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Calm down everyone hahaha... I'm trying to explain my initial setup experience on a new Nexus 7. Yes, I'm annoyed that there was a mandatory update that prevented even booting the device. No, it's not the end of the world. Yes, I already knew what I was getting into with Android --- Google ships first and updates later.

Yes, I'm applying probably high standards that I've gotten used to from using computers for the last 20 years. I'm not sorry for expecting a device to at least be able to boot right out of the box.

Yes, it's not that serious. :D
 
Calm down everyone hahaha... I'm trying to explain my initial setup experience on a new Nexus 7. Yes, I'm annoyed that there was a mandatory update that prevented even booting the device. No, it's not the end of the world. Yes, I already knew what I was getting into with Android --- Google ships first and updates later.

Yes, I'm applying probably high standards that I've gotten used to from using computers for the last 20 years. I'm not sorry for expecting a device to at least be able to boot right out of the box.

Yes, it's not that serious. :D

It's good to know I don't need to recommend blood pressure medicine ;) Have a great rest of the weekend.

BTW - I guess if you were IT and had dozens of devices that you needed to update before loading it with software it would definitely be a pain in the butt...
 
It's good to know I don't need to recommend blood pressure medicine ;) Have a great rest of the weekend.

BTW - I guess if you were IT and had dozens of devices that you needed to update before loading it with software it would definitely be a pain in the butt...

yea no kiddin…
 
BTW - I guess if you were IT and had dozens of devices that you needed to update before loading it with software it would definitely be a pain in the butt...

I could see that as a boon for IT people. They wouldn't have to worry about everyone having the latest security patches because it's set up to download them when you first take it out the box and fire it up.
 
IBTW - I guess if you were IT and had dozens of devices that you needed to update before loading it with software it would definitely be a pain in the butt...

I was an ET in the Navy and we applied updates before deploying an image. Offline mode was the primary use case and we would never consider making a user apply an update before the OS is bootable let alone using any of the packaged software.
 
I was an ET in the Navy and we applied updates before deploying an image. Offline mode was the primary use case and we would never consider making a user apply an update before the OS is bootable let alone using any of the packaged software.

There is no offline mode in the military computers anymore thats a thing of the past. Signal forces updates whether you like it or not, good or bad timing or not.

Really if you don't like the tab, just sell it. Complaining on MR then talking about your epeen (iI've been on android longer than you) really isn't fixing the problem.
 
There is no offline mode in the military computers anymore thats a thing of the past. Signal forces updates whether you like it or not, good or bad timing or not.

You didn't work where I worked at. When operators are in the field do you really think that they always have reliable, secure, or fast Internet access?

Really if you don't like the tab, just sell it. Complaining on MR then talking about your epeen (iI've been on android longer than you) really isn't fixing the problem.

Because I used Android for a long time and know there are features that should also be in iOS. Would you rather bury your head in the sand?
 
You didn't work where I worked at. When operators are in the field do you really think that they always have reliable, secure, or fast Internet access?

Operators in the field are using specific pieces of equipment to specific things and they are updated before they leave home. Not relevant to stuff that sits on NIPR.



Because I used Android for a long time and know there are features that should also be in iOS. Would you rather bury your head in the sand?

We've all been round the block once or twice. You're not raising anything new or exciting when telling us how long you've used android.
 
Well no kidding... what exactly are you arguing about? If I knew then what I know now I would have made my job much easier.

You're comparing unlike things…

Very little operators take into the field have a true civilian counterpart, there's some stuff that close, but it isn't a $179 google tablet.

The better comparison is joe's work computer that hangs out on NIPR there are forced updates no matter non avoidable. Better even would be the CO's Blackberry IA/Signal updates it when they want or they shut it down.
 
You're comparing unlike things…

Very little operators take into the field have a true civilian counterpart, there's some stuff that close, but it isn't a $179 google tablet.

You mean like turning on a device and expecting it to boot without requiring a mandatory update? Furthermore, if price matters, a new Nexus 7 32GB tablet is just under $300 after taxes.
 
Operators in the field are using specific pieces of equipment to specific things and they are updated before they leave home. Not relevant to stuff that sits on NIPR.

I just got this image in my head of some random guy with a big Best Buy bag handing out boxed tablets with the cellophane still on them to a bunch of soldiers about to go out behind enemy lines.

"SIR! I WAS LED TO BELIEVE OUR PLATOON WAS TO RECIEVE IPAD MINIS FOR THIS OPERATION! UNLESS I AM MISTAKEN, THIS RECEIPT IS FOR 30 OF WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A GOOGLE NEXUS 7. CAN'T HAVE THE ENEMY BELIEVING WE'RE FANDROIDS, SIR. THE PLASTIC MATERIAL USED IN ITS CONSTRUCTION IS UNBECOMING OF AN ENLISTED MEMBER OF THE US NAVY"!
 
You mean like turning on a device and expecting it to boot without requiring a mandatory update? Furthermore, if price matters, a new Nexus 7 32GB tablet is just under $300 after taxes.

Price matters but again it's relative and in context and your moving goal posts again.

You no likey that that first boot of your tablet required an update, got it. See though you've been using Android since like '83 so we have no idea what we're talking about because you've been using it longer has nothing to do with you're argument.

I'm not a mega early adopter but when I booted my G1 up the first time it needed to apply updates, I don't know if they were TMo or Google but it had to happen before I set up my g-stuff to use it.


Here it is still functional today just like many other gadgets from the era..Everything works a different way just KCCO if you will
 

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Price matters but again it's relative and in context and your moving goal posts again.

You no likey that that first boot of your tablet required an update, got it. See though you've been using Android since like '83 so we have no idea what we're talking about because you've been using it longer has nothing to do with you're argument.

Where did I move the goal posts? You mentioned price, I didn't. As if that matters. You mentioned:

There is no offline mode in the military computers anymore thats a thing of the past. Signal forces updates whether you like it or not, good or bad timing or not.

Except some don't and I even gave you an example. Foot in mouth much?

I'm not a mega early adopter but when I booted my G1 up the first time it needed to apply updates, I don't know if they were TMo or Google but it had to happen before I set up my g-stuff to use it.

So? It wasn't right back then either.
 
Where did I move the goal posts? You mentioned price, I didn't. As if that matters. You mentioned:

We wen't talking about the new Nexus 7 now were we, we were talking about your old school nexus 7. "I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have" this expressly means that your not talking the new one so the price of the new one isn't relevant.

Except some don't and I even gave you an example. Foot in mouth much?

You gave example of things that don't need an update on first boot, but that doesn't make them correct it makes them different.

We wen't talking about the new Nexus 7 now were we, we were talking about your old school nexus 7. "I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have" this expressly means that your not talking the new one so the price of the new one isn't relevant.


So? It wasn't right back then either.

So shall I assume I've been using Android long enough to have an opinion? It's not right nor wrong it is. You don't like it but most of us don't care.

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I'd really like to go back and deal with the comparisons between operators in the field communications, and the Nexus 7. Back in the time that you were a sailor that you think shot down samcraigs argument. Your time playing footsie with operators is about as relevant to the modern IT word as it to my feet are.

Just say what you mean, I think it's silly to have to update a device to use it so I'll stick to Apple.
 
You gave example of things that don't need an update on first boot, but that doesn't make them correct it makes them different.

Of course that makes them different! That's the whole point.

We wen't talking about the new Nexus 7 now were we, we were talking about your old school nexus 7. "I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have" this expressly means that your not talking the new one so the price of the new one isn't relevant.

I was talking about my old school Nexus 7 in which post? I also own the old Nexus 7. You want to talk about that also? The old one has a different set of issues.

Just say what you mean, I think it's silly to have to update a device to use it so I'll stick to Apple.

Oh you mean like this?
 
I'd really like to go back and deal with the comparisons between operators in the field communications, and the Nexus 7. Back in the time that you were a sailor that you think shot down samcraigs argument. Your time playing footsie with operators is about as relevant to the modern IT word as it to my feet are.

I learned to have high standards and think about what the end user will see when booting a device. If you don't think that's relevant in the modern IT world you have low or no standards. Which is it?
 
Of course that makes them different! That's the whole point.



I was talking about my old school Nexus 7 in which post? I also own the old Nexus 7. You want to talk about that also? The old one has a different set of issues.

"I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have. I would have bought a iPad mini if not for the display". Post #645
Years would be ~1 year because it debuted in the States July of '12


Oh you mean like this?

This is a fist bump for people that called you out, I don't like fist bumps

I learned to have high standards and think about what the end user will see when booting a device. If you don't think that's relevant in the modern IT world you have low or no standards. Which is it?

High standards is a device that works properly when it "no kidding" matters sorta like those operators rifles and communications equipment. Being able to use a device OOTB with no updates needed is not a measure of high or low standards, it speaks to the speed of relevant updates and how long it sat in the supply chain only one is relevant to google or Android
 
How long have you been using Android? Not long I take it.

If it bothers you so much - one has to ask why you still use it.

I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have. I would have bought a iPad mini if not for the display.

Now go back to my post where I explained my initial experience on a Nexus 7. Android has its quirks, but guess what, so does iOS.

Calm down everyone hahaha... I'm trying to explain my initial setup experience on a new Nexus 7. Yes, I'm annoyed that there was a mandatory update that prevented even booting the device. No, it's not the end of the world. Yes, I already knew what I was getting into with Android --- Google ships first and updates later.

Yes, I'm applying probably high standards that I've gotten used to from using computers for the last 20 years. I'm not sorry for expecting a device to at least be able to boot right out of the box.

Yes, it's not that serious. :D

"I've used it off and on over the years which is probably much longer than you have. I would have bought a iPad mini if not for the display". Post #645
Years would be ~1 year because it debuted in the States July of '12

Hahaha... my post should have removed any doubt about what I was talking about. Also forum topic: Google Takes Aim at Apple with New Nexus 7, Google Play Games and Chromecast.


This is a fist bump for people that called you out, I don't like fist bumps

Who? You? I put you in your cubby hole.

High standards is a device that works properly when it "no kidding" matters sorta like those operators rifles and communications equipment. Being able to use a device OOTB with no updates needed is not a measure of high or low standards, it speaks to the speed of relevant updates and how long it sat in the supply chain only one is relevant to google or Android

Wow... so expecting a device to boot OOTB is now high standards?
 
The Chromcast bootloader has been hacked and apparently it runs a modified version of Google TV. It'll be interesting to see what kinds of things hackers are able to do with this.

Wow... so expecting a device to boot OOTB is now high standards?

I'm just curious, but exactly what device gave you a mandatory update and didn't allow you to skip WiFi? In my 4 years of using Android, I've never experienced that. From Eclair to Honeycomb to Jelly Bean I was always able to skip through every menu and get to the home screen without setting up WiFi or any Google/other accounts.

And is that really the god-awful Android experience you were talking about?

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I'm just curious, but exactly what device gave you a mandatory update and didn't allow you to skip WiFi? In my 4 years of using Android, I've never experienced that. From Eclair to Honeycomb to Jelly Bean I was always able to skip through every menu and get to the home screen without setting up WiFi or any Google/other accounts.

New Nexus 7. No on bothered to ask me what I was doing or why I would complain when eventually it would be connected to wif anyway. During its first boot I couldn't skip the WiFi prompt. I walked around until I found a faint wifi signal from Starbucks. Just enough for it to connect and to prompt me with a small update. No skipping that. This update stated that it would delete settings.

I went to see my movie and when I got home I downloaded the first update. During the second boot I again saw the wifi prompt along with being asked to log in with my Google account and setting up location services. I don't remember if I could skip the second wifi prompt. The second update didn't bother me because I could choose when to update.

And is that really the god-awful Android experience you were talking about?

I was only commenting about the initial setup. I ended my post by saying:

I wonder how did this "experience" get through testing? Imagine buying a laptop and not being able to immediately use it?

I already knew what I was getting into. Google ships first and fixing the mess later.

I never got a chance to talk about actually using it. I'm shocked at how well Chrome runs. Chrome was terrible on the original Nexus 7 after launch and even months afterward. There are some websites that it just couldn't render properly. Basically, web page scrolling would stutter for no apparent reason, even on web pages that didn't look complex. I looked for a solution and other owners were wondering how can Google ship Chrome in that state. To make matters worse, Google didn't include the Android Browser, which users discovered performed much, much better than Chrome. Eventually, I kinda stopped caring because I knew I could use other browsers, even if I don't like the alternatives.

My old Nexus 7's performance kinda slowly tanked since I've owned it. The new version has much better flash performance which should help keep it feeling fast.
 
You people are strange.

If the iPad mini retina had two updates out of the box, both for iOS7, 7.1 let's say, this place would erupt in joy and elation.

Because Android updated to 4.3 out of the box, it's somehow an IT nightmare.

Get a grip folks. It's okay to be jealous.
 
Show me this PC that required an update to boot.
I bought an Acer Aspire One Netbook a few years back. on First boot, before I could even interact with the OS, the PC took 45 minutes of updating and installing it's bloatware. Then, and only then was the computer interactive.

it's not completely unheard of by 3rd party manufacturers such as Acer or Dell to have a brief pause as such.


All manufacturers handle this process differently.

For example: my Note II upon initial configuration. you know, the link your google part... did NOT in fact require me to update right away before use.

only after i connected, was online, and able to use my device did a notification pop up saying there was a system update.

if this was an Android specific user experience you are referencing, than you'd be correct. But it's not. It's a wholly vendor provided experience.

But lets be honest.

if on first initial use, where you're likely sitting in your office or at home on the couch, playing with your shiny for the first time when taking it out of the box, and you cant spare the 5 minutes for initial setup and updates, you have other serious attention span issues.

Never mind the fact that Apple isn't some wonderfully perfect experience either. who doesn't remember opening their wonderfull new iOS device only to be greeted with "please connect to a PC" where you have to have iTunes setup, with an iTunes account already created and registered, where it in fact, did force you to connect and update.

but no. When Apple does it, it's "amazing user experience and to give you the best experience ever!" but when Android does it it's "the worst thing ever that delays me from using my device for 5 hole minutes, how dare they evil scum of the earth!"
 
This has probably been mentioned but in my skimming of 21 pages I didn't see anything mentioning this Chromecast fact:

No battery drain or processing on your mobile device!

What is intriguing about the Chromecast to me is the fact that it does, in fact, take the command from the mobile device and then streams it from the cloud or web directly. While it seems everyone understands that aspect - I'm surprised more here are not excited by the fact that it will free up your mobile device from any battery usage. With AirPlay, you are mirroring the mobile device and content is still streaming to the device. If I want to watch a Netflix movie and launch it from my phone, for example, with CC I can just forward it over to the adaptor and it completely frees up my phone. With AirPlay the movie is running on my phone for 2 hours.

Am I understanding this right?!?

You misunderstand how ATV works, at least with Netflix. I use the ATV remote application on my iPhone to tell the ATV to stream the Netflix item I want to watch then close the app. The movie (TV show, whatever) streams directly from Netflix to the ATV.
 
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