolutely. I also bet that many of those Macs will be running Linux instead of Mac OS X. Linux runs great on Apple hardware, and I doubt that Google staff has a need for iLife...

I'm actually surprised that Google was using Windows internally at all. I'm also surprised that Mac OS X - another proprietary platform - is an option for them. I always thought of Google as an Open Source company that only uses technology that it can completely control.

(Writing software for Windows and OS X is a different story. I'm talking about INTERNAL use here.)
 
So will this make Mac OS X a big enough target for the vulnerability exploiters?

No. If you read the FT article, you will see this:

"New hires are now given the option of using Apple’s Mac computers or PCs running the Linux operating system."

I think this means that even the Macs will be running Linux. It's only a choice of hardware, not the choice of a software platform. Because:

“Linux is open source and we feel good about it,” said one employee. “Microsoft we don’t feel so good about.”

They want to be a full Open Source company now, which is a smart move.
 
Given the type of people that work at Google, I am betting that most of them would choose linux over OS X.

GL

Why? Linux is free, and can be loaded onto their current machine. If they chose a mac, they'd get shiny new hardware. I'm guessing that the people you're talking about would also be happy installing linux via bootcamp, anyway - I hear it's possible, but never really checked.
 
Think about a halo effect as well. People change the work OS, become used to Mac OS, end up buying one or two for their home... since they work for Google, they likely have a level of credibility with friends and family, which leads to more influence over purchasing decisions and helps spread the Mac brand.

So 10,000 computers turns into 50,000 computers.
 
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clayj said:
What this tells me is that Google are incapable of properly securing a network.

I was thinking the same thing. What happens when their Mac gets a vulnerability and apple refuses to tell anyone and takes forever to patch.
 
<sigh> I can tell by your reply that you did not even understand what was written there. I don't reply here for your sake, but rather the other readers who might be interested.

LOL Are you ready??

>> The key to understanding Windows rootkits is understanding that Windows rootkits don't have to 'get root'.

That is flat out wrong. Period.

A rootkit installs itself as a driver on any NT kernel systems. To do this however you have to be in the administrator group.

The issue is not the windows kernel or anything about windows actually. They problem is that all users, are by default, administrators. All the time.
Well, you've already contradicted that big bold statement, so the LOL is on you. :D On the one hand you say it's wrong... then on the other hand you confess that —by default —all users are admins all the time. "Admin" in the case of Windows is? anyone? anyone? Bueller? root. Right.

That's exactly what the author meant by not having to "get" root. :eek: Get it yet? :cool:
That's why inserting a CD from Sony was enough to get pwned w/o a password request.
That's why Windows updates online happen without user participation. Your OS is pwned.

On Mac and Unix, hackers need to "get" root... it isn't available to them by design.



That entire article is a buncha crap actually. It tries to explain it all by talking about unix file permissions. Unix has basically a 3x3 matrix for ever file on the computer. User, Group, Everyone by Read, write and execute. Windows NT has however access control lists. when are far far more more power than unix permissions. In windows, admins and specify PER-USER access controls. Example - Users have full control except for John who only has write control. Admins can read and write but not execute (security precaution), but user "jane" can also read the file. You cannot do this in Unix file system.
You are wrong. ACLs have been implemented in Unix for quite a while now. Where did you think Windows got them from? :rolleyes: Do you even use Mac OS X? Don't you know we have ACLs too? How can you post such ridonkulous mistakes and then try to call that article a "buncha crap". Obviously you aren't qualified to render judgement on something you yourself don't even grasp.

You don't seem to get that Windows needs ACLs precisely because it *inherently* lacks the provisions for that "3x3 matrix" as you call it. ACLs don't add power (lol), they add flexibility.

There ain't a single ACL down in OSX's system because

-rwx------ root wheel

is already *enough* to totally stop anyone that isn't root (along with similar perms on the parent folder). No ACL necessary. Windows needs ACLs because getting root is a piece of cake. You get pwned because "ownership" isn't a part of its vocabulary deep down where it counts.

Now... what does it take to manipulate ACLs on Windows? Again, any hacker that gets in is going to know how to shoo them away... because the underlying structure itself doesn't grok basic ownership & privileges, and thus will allow those ACLs to be tweaked. ActiveX... system control in any document? Super. VBScript? Thank you very much.



LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL this is great ... again also not true. Idk about you but I kind prefer right clicking a program and selecting "run as administrator" over going into a terminal and typing out commands. Let me tell you ... much better than right click menus.
Again, you misunderstand the article's point while simultaneously proving you don't know that OSX has other ways of granting authorization. Most such password requests appear automatically when the user performs the questionable action. If you want a real good "LOL" just read your own post.



Oh and BSoD ... because macs never have kernel panics. It is just as easy to write a ****** driver for OSX and it is for windows.
Yeah right, it's just as easy to "write" one.
Installing it is another matter. :cool:

Better hit the books friend, you need it.
 
A poke in the eye for the hardcore Windows fans, as well as the company.
 
Geniuses @ Google

"mostly due to security concerns of Windows (IE)"

Wow, these guys at Google are absolute GENIUSES!!!

It took them only about 10 years to figure this out. :rolleyes:

And that learning curve otta really throw them off.

Amazing, this is supposed to be a "smart" company?
 
Absolutely. I also bet that many of those Macs will be running Linux instead of Mac OS X. Linux runs great on Apple hardware, and I doubt that Google staff has a need for iLife...

I'm actually surprised that Google was using Windows internally at all. I'm also surprised that Mac OS X - another proprietary platform - is an option for them. I always thought of Google as an Open Source company that only uses technology that it can completely control.

(Writing software for Windows and OS X is a different story. I'm talking about INTERNAL use here.)

It's still a sale for OS/X if the employee chooses Mac hardware and then loads some Linux distro on it. You can't choose between OS/X and Linux, you can only choose Linux or both.
 
Kinda interesting to me considering Apple and Google haven't been getting along well. Glad to see a mass purchase of Macs by the Google giant.

Dont think that would have any impact tbh. Google aren't forcing employees to use Mac. They are giving them a choice, and most obviously would rather use a Mac over Linux.

I dare say Google management couldn't care less which OS their staff use, as long as its secure, and they get their work done.


Although, on the flip side...maybe Google will be a bit quicker at getting stable builds of software out for the mac! :rolleyes: Chrome only JUST went stable, and has yet to include a flash plugin (oh no...I said flash!)
 
Absolutely. I also bet that many of those Macs will be running Linux instead of Mac OS X. Linux runs great on Apple hardware, and I doubt that Google staff has a need for iLife...

I'm actually surprised that Google was using Windows internally at all. I'm also surprised that Mac OS X - another proprietary platform - is an option for them. I always thought of Google as an Open Source company that only uses technology that it can completely control.

I think the OpenSource thing is to just get positive PR from the supergeeks. It might not be true, but its the impression that the Google visitors give us at the University visits.

(There's 'always the its opensource therefore it is epic' undertone to their seminars)

"mostly due to security concerns of Windows (IE)"

Wow, these guys at Google are absolute GENIUSES!!!

It took them only about 10 years to figure this out. :rolleyes:

And that learning curve otta really throw them off.

Amazing, this is supposed to be a "smart" company?

IE libraries are built into the OS for things like .Net. Removing IE blocks most standard hacks, but a truly skilled attacker can still use the libraries.
 
So will this make Mac OS X a big enough target for the vulnerability exploiters?

Maybe it's a conspiricy that google is trying to bring down apple by making it more appealing to hackers and viruses! Uh oh!

Or maybe eventually they will use their own os? That'd be like a chef that didn't eat his own food
 
I keep hearing all this talk about viruses. I am surprised people even develop viruses for Windows because it would just be one drop in the bucket. A Mac virus would be headline news.

Glad to see Windows on the way out. It really is only needed for certain games and rare business apps. I am surprised businesses even use Windows with all the problems that go with it. Maybe they need to run Crysis alongside with Office 2007.
 
Sounds good. Over all, OSX makes a way better dev machine for platform independent development anyway.
 
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