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Hell no. I don't trust Google further than I can throw 'em.

Google went from "Don't be Evil" to Big Brother extraordinaire.

But what makes you think Apple doesn't share the data that it collects on you with its partners?
 
Right...and Apple never shares the data it collects on you with its partners right? :rolleyes:

It's not really comparable. Google is explicit that they are collecting and storing personal data so that they can monetize it. Apple, especially after some of its data controversies of the past couple years has stated it only shares data in the aggregate and not personal to anyone.

Apple also said it encrypts Maps and Siri searches and iMessages and does not store those searches or messages. This is in contrast to Google scanning every piece of Gmail for keywords to sell each user to the right advertiser.
 
Shameless Copycats!
Google is The New Xerox

A copy is never better than its original

So painfully ignorant that it burns. :rolleyes: You might want to brush up on your computer history before trying to put down someone by insuating a lack of originality by comparing them to Xerox.
 
Google's already trying to counter the negative buzz surrounding Nest since it was purchased by them (with profile and interview of fadell this week.)

I'm not sure how google is going to counter its image of intimately spying on its users such that its health spying products will overcome the unavoidable suspicion of explorative intrusion.
 
Why is it a after thought for google every time ? Can't they come up with something original ? Freaking Copycats!!!

I really hate google for this (copying) i would stop using google search if i had a choice. Though i do like them as an Engineering company, but there marketing is just screwed up .. they are always the followers at what Apple makes. There marketing team should understand that Engineering is not just about a "me-too" product, it is about revolutionising the tech space.

Half of there (googles/Samsung) products are Apples Rumour Products, as if they always wanna make junk products just to say "Yup we were the first". Come on Samsung/Google grow-up.

You mean Google being into mapping for years and then Apple brought out some maps?

I have to laugh, you have Google Earth, they are trying to offer WiFi around the world via many many balloons high up, investing in start up satellite company for better mapping, creating driver-less cars.

Whilst Apple adjusts the look of their icons, or fits a slightly quicker CPU from Intel or a SSD drive made by Samsung, or make a round case to put other companies components in for it's high end computer.
Oh and of course, built a round office or some glass shops.

Google are MILES beyond Apple

http://youtu.be/CqSDWoAhvLU

http://youtu.be/mcw6j-QWGMo

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/google-buying-skybox-satellite-firm-boost-maps/#!YrZfx

Apple is just fiddling trying to make as much cash for itself, it's not actually DOING anything of any significance on any scale
 
It's not really comparable. Google is explicit that they are collecting and storing personal data so that they can monetize it. Apple, especially after some of its data controversies of the past couple years has stated it only shares data in the aggregate and not personal to anyone.

Apple also said it encrypts Maps and Siri searches and iMessages and does not store those searches or messages. This is in contrast to Google scanning every piece of Gmail for keywords to sell each user to the right advertiser.

Have you read the iOS TOS? No? Well, let me help you out.

Here's an excerpt from the iOS 7.0 SLA...and while it's related to Location Data, it clearly demonstrates Apple's intent on using your info with its "partners":
"Apple and its partners, licensees and third party developers may provide certain services through your iOS Device that rely upon location information...By using any location-based services on your iOS Device, you agree and consent to Apple's and its partners', licensees' and third party developers’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing and use of your location data and queries to provide and improve such products and services."

Apple isn't the "angel" corporation that you think it is (or perhaps you willfully choose to believe and wish it is).
 
Hell no. I don't trust Google further than I can throw 'em.

Google went from "Don't be Evil" to Big Brother extraordinaire.

There is no reason to trust Apple, MS etc. either. They all have your data and can do nasty things with it if they want.
 
It's not really comparable. Google is explicit that they are collecting and storing personal data so that they can monetize it. Apple, especially after some of its data controversies of the past couple years has stated it only shares data in the aggregate and not personal to anyone.

Apple also said it encrypts Maps and Siri searches and iMessages and does not store those searches or messages. This is in contrast to Google scanning every piece of Gmail for keywords to sell each user to the right advertiser.

Not technically true. Google does collect what you say they collect, but they don't sell your personal data anymore than any other company.

They do the same thing Apple does. They use it to form aggregate data to sell targeted ad space to their users.

Google has also announced that they will be providing front to back SSL encryption for All their services.

If Google were selling your personalized data to 3rd parties, they would be tarred and feathered up here in Canada, where it is explicitly against the law to do so, with punishments as high as jail time for offending companies executives. Facebook a few years ago was dragged in front of a parliamentary committee and told that they had to fix their privacy issues or face legal action and banning in Canada.

don't buy into the FUD about googles evil. They're a corporation. Just like Apple. They all do similar activities. Just on different scales. Where google's primary business is their aggregate data sales and marketting, Apples is consumer hardware. They both still participate in it.
 
Who is copying who is a pointless exercise...

The writer of Ecclesiastes wrote about this thousands of years ago:

Ecclesiastes 1:9

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done, is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun."
 
No. The dots don't connect for me either.

Anybody that has ever had a heart arrhythmia or pulmonary function issues would probably beg to differ.

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Anybody that has ever had a heart arrhythmia or pulmonary function issues would probably beg to differ.

Once there are a large number of wearables picking up a large variety of data, enough to build large statistically based databases, we will start to learn some of our current conventional medical wisdom is wrong.
 
Shameless Copycats!
Google is The New Xerox

A copy is never better than its original

??

Wasn't Apples version of the MP3 player superior to those that made them first?

Didn't Apple make a smartphone, which many other companies were already making, but they did it better?

etc, etc.

I thought the motto was, others can be first (original), Apple will do it better.
 
Anybody that has ever had a heart arrhythmia or pulmonary function issues would probably beg to differ.


Nothing says "I need to get healthy and my life back on track" like having to get rushed to the hospital cause your heart suddenly isn't doing what its' apparently supposed to do.

I know.

scary. so, absolutely, Terrifying.
 
I have to laugh, you have Google Earth, they are trying to offer WiFi around the world via many many balloons high up, investing in start up satellite company for better mapping, creating driver-less cars.

Whilst Apple adjusts the look of their icons, or fits a slightly quicker CPU from Intel or a SSD drive made by Samsung, or make a round case to put other companies components in for it's high end computer.
Oh and of course, built a round office or some glass shops.

Google are MILES beyond Apple

Apple is just fiddling trying to make as much cash for itself, it's not actually DOING anything of any significance on any scale

I do not understand criticizing Apple for constantly refining its products. Many people use all these products for a purpose. The have to get work done with them. No product is "perfect"... there can always be improvement. I need a company that makes a product, and I know that they will continue to support, and improve it. Obsession to perfection. I do NOT want a company that throws a ton of products at the wall to see what sticks... and has already moved on to other stuff and forgotten them a month later.
And Android Operating System. Why tout all its features, when it is dead on arrival. If you buy a phone, done expect to easily upgrade it to any new version of the OS. How many Android users are on the newest version? Not many. I run a business, and rely on the apps and tech. I will always choose the company that is constantly refining... as trivial as you might think that is. Because if I find a flaw in the software, i can be confident Apple is working on a fix (instead of making driverless cars or whatever.
 
Anybody that has ever had a heart arrhythmia or pulmonary function issues would probably beg to differ.


Hi Robert.Walter,

I understand the importance of accurate health monitoring for persons with clinical issues. That is best left to the health providers IMHO.

Monitoring and recording of health related data by general consumer companies has a potential for abuse. A danger for inaccurate recording and interpretation is there as well.

The products may sell well to the general public. Weight Watchers is hugely successful. It boils down to more energy expended than taken in =weight loss. Some people need the group support approach. Others can manage on their own.

Cardiac and/or pulmonary issues are serious business. No way I would leave that to Jony Ive.

To each his own.
 
Have you read the iOS TOS? No? Well, let me help you out.

Here's an excerpt from the iOS 7.0 SLA...and while it's related to Location Data, it clearly demonstrates Apple's intent on using your info with its "partners":
"Apple and its partners, licensees and third party developers may provide certain services through your iOS Device that rely upon location information...By using any location-based services on your iOS Device, you agree and consent to Apple's and its partners', licensees' and third party developers’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing and use of your location data and queries to provide and improve such products and services."

Apple isn't the "angel" corporation that you think it is (or perhaps you willfully choose to believe and wish it is).

1) You do a poor Nostradamus. I challenge you to show me where I've ever explicitly or implictly said on these pages that Apple was an "angel" corporation. Apple is a company, not a church, a charity, or co-op. Sorry to bust your convenient story line by pegging me as, by implication of your statement, a fan boy.

2) The SLA you quote is necessary for location service type apps to work, not to sell Starbucks information that you like to visit Pete's Coffee. Big difference between that and what Google does. Apple's own iAds works off of aggregated data, not personal data. Apple has stated in its privacy policy it does not sell personal data. Period.

I think you need to read Apple's Privacy Policy before you say anything more.
 
Come on people. None of these companies just decided to work on this yesterday. The health industry is the next big industry. Everyone knows that.

Let's just hope somebody gets this right. I'm in my 50's, health conscious and I would love a solution that puts this all together so I can focus on being healthy and not administrating it.

Of course, I would love to see Apple nail it. But most of us can agree that everyone focusing on it will only make it better and happen sooner.
 
Am I the only one who finds this entire area (health apps, fitness wearables) silly and pointless beyond belief?

I love my Nike + app and running with my iPhone. I can look back at my running history and see trends in my workout routine. I would love to also see heart rate info to help track fitness progress, or regression :( .

There are all kinds of possibilities to help people track or understand their activity. This can help people with certain health conditions to monitor their current situation. Imagine if there was a sensor that could detect when someone who suffers from seizures was about to have one. Something that taps into brainwaves or whatever might be a measure of an incoming seizure. Use the wearable, carry your phone, get an alert 1 minute before you go into a seizure and you have the opportunity to pull a car over, alert someone, call for help, whatever.

Pointless? Far from it. Just take a moment and think about the possibilities.
 
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