I'm sorry, the hardware upgrades do the Nexus 7 no justice. It's still the god awful Android experience underneath and no doubt have a worse battery life.
The grass isn't always green.
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I own one so I can tell you about the initial setup experience. During first boot setting up Wi-Fi can't be skipped. A mandatory system update must be applied and this can't be skipped either. This update warned me that it would wipe out my settings. Fine, applied and rebooted.
After that I again inputted the WiFi settings and began what should have been the initial setup experience. I hit the home screen and another system update is available. I wonder how did this "experience" get through testing? Imagine buying a laptop and not being able to immediately use it?
I already knew what I was getting into. Google ships first and fixing the mess later.
A myth that every fanboy needs to post especially when he/she has no valid argument.
They all think android is still like it used to be on G1
Yeah - I hate it when a manufacturer is vigilant to provide the latest updates to a device even though it's shipped. I'd much rather have to wait a few weeks or months
Sound more like an issue with patience. Personally I'm never in "that much of a rush" to start using a device and welcome any updates.
Not that I've experienced such a thing often. But as a general rule.
A myth that every fanboy needs to post especially when he/she has no valid argument.
They all think android is still like it used to be on G1
I still have my G1..
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I am slowly getting away from Apple stuff, my MB didn't get 10.8, (thanks to wayne I got it anyway) I am ditching my iPhone for a Nexus, I was waiting to see what ios 7 was and sorry Apple, Im out...
Except I will use my PB running Tiger till it explodes...
Yeah - I hate it when a manufacturer is vigilant to provide the latest updates to a device even though it's shipped. I'd much rather have to wait a few weeks or months
Buy a laptop, turn it on, whoops can't use it due to mandatory update. Is that acceptable?
Apply the same to a tablet. Whoah awesome experience!
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No kidding? You've never experienced such a thing?
Buy a laptop, turn it on, whoops can't use it due to mandatory update. Is that acceptable?
Apply the same to a tablet. Whoah awesome experience!
It's about par for the course for the consoles. I had to wait through two or three patches when I first fired up my PS3. Same with games on it. If there's a patch available for it, I HAVE to download it. Que a couple minutes of sitting there staring at a bar.
Does it bother me much? Eh. It's annoying, but it only lasts about 5 minutes at the very most. Really, it's better that everyone has the latest and greatest patches and updates than being able to jump right into the experience and forgetting about them shortly thereafter. What if a particularly bad bug managed to eek it's way past all the beta testing? It's better to get it out of the way so your end users never experience it, rather than give them instant gratification and then have all their data out of their MP3 folder deleted randomly because they forgot to update.
I have a PS3 also and patches don't prevent me from playing older games* or booting into the PS3 home screen. Game specific patches will either enforce a game patch and/or a PS3 firmware update.
*If online play is required then the patch(es) must be applied.
Does MS prevent a user from booting a legitimate copy of Windows even if a critical update is needed? No. Neither does Apple regarding OS X. IIRC, Apple issued a critical SMC update for the MBP that I own and not applying that didn't prevent me from booting OS X.
AFAIK, Apple doesn't make a user update iOS. Maybe a carrier update can prevent a user from accessing the cellular network, but that doesn't prevent a user from booting and using apps in iOS.
That said, yes, users should update their software. However, we should still have the option to skip and update later.
duffman9000 said:
The first mandatory Android update that I encountered prevented me from even booting into the home screen. This is a new low for Google.
I could respond to the whole reply, but it all really comes down to the fact you're over exaggerating a not-too-big-a-deal situation into a very-big-deal-indeed. All that's happening is that you turn on your tablet, see you've got an update waiting, press the button to download it, wait about a minute or two, and then...
...life goes on. Yeah, it's a little annoying, but having a couple of minutes taken out of your day isn't gonna kill you. Google's "new low"? Good god.
I have no idea. Though to me, it sounds roughly as bad as getting an update in Windows that requires you to restart your computer. You get that little warning pop up on your screen, you reboot, wait for it to update before logging in, then your day goes on as usual.
It's all much ado about a minor inconvenience. Sure, Google doesn't have to make updating mandatory, but, for some reason or another, they did. It's really not that bad of a thing.
Buy a laptop, turn it on, whoops can't use it due to mandatory update. Is that acceptable?
Apply the same to a tablet. Whoah awesome experience!
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No kidding? You've never experienced such a thing?
I never said I've never experienced such a thing.
And clearly my patience level is higher than yours.
I have had consoles and PCs that required updates when booting up.
I don't remember being able to use my iPhone for a good several hours after I bought it because the servers were so backed up and the only way to get past the first screen was by activating it.
Clearly having to wait - what - 30 minutes? Was an issue/annoyance for you.
As I said - I would rather have that small inconvenience and have the latest updates installed then boot up and have some crashes because something was wonky. To each their own.
Maybe you have low standards? Can I buy a computer and immediately use it without having to apply a system update? Yes, I can.
I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have. I would have bought a iPad mini if not for the display.
Now go back to my post where I explained my initial experience on a Nexus 7. Android has its quirks, but guess what, so does iOS.
When I picked up my iPad, I wasn't able to pull it out of the box and immediately start using it. I had to play with all my settings, sign up for an Apple account, and do all that other good stuff. Having to install the latest update at the end of that wouldn't make much of a difference to the oh so mythical "user experience".
1) Are you really sure you want to make assumptions about someone you don't know on the internet?
2) I agree - both (well ALL OSes) have their quirks. None is perfect. And machines are not infallible.
Which is another reason I tend to have patience when it comes to having the latest and greatest and prefer a manufacturer pause my use of their device for a moment to make sure I am using the "best they got" vs any frustration I might have from "more" buggy software.
Now maybe it's that tone is hard to read on the internet. But myself (and at least one person) are reading your comments as if you're flabbergasted, annoyed and almost intolerant of having to wait as if the time spent isn't worth it. If that's not your intended tone, then obviously that's not the case.
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Well he's right - you do have low standards
Show me this PC that required an update to boot.
So? An iPhone requires activation. My Nexus 7 doesn't.
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Maybe you're imagining things or didn't read what I posted in my first post when I explained my initial setup experience:
Just like I already know I will get from iOS.
Well he's right - you do have low standards
Shut up, Fandroid.
duffman9000 said:
From the sound of it, it's installing the updates at the end of the sign up process. Not that big of a deal.
Admittedly, no computer does this at first boot, but then again, tablets and phones are set up differently than PC OSes. The closest analog I can think of is how Ubuntu allows you to grab the latest updates when you're installing it.
Let's clarify. Do you object to being able to use your device as soon as it's unboxed or that you have to install updates (on your nexus) to use the device.
To me - what's the difference? If I have to wait because of some server or because an update is being applied - I'm still waiting.
And ultimately - I don't really care either way because to me it's just not that big of a deal.
Clearly it is for you. To me - there are bigger things to worry about.